VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Stan5851]

Tess tells us who grym gunida is. Even if the second meeting with pat could be explained away. The fact that Pat is meeting with her in secret can't.
As for the votes, I assume it's for the gambit. If it was just for the person, the queen wouldn't be talking about Elena possibly getting what she wants since what Elena wants wouldn't be any of the sisters not named olivia winning it.
Alessandra's not supporting Olivia, the only person currently supporting Olivia other than Elena is Veronica and I believe that's only because she's supporting Kane and what he wants.

I agree with the bulk of your post, but I would argue with the last point (about Alessandra not supporting Olivia). The game openly states (on Alessa's behalf) that Olivia's success so far is completely satisfactory to Alessandra, but she still needs to be looked after.(I'm quoting from memory and if I find this render/dialogue I'll post it here, but the gist of it is this). I think Alessandra, as a seasoned schemer and player, doesn't put everything on zero (and doesn't put all her eggs in one basket).

She has several ways to come to power over the company, and Olivia's loyalty and friendship is one of them. Hardly anyone would argue with the fact that Alessandra treated Olivia far more sweetly and warmly than any of the sisters from the start, while trying to make Olivia feel as at ease/comfortable as possible.. And Olivia appreciated that. Another thing is that our agent Olivia is no less a professional player than Alessandra (except that sisters don't know it yet), and I think she realizes that Alessa is a wolf in sheep's clothing, just like most of the other sisters (well, maybe except Veronica and Astrid).

Spoiler: Besides, we have this.

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This dialog (among other facts mentioned earlier in this thread) is another additional confirmation that Alessandra is GrymGydinna. Note that impartial and honest Veronica, who has absolutely unquestionable authority, in the justice of which even Juliette believes, secretly from Dominique, Elena and Juliette (and all others) organizes (with Alessandra) additional secret surveillance.

This turn of events suggests that Alessa, too, has a number of responsibilities (albeit not as colossal as Veronica's) to fulfill Gambit's basic conditions. Responsibilities that she does not yet have the power to relinquish, even despite her own desire for power. As we know, the GambitQueen has something without which the completion of Gambit is impossible, so Callista has all interested parties "firmly by the balls" anyway.

So it all adds up, and we have 2 responsible sisters who communicate directly with the Gambit Queen, do their part, and know much more than the other Gambit participants. So yes, I still believe that Alessa is the GrymGydinna.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Sorry...I mistyped my own damn post lol...duhh...been a long day,...

I meant for Kane alone..not Olivia. Those three (Yvette, V and Dom) are actively looking to honour ole Alexanders wish of a male heir on the throne. So those three are definitely voting for Kane/sister to take over...Which sister exactly...remains to be seen, but in that particular power play, we have to assume Dominique.

However, once again, it does beg the question of Calista's motivations (given she trained Olivia)...and part in the gambit...or is Calista actively pushing for a Kane on the throne plot and just using the well trained and intelligent Olivia as the wildcard to disrupt the other sisters?

Too many damn questions as always lol.

I believe Alessandra would be more likely to honor her father than Dominique. If not for the Elena stuff, I imagine that the 3 would be Alessandra Veronica and whichever girl Kane chooses, but that can't be it. I will probably have to pause speculating on that vote until I find out what the vote is for and who the seventh vote is ( I assume it's Astrid, but I'm not confident in saying that). Especially now that Elena has stepped down and Olivia is replacing her.

Callista is as mysterious as when the game first began. Hell, at this point, I'm not even sure that Seth is her kid anymore. I still wonder what deal she made with Alexander that allowed her to escape. Hopefully, a lot of this stuff gets addressed in the next few updates.
I'll give Tess this: she's great at world-building.

 

[Maviarab]

I agree with the bulk of your post, but I would argue with the last point (about Alessandra not supporting Olivia). The game openly states (on Alessa's behalf) that Olivia's success so far is completely satisfactory to Alessandra, but she still needs to be looked after.(I'm quoting from memory and if I find this render/dialogue I'll post it here, but the gist of it is this). I think Alessandra, as a seasoned schemer and player, doesn't put everything on zero (and doesn't put all her eggs in one basket).

She has several ways to come to power over the company, and Olivia's loyalty and friendship is one of them. Hardly anyone would argue with the fact that Alessandra treated Olivia far more sweetly and warmly than any of the sisters from the start, while trying to make Olivia feel as at ease/comfortable as possible.. And Olivia appreciated that. Another thing is that our agent Olivia is no less a professional player than Alessandra (except that sisters don't know it yet), and I think she realizes that Alessa is a wolf in sheep's clothing, just like most of the other sisters (well, maybe except Veronica and Astrid).
This dialog (among other facts mentioned earlier in this thread) is another additional confirmation that Alessandra is GrymGydinna. Note that impartial and honest Veronica, who has absolutely unquestionable authority, in the justice of which even Juliette believes, secretly from Dominique, Elena and Juliette (and all others) organizes additional secret surveillance.

This turn of events suggests that Alessa, too, has a number of responsibilities (albeit not as colossal as Veronica's) to fulfill Gambit's basic conditions. Responsibilities that she does not yet have the power to relinquish, even despite her own desire for power. As we know, the GambitQueen has something without which the completion of Gambit is impossible, so Callista has all interested parties "firmly by the balls" anyway.

So it all adds up, and we have 2 responsible sisters who communicate directly with the Gambit Queen, do their part, and know much more than the other Gambit participants. So yes, I still believe that Alessa is the GrymGydinna.

Hmm....hmmm....and hmmm again....

I will probably have to pause speculating on that vote until I find out what the vote is for and who the seventh vote is ( I assume it's Astrid, but I'm not confident in saying that). Especially now that Elena has stepped down and Olivia is replacing her.

Yeah...does Elena stepping down means she loses a vote? One would assume so...if she is no longer on the board? *shrugs*. Also yes the 7th vote...curiouser and curiouser. We have 5 sisters...Yvette....aaaannnnnd.....(does Elena keep a vote????)

Callista is as mysterious as when the game first began. Hell, at this point, I'm not even sure that Seth is her kid anymore. I still wonder what deal she made with Alexander that allowed her to escape.

Hhe...interesting POV but entirely possible at this point I agree. Not somewhere I've gone before but hell, who knows. As for her deal, again...*shrugs*...

I'll give Tess this: she's great at world-building.

I think that is something concrete all of us here can at least agree on, second to none.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I agree with the bulk of your post, but I would argue with the last point (about Alessandra not supporting Olivia). The game openly states (on Alessa's behalf) that Olivia's success so far is completely satisfactory to Alessandra, but she still needs to be looked after.(I'm quoting from memory and if I find this render/dialogue I'll post it here, but the gist of it is this). I think Alessandra, as a seasoned schemer and player, doesn't put everything on zero (and doesn't put all her eggs in one basket).

She has several ways to come to power over the company, and Olivia's loyalty and friendship is one of them. Hardly anyone would argue with the fact that Alessandra treated Olivia far more sweetly and warmly than any of the sisters from the start, while trying to make Olivia feel as at ease/comfortable as possible.. And Olivia appreciated that. Another thing is that our agent Olivia is no less a professional player than Alessandra (except that sisters don't know it yet), and I think she realizes that Alessa is a wolf in sheep's clothing, just like most of the other sisters (well, maybe except Veronica and Astrid).

Spoiler: Besides, we have this.

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This dialog (among other facts mentioned earlier in this thread) is another additional confirmation that Alessandra is GrymGydinna. Note that impartial and honest Veronica, who has absolutely unquestionable authority, in the justice of which even Juliette believes, secretly from Dominique, Elena and Juliette (and all others) organizes additional secret surveillance.

This turn of events suggests that Alessa, too, has a number of responsibilities (albeit not as colossal as Veronica's) to fulfill Gambit's basic conditions. Responsibilities that she does not yet have the power to relinquish, even despite her own desire for power. As we know, the GambitQueen has something without which the completion of Gambit is impossible, so Callista has all interested parties "firmly by the balls" anyway.

So it all adds up, and we have 2 responsible sisters who communicate directly with the Gambit Queen, do their part, and know much more than the other Gambit participants. So yes, I still believe that Alessa is the GrymGydinna.

I'm inclined to agree with you about Alessandra; her words and actions seem to agree with her supporting Olivia. However, scenes like this, where she seems to be trying to turn Kane against Olivia, throw me off.

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[Maviarab]

I'm inclined to agree with you about Alessandra; her words and actions seem to agree with her supporting Olivia. However, scenes like this, where she seems to be trying to turn Kane against Olivia, that throw me off.

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Hehehe...because as Stan stated (and we are very well aware of)...Alessendra is a snake in the grass, a very slippery deadly one at that. 100% cannot be trusted, even if on her path imo. I'm still sure she is just using Olivia for her own agenda/gains, she is 'too' nice to her. (however, hopefully, Olivia is well aware of this and just going along with her....almost in a way doing/being a reverse Alessandra to her lol).

 

[Stan5851]

Callista is as mysterious as when the game first began. Hell, at this point, I'm not even sure that Seth is her kid anymore. I still wonder what deal she made with Alexander that allowed her to escape. Hopefully, a lot of this stuff gets addressed in the next few updates.
I'll give Tess this: she's great at world-building.

This is right on point! The only thing I can add to that is that I would love to read the very book that Tess once wrote (which has nothing to do with her game universe), but which we still don't know the title of. Knowing Tess's talents, I'm sure it would be a fascinating read.)

 

[PickerLewd]

The seventh vote may be the guy who is working on a place that looks like the surface of the moon, I think he is one of the original founders just he didn't reproduce as much as Alexander "The Rabbit" .

 

[Maviarab]

This is right on point! The only thing I can add to that is that I would love to read the very book that Tess once wrote (which has nothing to do with her game universe), but which we still don't know the title of. Knowing Tess's talents, I'm sure it would be a fascinating read.)

Oh definitely, would also love to read.

The seventh vote may be the guy who is working on a place that looks like the surface of the moon, I think he is one of the original founders just he didn't reproduce as much as Alexander "The Rabbit" .

While an interesting theory, I can't see it. He isn't a board member and also, only Dominique knows he is alive (that we are aware of currently). It is interesting however that none of his actual family seem to really mention/care/be aware of his whereabouts.

 

[Sharpshooter890]

Yeah...does Elena stepping down means she loses a vote? One would assume so...if she is no longer on the board? *shrugs*. Also yes the 7th vote...curiouser and curiouser. We have 5 sisters...Yvette....aaaannnnnd.....(does Elena keep a vote????)

I have no proof, but I'm still 100% certain it's Cole. He is the 7th member, exiled, but still on the Board.

 

[Maviarab]

I have no proof, but I'm still 100% certain it's Cole. He is the 7th member, exiled, but still on the Board.

But would Alexander keep him on the board? While entirely possible, I just don't see that happening.

 

[Stan5851]

I'm inclined to agree with you about Alessandra; her words and actions seem to agree with her supporting Olivia. However, scenes like this, where she seems to be trying to turn Kane against Olivia, throw me off.

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We know that Alessandra is a very clever and skillful schemer. I think this dialog with Kane is a classic example of the power structure principle of "divide and conquer"(divide et impera). A tactic (often covert) of creating, amplifying and exploiting contradictions, differences or disagreements between two or more parties in order to control them. Often used by a weaker minority to control the majority.

 

[Sharpshooter890]

But would Alexander keep him on the board? While entirely possible, I just don't see that happening.

Because Alexander is described as a cruel man, not a stupid one. And Cole is apparently the best botanist on the planet, as well as a DeKock. You just don't throw away resourses like that, you keep them on a short leash for future use.

 

[Maviarab]

Because Alexander is described as a cruel man, not a stupid one. And Cole is apparently the best botanist on the planet, as well as a DeKock. You just don't throw away resourses like that, you keep them on a short leash for future use.

Hmmm....fair points...fair points....

That only leads me back to the board room conversation/meeting with Olivia though. Unless I'm misrembering, when Uvette mentions the missing member, there seems to be a palpable thivkness in the air and with the rest...over it. Like (to me, the impression I got) is they know where/why (which is why I assumed the seventh was Astrid...Elana was still a board member then).

Yet only Dominique knows about his fate/where he is....(specifically and importantly, not even V who would be the most use to him).

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I have no proof, but I'm still 100% certain it's Cole. He is the 7th member, exiled, but still on the Board.

This and the fact that Cole thinks Callista is gone pretty much debunks that theory

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[Stan5851]

Hmmm....fair points...fair points....

That only leads me back to the board room conversation/meeting with Olivia though. Unless I'm misrembering, when Uvette mentions the missing member, there seems to be a palpable thivkness in the air and with the rest...over it. Like (to me, the impression I got) is they know where/why (which is why I assumed the seventh was Astrid...Elana was still a board member then).

Yet only Dominique knows about his fate/where he is....(specifically and importantly, not even V who would be the most use to him).

Yes, I too think the 7th council member is Astrid, and what you described fits into the logic of what's going on and the timeline. As for Dominique and Cole's relationship, I somehow feel like Veronica may very well know about these conversations, we just haven't been shown that yet. I'm guessing that what Cole is doing may well be part of Veronica and Dom's overall secret project to revitalize life (restore flora and fauna) on the mainland. In which case, why would Dominique hide Cole's botanical research from Veronica? Hmmm...

Sure, we can assume that Dom and Cole have a personal secret arrangement, but what could it be? Dominique passing off Cole's accomplishments (research) as her own? Well, that's pretty ridiculous and childish... Some sort of secret partnership in exchange for Cole's future release (forgiveness) by the Board? I'm not sure...And as we can see, the Board blames Cole for a lot of trouble..(they still blame you a lot for our companies being at such odd). So I doubt Dom alone can help Cole make peace with the Board...Anyway, as usual, more questions than answers..

 

[Maviarab]

Anyway, as usual, more questions than answers..

Hahaha indeed...annoying yet oddly satisfying and fun to try and pick at them and see what we can try and figure out.

 

[Stan5851]

Wow, the thread got resuscitated after the arrival of Tess. Lots of activity.

Stan5851 For that highly controversial scene with Veronica, I've always believed this was a carefully constructed play.

If you look closely at the renders, you will see a slave hearing Veronica's shoe drop and then going to lick her foot. That wouldn't be possible if they were deaf. And it was her mother saying that they were deaf. I think it is because she wanted Elena to believe they were in a safe environment so Elena would speak openly. And it was one of these slaves who later leaked the information of V supporting Olivia to Dominique. And this was all part of Veronica's plan- her way of testing Olivia, whether she can tackle the dual assault of Dominique+Juliette.

But now that Tess is here, we can get this cleared once and for all.

Did the "hearing loss" situation become clearer to you after Tess' response?
For me, no.. I think it's gotten more confusing, hehe. And now the question of why Vi lied to her mother has really come up (as MilesEdgeworth rightly pointed out.). And if in regards to Elena you explained the possible logic of what's going on, now we have Yvette as well. At least, if Veronica really would have deafened all her servants, there would be no point in giving such an ornate answer to such a simple question, right?) Uff..We need Sherlock Holmes, or better yet, TessSadist, back from the office.

 

[Sick Bubblegum]

It was already posted and also maybe you should put a spoiler tag on this pictures? YW

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[drdiver3]

So to leak a game without getting caught, you need to be smart? Didn't expect this from you actually.

Your words means nothing on f95 or any other pirate site actually, the first to leak a game is always a hero. I don't get it myself but it is what it is and your effort will be fruitless to the point that even your game's hardcore fans will enjoy it in a hiding or openly.

Crazy people tends to say that others are crazy, for a hard working Dev, you sure waste too much of your time saying that "I am a hardworking dev", while most hardworking people tends to be humble.
Also it's been 9 months since the previous release what are you "hard" working on?


Thanks, btw who are you?

Don't you have anything better to do than harassing someone who has been more successful in life than you?

 

[Mr. Chatty]

Don't you have anything better to do than harassing someone who has been more successful in life than you?

Lol you presume too much, and those weren't harrassments rather facts, if you think it's harrassment, it's on you.

Why did the developer stop visiting here with her official account? I think she just used this site to popularize her game. She now earns in excess of 5,000 dollars a month. It all seems so unfair, just look at the membership levels on her Patreon page. People are ready to literally throw money at her for nothing, and she still shows petty behavior like taking down the links to the test version. Why not just let us poor people enjoy the game? What a money-grubbing bitch!

Turns out Dev is also a blackmailer but she backed out from it as soon as I called her out for it.

I've taken the unusual step of signing back in -- I can't stop leaks and have been generally ok with them but I just want to be sure that people understand ahead of time that if I shift to Anais' game very soon in the future and let this go -- who specifically was most responsible for this decision. I hope all are doing well!