VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[SonsOfLiberty]

I have updated my compressed post from A final to B final. I will add the rest of the mirrors upon my return

 

[Sharpshooter890]

So which will be more brutal the Karlsson civil war or the possible dekock civil war? hmmm?

It's not really a civil war if you take all the power and kill all who oppose you.

 

[PickerLewd]

Data taken from the table by Maviarab:

Episodes	Renders
Season 1 (Episodes 1-2-3-4-5-6-7)	13,695
Season 2 (Episode 8 Part 2/3)	8,312

Tess has 5,383 renders left to equal the whole of Season 1, hopefully enough to finish Part 3 and that's it.

At this rate, Season 2 might only be Episode 8, and from Episode 9 onwards she'll have to release a Season 3 to keep things from getting out of hand.

 

[Stan5851]

It's not really a civil war if you take all the power and kill all who oppose you.

To be fair, no one has seized power yet, and so far there are only "intentions of the parties". And those "parties" that really claim this power, by and large, are the legal heirs of the one who handed this power into their hands...So I would probably call it a struggle for their own legitimization as the "sole" heir to the empire...Of course, all sorts of jackals like New Paris also hope to get their piece, but they are just hyenas among lions figuring out their relations.

 

[Maviarab]

Data taken from the table by Maviarab:

Episodes	Renders
Season 1 (Episodes 1-2-3-4-5-6-7)	13,695
Season 2 (Episode 8 Part 2/3)	8,312

Tess has 5,383 renders left to equal the whole of Season 1, hopefully enough to finish Part 3 and that's it.

At this rate, Season 2 might only be Episode 8, and from Episode 9 onwards she'll have to release a Season 3 to keep things from getting out of hand.

I have no doubt it will be split again after the game show is concluded (originally was split for file size but it was a good point in the story to do it looking ahead to the future).

Also, to wind Stan5851 up, as going through 8 part 1 again on a few saves...I remembered this, about his darling Lawful Good Veronica *giggles*

kk2 "Veronica's basically created a way to turn someone like her into a nice...battery."
kk2 "When she's fully charged so to speak...her body is then shocked into almost a comatose state."
     scene e8dgsp28 with mediumdissolve
kk2 "After that, she's lowered beneath our room here and her body is then used as a source of power and...food."
ec "That's enough Kat on the specifics. Suffice to say [pname], she dies and then is used to help our plants."

40.....to 50 a month....as plant food....something she developed...Chaotic Neutral more like lol.

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After all that....let's have some Eloise...just because

 

[PickerLewd]

40.....to 50 a month....as plant food....something she developed...Chaotic Neutral more like lol.

Hey Stan, I couldn't quite remember the definition of Chaotic Neutral alignment, so I had to dust off Baldur's Gate 1 after a decade.

Spoiler: Definition

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Mav says Veronica is a lunatic, so yeah, now you guys FIGHT! .

 

[Stan5851]

I have no doubt it will be split again after the game show is concluded (originally was split for file size but it was a good point in the story to do it looking ahead to the future).

Also, to wind Stan5851 up, as going through 8 part 1 again on a few saves...I remembered this, about his darling Lawful Good Veronica *giggles*

kk2 "Veronica's basically created a way to turn someone like her into a nice...battery."
kk2 "When she's fully charged so to speak...her body is then shocked into almost a comatose state."
     scene e8dgsp28 with mediumdissolve
kk2 "After that, she's lowered beneath our room here and her body is then used as a source of power and...food."
ec "That's enough Kat on the specifics. Suffice to say [pname], she dies and then is used to help our plants."

40.....to 50 a month....as plant food....something she developed...Chaotic Neutral more like lol.

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After all that....let's have some Eloise...just because

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Mav, I never claimed that Veronica is the standard of kindness and morality... It's just that, unlike some other sisters, V has completely different priorities, not killing slaves for the sake of murder and orgasm, not her own hedonism, but higher goals, related to saving the world... Yes, her methods are sometimes cruel, but this is the way of the world, where there are no more nuclear power plants or fusion and where energy for existence, sometimes, have to be extracted even by such barbaric methods.

If you ask me, what about her sexual inventions (like strong aphrodisiacs and pain enhancers), which she made for her sisters and stuff, I have already expressed my opinion about it and I think you have seen it, so now I won't focus on it. Anyway, who can know their character better than the person who created it? So I think that in this case (as in all other cases where we find it hard to compromise) we should be guided by what Tess herself says about Veronica or any other character.

Spoiler: Tess about V

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[Stan5851]

Hey Stan, I couldn't quite remember the definition of Chaotic Neutral alignment, so I had to dust off Baldur's Gate 1 after a decade.

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Mav says Veronica is a lunatic, so yeah, now you guys FIGHT! .

Tess herself, among other descriptions of Veronica's character, describes her as "Lawful Neutral". Could you show a screenshot with a description of this personality type (according to the BD1 creators)?

 

[Maviarab]

according to the BD1 creators

It was D&D 2.5...Bioware just used the ruleset.

it however, has not changed much over the years regarding alignment.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Best part about the Anais game? Veronica's long gone. Hopefully her type is unique to KG.

 

[jadepaladin]

Lawful Neutral is adhering to some set of guidelines, codes, or laws and being completely unbending about it. It can, and typically is, associated with a personal code, such as honor. Evil or good do not factor into their decisions. They tend to be respectful to others based on their position in society. I think it fits Veronica without being a perfect fit, as is often the case with alignments.

 

[Stan5851]

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It was D&D 2.5...Bioware just used the ruleset.

it however, has not changed much over the years regarding alignment.

I won't argue since my practical 'knowledge' of D&D is limited to 'The Big Bang Theory' series and PC games like BD I-III.

 

[PickerLewd]

Tess herself, among other descriptions of Veronica's character, describes her as "Lawful Neutral". Could you show a screenshot with a description of this personality type (according to the BD1 creators)?

Here you have it :

Spoiler: Lawful Neutral

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As Mav rightly says, these are the old definitions from the second edition, and the game is from 1998.

 

[motseer]

Here you have it :

Spoiler: Lawful Neutral

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As Mav rightly says, these are the old definitions from the second edition, and the game is from 1998.

As an abbreviated version of this definition, one could simply say, "Veronica."

 

[Stan5851]

Best part about the Anais game? Veronica's long gone. Hopefully her type is unique to KG.

I don't know about how much attention will be paid to V in Anais' game, but if we're talking about the KG universe as a whole (which, as I understand it, is almost 600 pages of text written by Tess), Veronica is one of the key characters there.

In my entire giant lore of seven connected games in my head, Veronica Karlsson is a giant figure that impacts way beyond KG.

So if these hypothetical games ever come out, who knows, maybe V will show up there as well..

 

[PickerLewd]

And the Wiki has some examples of characters for each alignment (I don't know if this is right):

Lawful Good: Batman, Dick Tracy and Indiana Jones.
Neutral Good: El Zorro and Spiderman.
Chaotic Good: Robin Hood and Malcolm Reynolds.
Lawful Neutral: James Bond, Odysseus and Sanjuro from Yojimbo film.
True Neutral: Animals, Lara Croft, Han Solo (70's Movies) and Lucy Westenra from "Dracula" book.
Chaotic Neutral: Captain Jack Sparrow and Snake Plissken.
Lawful Evil: Boba Fett and Magneto from X-Men's.
Neutral Evil: Mystique from X-Men's and Sawyer (early Seasons of "Lost").
Chaotic Evil: No one is mentioned, I suspect perhaps a biblical demonic figure .

 

[Huurn]

I had a group I played Ad&d with in the 90s. That system was always weird to me. It's fun but just as well they abandoned it. I remember True Neutral as being described as being concerned with keeping "the balance", which seems to mean that if there is too much good around you, you must do something evil to "keep balance"? Weird. The creator of the game Gary Gygax was a very specific type of hardcore christian though, at least that's what I was told, maybe it made sense to him.

As far as I can tell that list looks pretty good, though I'm not familiar with all those names. I'd maybe put Snake Plissken on Chaotic Good, but I can see the argument for Chaotic Neutral. Veronica as Lawful Neutral makes sense to me. They're all about order.

 

[PickerLewd]

In my entire giant lore of seven connected games in my head, Veronica Karlsson is a giant figure that impacts way beyond KG.

So if these hypothetical games ever come out, who knows, maybe V will show up there as well..

You know, I like Jules , but if Kane wants to stay alive centuries later, he has to end up with V .

 

[jadepaladin]

And the Wiki has some examples of characters for each alignment (I don't know if this is right):

Lawful Good: Batman, Dick Tracy and Indiana Jones.
Neutral Good: El Zorro and Spiderman.
Chaotic Good: Robin Hood and Malcolm Reynolds.
Lawful Neutral: James Bond, Odysseus and Sanjuro from Yojimbo film.
True Neutral: Animals, Lara Croft, Han Solo (70's Movies) and Lucy Westenra from "Dracula" book.
Chaotic Neutral: Captain Jack Sparrow and Snake Plissken.
Lawful Evil: Boba Fett and Magneto from X-Men's.
Neutral Evil: Mystique from X-Men's and Sawyer (early Seasons of "Lost").
Chaotic Evil: No one is mentioned, I suspect perhaps a biblical demonic figure .

I was ready to go a couple of rounds over some of these but then decided what's the point?

Now I kind of want to do an alignment chart for KG. Slotting that up there with a tier list based solely on looks.

 

[Maviarab]

As you mentioned Tierlist JP....some of you already have it...but for those who don't.

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For those who like my Excel sheets, all will be uploaded tomorrow afternoon. Not quite going to finish and I've made quite a lot of adjustments to all three sheets and as getting late here I'm not going to (accurately) manage to get them done tonight.