VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Stan5851]

I want to see how this finishes, but with all the changes happening to the dom side due to the so-called harassment she's getting, it's getting harder to do so. Fromb my pov she giving power to the people that she says are harassing her and makes her looks like a beta bitch but she wants us to belive she got a dom personality.

I just don't get it. What's the problem with banning these inadequate harassers (even assuming these guys actually exist)? Moreover, she wrote that now all private messages on patreon addressed to her will be first viewed by her fiancé and only then get to her.

So what is the problem and why, because of the inability to organize communication and unwillingness to get rid of a handful of toxic patrons once and for all, should "ordinary" Dom players who have nothing to do with this "harassment" pay the price? Yes, I realize that this is probably a rhetorical question.

 

[DoverDad]

I just don't get it. What's the problem with banning these inadequate harassers (even assuming these guys actually exist)? Moreover, she wrote that now all private messages on patreon addressed to her will be first viewed by her fiancé and only then get to her.

So what is the problem and why, because of the inability to organize communication and unwillingness to get rid of a handful of toxic patrons once and for all, should "ordinary" Dom players who have nothing to do with this "harassment" pay the price? Yes, I realize that this is probably a rhetorical question.

I would like to see what her Discord was like when she announced she would be removing more from the dom dom side. It looks like Kane won't be getting a house after all

 

[akki_sky]

I just don't get it. What's the problem with banning these inadequate harassers (even assuming these guys actually exist)? Moreover, she wrote that now all private messages on patreon addressed to her will be first viewed by her fiancé and only then get to her.

So what is the problem and why, because of the inability to organize communication and unwillingness to get rid of a handful of toxic patrons once and for all, should "ordinary" Dom players who have nothing to do with this "harassment" pay the price? Yes, I realize that this is probably a rhetorical question.

I don't think there are any. Dev also selectively banned dom players. So they stop supporting on patreon. So any poll should be always will be sub leaning and dev can make excuse that people want more sub content. dom paths will keep reducing after every update.

 

[Stan5851]

I don't think there are any. Dev also selectively banned dom players. So they stop supporting on patreon. So any poll should be always will be sub leaning and dev can make excuse that people want more sub content. dom paths will keep reducing after every update.

I doubt it will. This game won't be successful just by sub patrons. The dev herself has said this repeatedly. I wouldn't raise unnecessary panic, and the sad (alas) fact that Dom players have Kiyomi removed (with whom, however, we haven't had even a hint of a romantic relationship so far, unlike Olivia, who will get such a rs with Kiyomi) is unlikely to affect anything else.

Plus, according to the dev, Dom players will probably get 1 additional LI from the Sub side (I wonder who that might be, only Mercy comes to mind, but maybe it's someone else).

 

[DoverDad]

I doubt it will. This game won't be successful just by sub patrons. The dev herself has said this repeatedly. I wouldn't raise unnecessary panic, and the sad (alas) fact that Dom players have Kiyomi removed (with whom, however, we haven't had even a hint of a romantic relationship so far, unlike Olivia, who will get such a rs with Kiyomi) is unlikely to affect anything else.

Plus, according to the dev, Dom players will probably get 1 additional LI from the Sub side (I wonder who that might be, only Mercy comes to mind, but maybe it's someone else).

I'm going for a long shot and hoping it's Elena

 

[kinkyshin]

I doubt it will. This game won't be successful just by sub patrons. The dev herself has said this repeatedly. I wouldn't raise unnecessary panic, and the sad (alas) fact that Dom players have Kiyomi removed (with whom, however, we haven't had even a hint of a romantic relationship so far, unlike Olivia, who will get such a rs with Kiyomi) is unlikely to affect anything else.

Plus, according to the dev, Dom players will probably get 1 additional LI from the Sub side (I wonder who that might be, only Mercy comes to mind, but maybe it's someone else).

I can't believe it would be Mercy lol. She's been removing all super-evil options for dom Kane, so it wouldn't make any sense for her to add Mercy as a romance option for him.

I think she's said that Astrid will be a romance option for Kane, but never specified if it will be for sub Kane or dom Kane or whatever... maybe it was planned for sub Kane and will now be for dom Kane?

I think the more likely candidate though is Alessandra. There was supposed to be an AlessandraCeleste throuple on the dom side, but if she's removing Celeste content then this would make the most sense? I don't think the throuple was supposed to be that 'deep' but if she excludes Celeste then it could be more deep relationship for Kane and Alessandra. Additionally, it's possible that she's changed her mind on Alessandra. I wouldn't be surprised if she's become quite fond of the idea that Alessandra can be 'reformed' and turned to the light and would give that option to a dom Kane without Angelica's help. I've said it before, but I think she's become emotionally attached to some of her characters. Not saying it's a good or a bad thing, but yea.

 

[Stan5851]

I can't believe it would be Mercy lol. She's been removing all super-evil options for dom Kane, so it wouldn't make any sense for her to add Mercy as a romance option for him.

I think she's said that Astrid will be a romance option for Kane, but never specified if it will be for sub Kane or dom Kane or whatever... maybe it was planned for sub Kane and will now be for dom Kane?

I think the more likely candidate though is Alessandra. There was supposed to be an AlessandraCeleste throuple on the dom side, but if she's removing Celeste content then this would make the most sense? I don't think the throuple was supposed to be that 'deep' but if she excludes Celeste then it could be more deep relationship for Kane and Alessandra. Additionally, it's possible that she's changed her mind on Alessandra. I wouldn't be surprised if she's become quite fond of the idea that Alessandra can be 'reformed' and turned to the light and would give that option to a dom Kane without Angelica's help. I've said it before, but I think she's become emotionally attached to some of her characters. Not saying it's a good or a bad thing, but yea.

As for Tess' affection/emotionally attached for the characters and Alessandra in particular..Well, she's written for a very long time that Alessa is a special and relatable character to her, so there's nothing surprising about that. So, yes - both the Secret Sub route itself (the only true femdom in this game, according to Tess) and Alessa herself as a character, mean quite a lot to her and are kind of a favorite...

Yeah, the idea of a deeper Dom romance with Alessa (without Celeste) definitely makes sense. And I'd really like that too...I started this relationship with Alessa and Celeste purely for the sake of that beauty with the bottomless green eyes. And the idea of turning Alessa to the light without Angelica's help seems pretty logical too. If SS Kane can do it, then it's logical to assume that pure Dom Kane can do it too.

Ofc, that doesn't mean I'm going to give up on hypothetical and super-hot joint scenes where pure Dom Kane, along with Angelica with a strapon on her hips, re-educate Alessa by "turning her to the light", haha.

As for Astrid, I've always liked her, but when I wasn't banned on Tess discord yet, I just remembered that she said something like Astrid would never be available as a LI. Well, if I missed something and the situation has changed, I'll be glad.

At the very least, a possible deep romance with Astrid on the Dom route could have been a real gem and added motivation for the players to "abandon the game show route" in favor of Island 4 and all that comes with it. Either way, Astrid as a full-fledged LI for "white knight" Kane sounds great and right.

 

[kinkyshin]

As for Tess' affection/emotionally attached for the characters and Alessandra in particular..Well, she's written for a very long time that Alessa is a special and relatable character to her, so there's nothing surprising about that. So, yes - both the Secret Sub route itself (the only true femdom in this game, according to Tess) and Alessa herself as a character, mean quite a lot to her and are kind of a favorite...

Yeah, the idea of a deeper Dom romance with Alessa (without Celeste) definitely makes sense. And I'd really like that too...I started this relationship with Alessa and Celeste purely for the sake of that beauty with the bottomless green eyes. And the idea of turning Alessa to the light without Angelica's help seems pretty logical too. If SS Kane can do it, then it's logical to assume that pure Dom Kane can do it too.

Ofc, that doesn't mean I'm going to give up on hypothetical and super-hot joint scenes where pure Dom Kane, along with Angelica with a strapon on her hips, re-educate Alessa by "turning her to the light", haha.

As for Astrid, I've always liked her, but when I wasn't banned on her discord yet, I just remembered that she said something like Astrid would never be available as a LI. Well, if I missed something and the situation has changed, I'll be glad.

At the very least, a possible deep romance with Astrid on the Dom route could have been a real gem and added motivation for the players to "abandon the game show route" in favor of Island 4 and all that comes with it. Either way, Astrid as a full-fledged LI for "white knight" Kane sounds great and right.

I've never been to her discord but someone posted this image a while back:

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It's a bit outdated, and some things have likely changed since then but if she's talking about romantic guarantees and she says "Forgot Astrid" then it could imply that Astrid will (or at least, might) be a romantic interest.

Also, in the most updated Faction Summary thing she says:

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Personally, I suspect this character is Astrid.
If it is, then it would also mean that the character that has recently been swapped from sub route to dom route is not her.

 

[Maviarab]

I can't believe it would be Mercy lol. She's been removing all super-evil options for dom Kane, so it wouldn't make any sense for her to add Mercy as a romance option for him.

I think she's said that Astrid will be a romance option for Kane, but never specified if it will be for sub Kane or dom Kane or whatever... maybe it was planned for sub Kane and will now be for dom Kane?

I think the more likely candidate though is Alessandra. There was supposed to be an AlessandraCeleste throuple on the dom side, but if she's removing Celeste content then this would make the most sense? I don't think the throuple was supposed to be that 'deep' but if she excludes Celeste then it could be more deep relationship for Kane and Alessandra. Additionally, it's possible that she's changed her mind on Alessandra. I wouldn't be surprised if she's become quite fond of the idea that Alessandra can be 'reformed' and turned to the light and would give that option to a dom Kane without Angelica's help. I've said it before, but I think she's become emotionally attached to some of her characters. Not saying it's a good or a bad thing, but yea.

As for Tess' affection/emotionally attached for the characters and Alessandra in particular..Well, she's written for a very long time that Alessa is a special and relatable character to her, so there's nothing surprising about that. So, yes - both the Secret Sub route itself (the only true femdom in this game, according to Tess) and Alessa herself as a character, mean quite a lot to her and are kind of a favorite...

Yeah, the idea of a deeper Dom romance with Alessa (without Celeste) definitely makes sense. And I'd really like that too...I started this relationship with Alessa and Celeste purely for the sake of that beauty with the bottomless green eyes. And the idea of turning Alessa to the light without Angelica's help seems pretty logical too. If SS Kane can do it, then it's logical to assume that pure Dom Kane can do it too.

Ofc, that doesn't mean I'm going to give up on hypothetical and super-hot joint scenes where pure Dom Kane, along with Angelica with a strapon on her hips, re-educate Alessa by "turning her to the light", haha.

As for Astrid, I've always liked her, but when I wasn't banned on Tess discord yet, I just remembered that she said something like Astrid would never be available as a LI. Well, if I missed something and the situation has changed, I'll be glad.

At the very least, a possible deep romance with Astrid on the Dom route could have been a real gem and added motivation for the players to "abandon the game show route" in favor of Island 4 and all that comes with it. Either way, Astrid as a full-fledged LI for "white knight" Kane sounds great and right.

I've never been to her discord but someone posted this image a while back:

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It's a bit outdated, and some things have likely changed since then but if she's talking about romantic guarantees and she says "Forgot Astrid" then it could imply that Astrid will (or at least, might) be a romantic interest.

Also, in the most updated Faction Summary thing she says:

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Personally, I suspect this character is Astrid.
If it is, then it would also mean that the character that has recently been swapped from sub route to dom route is not her.

Astrid will only be a LI for MC in TQA, not KG.

 

[kinkyshin]

Astrid will only be a LI for MC in TQA, not KG.

Has she specifically said that Astrid will not be a romantic option for Kane?

 

[Maviarab]

Has she specifically said that Astrid will not be a romantic option for Kane?

Multiple times in the past yes. I think you're confusing quotes she has said regarding TQA. Unless that has changed in the last few months, that's the situation and always has been.

Even Tess is not stupid enough to have the same LI in two different VN's for two different MC's (especially in a connected universe)

 

[kinkyshin]

Multiple times in the past yes.

Well if she's straight up said that, then it's likely true (Unless Alessandra is more relatable to her than we think lol). If this is the case though then it makes me wonder then who she is being so sneaky about being a possible leader of Faction B when romanced with Kane, because I can't imagine there are too many people that would be accepted into that role.

I think you're confusing quotes she has said regarding TQA.

Am I? I only see what she says if someone posts it here, which means I've probably missed 99% of what she's said lol and often there's not really any context for it.

Even Tess is not stupid enough to have the same LI in two different VN's for two different MC's (especially in a connected universe)

I personally wouldn't even have any problem with this but yea... I'm well aware of how people would react considering that there are people on here that would consider Callista & Cole to be NTR.. which I actually find funny.

 

[Stan5851]

Astrid will only be a LI for MC in TQA, not KG.

Well, I remember that, but who knows, we'll see. As practice has shown, Tess can change her mind about certain characters and their availability/unavailability to players. Also, TQA is not Tess's personal game (although she is the primary author writing the dialogs), but Anais's game, which Tess simply allowed to use some of the characters and lore elements from her (Tess's) own game universe...So, KG and everything that happens in it is a priori more canon and more important than any TQA. (imo)

 

[kinkyshin]

Also, do you remember where Cole is located?

I remember at some point, they mention there is a place of relevance just north east of the wastelands but I can't remember why. If that's where he is, then that's quite the distance for Kiyomi to have just showed up to on a whim... also it was snowing there, I wouldn't think it snows much in northern Africa.

BTW, I went back and checked... the place I was talking about was just this place... definitely not where Cole is located lol.

 

[Stan5851]

BTW, I went back and checked... the place I was talking about was just this place... definitely not where Cole is located lol.

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As I recall, what is written on your screenshot is a kind of cameo and reference to the events taking place in the game Desert Stalker. So Cole is definitely work not in that desert.

 

[Maviarab]

BTW, I went back and checked... the place I was talking about was just this place... definitely not where Cole is located lol.

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It is never explicitly implied where Cole is.....given where I think Astrid is (Hawaii)...he really could be anywhere. Have to remember, too many people think the world (Earth) has completely collapsed. It hasn't, there are still many,. many peoiple living all over the world, jusdt there are serious economic and food issues etc due to what has been happening.

It is not a post apocolyptic world, large swathes of uninhabitable land...all we know is that 'the largest population' is currently in Southern Africa.

 

[Stan5851]

Even Tess is not stupid enough to have the same LI in two different VN's for two different MC's (especially in a connected universe)

As far as I can tell, it's basically the same game universe. So, I also don't see anything stupid or weird about allowing Astrid to have a relationship in 2 VN at once, united by a common story and lore...Astrid doesn't seem to have become a nun, taken a vow of celibacy.And her only limitation, in fact, is her confinement to a wheelchair, but if Veronica gets over Astrid illness quickly enough, I don't see any objective obstacle as to why the "white knight" Kane couldn't have a romance with her.

I'd like to believe that both devs are mature enough to realize that the audience isn't expecting them to do some childish nonsense like saying that "all female LI's for the male MC from TQA have to be chaste virgins who have never had a relationship before". So for me personally, the reason why Tess originally decided to give Astrid exclusively to Anais and her TQA has always looked pretty weird and hard to explain.

 

[drdiver3]

I doubt it will. This game won't be successful just by sub patrons. The dev herself has said this repeatedly. I wouldn't raise unnecessary panic, and the sad (alas) fact that Dom players have Kiyomi removed (with whom, however, we haven't had even a hint of a romantic relationship so far, unlike Olivia, who will get such a rs with Kiyomi) is unlikely to affect anything else.

Plus, according to the dev, Dom players will probably get 1 additional LI from the Sub side (I wonder who that might be, only Mercy comes to mind, but maybe it's someone else).

Evil dom players absolutely have had a hint of a romantic relationship with Kiyomi. They get a scene fairly early on where

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[kinkyshin]

Evil dom players absolutely have had a hint of a romantic relationship with Kiyomi. They get a scene fairly early on where

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[Stan5851]

kinkyshin, here's a screenshot that has a cameo for Desert Stalker.

But so far I haven't seen any mention of KG in the DS, hehe...Perhaps it was just a one-sided wish on Tess' part when she was creating that scene.