VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Stan5851]

Also you say 'pruned' but not 'removed' entirely so... does that just means it's being gutted on World State D, but not World State B & C ?

I'm more concerned about WS A and her presence there.

 

[kinkyshin]

I never saw any thing concrete just:
" Dom Path: Angelica path will be changed from original plan, more later. "

Damn that sounds ominous. Hopefully it's just a good change... and not being removed or 'pruned' like Silver said.

I'm more concerned about WS A and her presence there.

I'm not so sure that she was intended to be super prevalent in World State A in the first place judging by the Faction Summary. Although it seems there is some 'overlapping' between World State A and World State D endings according to the Faction Summary. Which would almost certainly relate to Kane and Angelica. I'm guessing she is just revamping World State D (Which would explain why Kiyomi and Angelica, who were supposed to be prevalent on those World States are now getting changed at the same time). World State D was definitely the most mysterious of the World States anyways.

World State D - The "Wild Card" endings - I definitely don't want to spoil this very much,
but these endings are essentially scenarios where Kane kind of goes
rogue/independent on some level. In short, this is more about Kane rejecting all
factions at some point and finding his own path without a large team/apparatus of a
faction aligned with him. Two endings in this state CAN exist with A or C but most
cannot exist at the same time. I don't want to be too specific here either, but essentially
very positive ends can be literally riding off into the sunset with very negative endings being death/destruction.

tl;dr: Hopefully all the changes (besides Celeste getting gutted) are just about World State D. (And, hopefully it's good changes, not bad changes)

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Are you on her discord? Can you ask her to confirm if Angelica is being removed from dom path?
I'm still hopeful that maybe you misread a comment or something.

Also you say 'pruned' but not 'removed' entirely so... does that just means it's being gutted on World State D, but not World State B & C ?

I’m on her discord, but idk.. I didn’t ask for details but sounds just in general tbh
Still don’t know what character from sub side is going to Dom side and vice versa

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Yep, still seems like with her wedding, the steam game, writing for anais's game, that she is quite overwhelmed so she's making cuts that will make the smallest impact. Since Angelica is a recent upgrade, unfortunately, her pruning makes sense :s

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Yep, still seems like with her wedding, the steam game, writing for anais's game, that she is quite overwhelmed so she's making cuts that will make the smallest impact. Since Angelica is a recent upgrade, unfortunately, her pruning makes sense :s

She stated it was to turn away people from the game.
But yeah, she seems pretty high strung with things going on maybe so time to trim. If that was the case I wish she were honest.

 

[Ayhsel]

Damn how much I love this game!

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

She stated it was to turn away people from the game.
But yeah, she seems pretty high strung with things going on maybe so time to trim. If that was the case I wish she were honest.

If she was trying to get rid of toxic players she'd be trimming Juliette and getting rid of dominique's evil side. Not getting rid of women that nobody gives a shit about ( well,I guess Angelica's a fan fav but the other 2 meh.)

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

If she was trying to get rid of toxic players she'd be trimming Juliette and getting rid of dominique's evil side. Not getting rid of women that nobody gives a shit about ( well,I guess Angelica's a fan fav but the other 2 meh.)

Evil Dominique is still there, very true. But she already has cut back on the amount of evil that Kane can interact with involving Juliette. It's been a while since I played the sarlacc scene for demon kane, but I think there was a murder party that Juliette invited Kane to that I doubt will get much follow up. It's hard to shift too much with things involving the Karlsson sisters but we'll see how much the tone shifts.

People like Celeste and family are easier to make changes on and are the next evil after the sisters and she is pretty much clamped down now supposedly. A general trend to softening things up a bit.

 

[minibaer12]

Evil Dominique is still there, very true. But she already has cut back on the amount of evil that Kane can interact with involving Juliette. It's been a while since I played the sarlacc scene for demon kane, but I think there was a murder party that Juliette invited Kane to that I doubt will get much follow up. It's hard to shift too much with things involving the Karlsson sisters but we'll see how much the tone shifts.

People like Celeste and family are easier to make changes on and are the next evil after the sisters and she is pretty much clamped down now supposedly. A general trend to softening things up a bit.

Yes, the Dom/Evil path was pretty brutal. I don't remember how many human lives it was directly or indirectly responsible for. I only play the plot with Phoebe/Celeste & co. in this path, because it just makes sense there. I think it's a real shame that Celeste is going to be eliminated. Hopefully, Phoebe stays.
In my opinion, the path should stay exactly as it is: just evil.

 

[revosven]

do any one have the post where it explains what Edom e sub and other things like o points and Z points do i think i used it before but cant find it again, Can any one help tried to use search but haven't helped much

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

do any one have the post where it explains what Edom e sub and other things like o points and Z points do i think i used it before but cant find it again, Can any one help tried to use search but haven't helped much

Walkthrough pdfs explain everything more. But to be brief and answer your points:
-Edom is a marker that refers to an evil Olivia on the Dom path with esub being the same for sub

For things before episode 8, which is what it looks like you're referring to-
-zpts is a counter for evaluation on the dom path. You want less points of this. Lower is better.
-opts is the same for sub path evaluation

more points being bad for evaluation (zpts,opts,edpts,espts) . But In episode 8 some more evaluation points like "sgame" or "expoints" are added where more is good.

Edit: execpt not expoints

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

do any one have the post where it explains what Edom e sub and other things like o points and Z points do i think i used it before but cant find it again, Can any one help tried to use search but haven't helped much

By the way, It's easier to track all of these with something like URM downloaded and dropped into your game folder.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Im getting more convinced that Kane was never meant to be a part of this story and only meant to be Olivia as the main MC. Kane has always been an afterthought, meaning look how Kane acts most of the time, he has a memory of goldfish he also has a personality of a robotic retard

I've mentioned this before, but one of the things I like the most about the sub path is that it keeps the "dual protagonist" dynamic from the intro and you make choices for both where as for dom path Olivia becomes "just another sister". I actually wish Olivia were the main character since she does a better job at it and the game seems better suited for it since god forbid Kane get to decide something.

I don't know if Tess is actually going to do another game after Anais, but female protag would be a really good fit for her style of game making.
She seems very squeamish about Kane doing bad things but pretty ok with Olivia doing them.
Female protag seems it would give greater flexibility for her games.

 

[Stan5851]

do any one have the post where it explains what Edom e sub and other things like o points and Z points do i think i used it before but cant find it again, Can any one help tried to use search but haven't helped much

For example, here.

Yeah...you don't want edpts either. (well...unless you want to head down that specific path I suppose heh...but ideally you want those low too. For record, I believe those are Elena Dom Points).

Those are the only two point variables (that I'm aware of...currently) that more = bad (if going good/dom route).

-Edom is a marker that refers to an evil Olivia on the Dom path with

Nope, Edom is Edpts and those points are not directly related to Olivia. They could be called ElenaDom points. What they are for is written above. Dom Kane should avoid accumulating these points, such as when he goes to hang out with Scarlett and Samanta.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Nope, Edom is Edpts and those points are not directly related to Olivia. They could be called ElenaDom points. What they are for is written above.

There are various scenes labled edom or esub based on Olivia alignment. Such as e6edom. There are no points for edom as mentioned by us both with edpts being the name for the points. Which might be short for edompoints perhaps but is never referred to as such by pdf or by internal game code.

Edpts are the evaluation points for episode 7 dom path, like the drinking thing in the subway. No references to "edom" outside of scene labels.

 

[akki_sky]

She seems very squeamish about Kane doing bad things but pretty ok with Olivia doing them.

That is the main problem. She is fine with any female doing evil things but she is not fine with Kane doing them.

All the male pod members getting body pain, crawling, golden shower, kick on balls, tongue chair, boot licking, gross food or starvation, pegging with heated dildo, face mask dildo, dick cage shock and many other things i'm still not aware about because I don't play that path.
But now tell me what female pod is getting from above things. They don't even do basic boot licking for Kane. They walk not crawl. Kane is not even using body pain on them. For this game this are basic standard things and not extreme things. But Kane is even not getting to this basic things. Veronica is considered good or neutral among them, but she also does all this basic things. Even Kiyomi did many things but Kane is not doing those.

So everything is like this because of dev's own mindset. It has nothing to do about any comments or feedback dev is getting. Dom players are expecting same good/evil path and control which olivia and her karlsson sisters have. If dev don't want to develop dom path then just say it. Why talk about cutting extreme scenes when you are not even delivering basic things.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

That is the main problem. She is fine with any female doing evil things but she is not fine with Kane doing them.

All the male pod members getting body pain, crawling, golden shower, kick on balls, tongue chair, boot licking, gross food or starvation, pegging with heated dildo, face mask dildo, dick cage shock and many other things i'm still not aware about because I don't play that path.
But now tell me what female pod is getting from above things. They don't even do basic boot licking for Kane. They walk not crawl. Kane is not even using body pain on them. For this game this are basic standard things and not extreme things. But Kane is even not getting to this basic things. Veronica is considered good or neutral among them, but she also does all this basic things. Even Kiyomi did many things but Kane is not doing those.

So everything is like this because of dev's own mindset. It has nothing to do about any comments or feedback dev is getting. Dom players are expecting same good/evil path and control which olivia and her karlsson sisters have. If dev don't want to develop dom path then just say it. Why talk about cutting extreme scenes when you are not even delivering basic things.

Kain can do some bad things like feed people to sharks and give someone lethal injections. Though yeah evil dom continuously gets chopped over time. It is telling that demon Kane is cut but not demon Olivia. And of course Olivia can make her own choices and manage things but not Kane(though in theory that should change soon).
Olivia even gets the "you're so amazing and awesome" treatment that most "chosen one" protagonists get.

It's why I agree that Olivia is better suited as a protag than Kane. If one character naturally fits as the plot doer they should be protag. Tess seems to like writing Olivia doing things, and some of my favorite scenes involve Olivia too, especially since Kane is pretty boring. So yeah she should totally do FMC for games. It just really seems that's the natural least stressful thing for her to write.

 

[Maviarab]

There are various scenes labled edom or esub based on Olivia alignment. Such as e6edom. There are no points for edom as mentioned by us both with edpts being the name for the points. Which might be short for edompoints perhaps but is never referred to as such by pdf or by internal game code.

Edpts are the evaluation points for episode 7 dom path, like the drinking thing in the subway. No references to "edom" outside of scene labels.

They are directly related to how Elena views you and your progress/potential in her evaluation of you.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

They are directly related to how Elena views you and your progress/potential in her evaluation of you.

Sure. The asker was using walkthrough/game lable terms so I was responding using them. Again, in both walkthrough and flags pulled using urm there is no edom or esub lable outside of as a part of scene names.

Since he used terms like zpts and opts I wasn't going to confuse things by using terms not used in game hence sticking to edpts and espts and only using edom and esub as they are used in walkthrough and game code.

 

[Stan5851]

That is the main problem. She is fine with any female doing evil things but she is not fine with Kane doing them.

All the male pod members getting body pain, crawling, golden shower, kick on balls, tongue chair, boot licking, gross food or starvation, pegging with heated dildo, face mask dildo, dick cage shock and many other things i'm still not aware about because I don't play that path.
But now tell me what female pod is getting from above things. They don't even do basic boot licking for Kane. They walk not crawl. Kane is not even using body pain on them. For this game this are basic standard things and not extreme things. But Kane is even not getting to this basic things. Veronica is considered good or neutral among them, but she also does all this basic things. Even Kiyomi did many things but Kane is not doing those.

So everything is like this because of dev's own mindset. It has nothing to do about any comments or feedback dev is getting. Dom players are expecting same good/evil path and control which olivia and her karlsson sisters have. If dev don't want to develop dom path then just say it. Why talk about cutting extreme scenes when you are not even delivering basic things.

Somebody copy this into her discord. But overall, a great post that could have been a full-fledged review.