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Hey, there is nothing to take personally, I enjoy a friendly discussion. I didn't really read through the discord so I don't have any insight about her mindset there.

Of course the game is an (very extreme) over the top femdom fantasy world. But as someone who played a lot of femdom games (mostly from male developers, which I think are not misandristic), the lack of male agency/extremly bad treated males is pretty normal in those fantasies (I also have to admit that I enjoy gentle/loving/conseting femdom much more than what is given us here so far, even though that is a problem of femdom porn over all :unsure:).
But of course you can have a different opinion, especially if you only play/enjoy the dom path.I also see the dom path more as a cuckold fantasy bull path :p (with all the humiliation for other males, especially in the newer episodes), since it lacks "real" male domination on a level compared to the femdom.
Yeah, I didn't choose the dom routes for maledom or the netori aspect, I chose the dom routes because there's a lot in the game that isn't my "taste" and on the dom route the player gets to opt out of some of that. The subs by definition really don't get to choose much if anything. I use the "skip" feature quite a bit and always wonder if I'm missing out on story lore because of that.

I do enjoy the story though; it's why I'm here and I can't wait to see how things end.

I suppose I'm less of a dom than I am a non-sub, if that makes sense? ;)
 
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How would Kane's "betrayal" sting deep? Wasn't she the one who betrayed him? Given her actions I thought creating another Alexander was precisely the point. She lied to and manipulated him his whole life. Then she abandoned him and left him to fend for himself against the wolves.

I don't get how anyone can make a distinction between Alexander, Cole and Callista. They are all absolutely awful to their very core. They are standing next to each other on the same side of the good/evil spectrum. They are rotten people.

From where I'm standing with my Kane, "betraying" his parents isn't a possibility. It's an inevitability.
Intresting points, I would kind of disagree with Cole, as he was bascially a hostage for the last 20 years or something, so he is not really responsible for any shit from this time. While I completly agree that it was Alexanders idea, to bascially recreate himself with Kane. We don't have enough insight yet, about Callistas motives/planes (I am still kind of hold on to my theory that Kane actually is informed about the gambit, at least in some specific paths) to make a final judgment here. But I would absolutly agree that Kane is in a position that is so incredibly stacked against him, that you can't really hold anything against him (except maybe extrem betrayals of Jake etc.)
 
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Yeah, I didn't choose the dom routes for maledom or the netori aspect, I chose the dom routes because there's a lot in the game that isn't my "taste" and on the dom route the player gets to opt out of some of that. The subs by definition really don't get to choose much if anything. I use the "skip" feature quite a bit and always wonder if I'm missing out on story lore because of that.

I do enjoy the story though; it's why I'm here and I can't wait to see how things end.

I suppose I'm less of a dom than I am a non-sub, if that makes sense? ;)
Actually you can choose a lot of the kinks displayed as a sub, because very often the decision making of the player switches to the perspective of the dom at the time ;) . But I get your point. And yes the story and how it ends, also keeps me hooked.

Edit: Completly different question: If we assume that Olivia is informed by Callista/Alexander about everyhting and she basically deceives anybody with her acting skills. How much of her player decision making is actually her true character or is it sill an act, and she has an actual character that is different from what we decide?
 
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Actually you can choose a lot of the kinks displayed as a sub, because very often the decision making of the player switches to the perspective of the dom at the time ;) . But I get your point. And yes the story and how it ends, also keeps me hooked.

Edit: Completly different question: If we assume that Olivia is informed by Callista/Alexander about everyhting and she basically deceives anybody with her acting skills. How much of her player decision making is actually her true character or is it sill an act, and she has an actual character that is different from what we decide?
I've wondered and commented about that a lot. I feel as if I just don't know "whom" Olivia truly is. I'd like to think the MC would know because of their upbringing but perhaps during Olivia's time away she underwent training or exposure that changed her ethics in some way? I find myself looking hard at every Olivia scene with an eye toward trying to understand whether/not we're seeing the true Olivia...
 

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I've wondered and commented about that a lot. I feel as if I just don't know "whom" Olivia truly is. I'd like to think the MC would know because of their upbringing but perhaps during Olivia's time away she underwent training or exposure that changed her ethics in some way? I find myself looking hard at every Olivia scene with an eye toward trying to understand whether/not we're seeing the true Olivia...
Yeah, same, I also try wo read her scenes more intensly to check out if there is somehting suspicious. But the line from Alexander in the intro where he say she can change the world for better or worse, and herself too, makes me think that our decisions acutally are who she is or who she wants to be. But of course, can't be sure about this.
 

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Yeah, same, I also try wo read her scenes more intensly to check out if there is somehting suspicious. But the line from Alexander in the intro where he say she can change the world for better or worse, and herself too, makes me think that our decisions acutally are who she is or who she wants to be. But of course, can't be sure about this.
I hope that's the case. If true, that would make this one of the better games I've seen in spite of the aspects I find to be undesirable for me.
 
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I hope that's the case. If true, that would make this one of the better games I've seen in spite of the aspects I find to be undesirable for me.
Even if this is true, I still think that this is a big betrayal from her and I wonder how Kane (the different possible versions of him) would react when learing the truth (Except of course if she infromed him about it beforehand. The actual lack of inner thoughts/inner monolgue of both, Olvia and Kane, makes me think that there is a possibility for this).
 

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How would Kane's "betrayal" sting deep? Wasn't she the one who betrayed him? Given her actions I thought creating another Alexander was precisely the point. She lied to and manipulated him his whole life. Then she abandoned him and left him to fend for himself against the wolves.

I don't get how anyone can make a distinction between Alexander, Cole and Callista. They are all absolutely awful to their very core. They are standing next to each other on the same side of the good/evil spectrum. They are rotten people.

From where I'm standing with my Kane, "betraying" his parents isn't a possibility. It's an inevitability.
While I see your point, IMO Alexander is alot worse esp when we compare how he raised his kids to how Callista raised hers. While yes, Callista fucked him by throwing him into this dangerous world with little to no training, she's doing what she feels that she has to do for his survival. Will that stop me from betraying her at the first opportunity? nope. If Tess allows the player, my Kane is gonna tell callista exactly what he thinks of her.

To address the first part, I think Callista's ultimate plan iw to run the Karlsson syndicate through her son. which is why it would be a betrayal to Callista if Kane turns out to be a tyranical leader.
 
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It's been a month now and the latest update is still on Test version, I've been waiting for the final version and walkthrough to come out so that I can finally play, any news on when that might happen? I believe there were scenes missing.
 

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While I see your point, IMO Alexander is alot worse esp when we compare how he raised his kids to how Callista raised hers. While yes, Callista fucked him by throwing him into this dangerous world with little to no training, she's doing what she feels that she has to do for his survival. Will that stop me from betraying her at the first opportunity? nope. If Tess allows the player, my Kane is gonna tell callista exactly what he thinks of her.

To address the first part, I think Callista's ultimate plan iw to run the Karlsson syndicate through her son. which is why it would be a betrayal to Callista if Kane turns out to be a tyranical leader.
Intresting, what gives you the vibe that Callista wants to run the Karlsson syndicate, always thought she just wants go get Kane out. I think even the revolution is more Cole than her? Or maybe the revolution is actually her plan from the very beginning (or at least plan b)? Because I think having Kane at the mercy of the Karlsson sisters is always very dangerous, even if he prevails in the programm and is on higher tanks, there is basically no guarantee that not one of the sisters just snaps and puts him down to a very low rank (or just kill him). We saw that they basically have the power to increase/decrease Kane's rank however they like... And I would not say that they all are super mentally stable :ROFLMAO:.

Maybe she told Olivia to go in as the warden, and get a lot of attention on her, so she can go further with the revolution? But maybe her Plan A was Olivia/Kane gambit win. But as soon as something might not go as planned: Viva la revolución.

Also very intresting is the question, what will Veronica do if Maria is not saved and the revolution starts getting steam. She basically already knows everything about it and could most likely just stop it. So will the revolution maybe just fail when Veronica is not on her "redemption" path?

It's been a month now and the latest update is still on Test version, I've been waiting for the final version and walkthrough to come out so that I can finally play, any news on when that might happen? I believe there were scenes missing.
Final Test version most likely sometime next week, final release around christmas.
 
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Damn, this is one of those games that would have been much better if the female protagonist wasn't related to the MC but his gf or something....
 
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To address the first part, I think Callista's ultimate plan iw to run the Karlsson syndicate through her son. which is why it would be a betrayal to Callista if Kane turns out to be a tyranical leader.
I get what you mean but at the same time you evidenced the very thing I'm struggling to comprehend.

If anyone has clear insight into how Alexander became the man we are told it would be her, no? We know part of the reason was the torment he suffered at the hands of his sisters, correct? Callista leaving and Cole's betrayal only exacerbated this, right? Then why oh why would Callista raise Kane to be good and righteous but leave him in the dark and deliver him to be tormented by the Karlsson's?!?!? Doesn't this seem counterproductive? Doesn't this almost ensure he becomes evil, sadistic and antagonistic towards her? What is her reasoning here?

It pisses me off to no end that she did that to her own flesh and blood. And to poor Seth. But Olivia, who isn't even her daughter, she protected and trained. Olivia, she armed with knowledge and a plan. Olivia who would not be in any semblance of danger simply by being the daughter of who she is, she coddled and prepared. It's ludicrous.

I stand by my opinion. She is at the very least as bad as Alexander. Different kinds of evil perhaps, but similarly evil nonetheless.
 

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I get what you mean but at the same time you evidenced the very thing I'm struggling to comprehend.

If anyone has clear insight into how Alexander became the man we are told it would be her, no? We know part of the reason was the torment he suffered at the hands of his sisters, correct? Callista leaving and Cole's betrayal only exacerbated this, right? Then why oh why would Callista raise Kane to be good and righteous but leave him in the dark and deliver him to be tormented by the Karlsson's?!?!? Doesn't this seem counterproductive? Doesn't this almost ensure he becomes evil, sadistic and antagonistic towards her? What is her reasoning here?

It pisses me off to no end that she did that to her own flesh and blood. And to poor Seth. But Olivia, who isn't even her daughter, she protected and trained. Olivia, she armed with knowledge and a plan. Olivia who would not be in any semblance of danger simply by being the daughter of who she is, she coddled and prepared. It's ludicrous.

I stand by my opinion. She is at the very least as bad as Alexander. Different kinds of evil perhaps, but similarly evil nonetheless.
I think Alexander and his Sisters had a very good relationship, they also adored Callista and left together with her (correct me if I am wrong). I think you meet one them in a Olivia flashback.

Alexanders downfall began already when Callista was still there (hence the cheating with Elena), but afterwards intensified extremly, since he lost the only thing that acutally had a meaning to him (Callista, his sisters and Cole).

Why he initially began changing is not completly known, but I assume he simply got corrupted by power, after he fought himself up from being not much more than a slave and then becoming really powerful.

I always assumed that Alexander hoped for Kane to be like him, but maybe a better person, that is why he says in the intro that it could actually be a good change. Then there is the sentence about power in the hand of one persons always leads to cruelty, I assume he maybe hinted there, that the power should not fall to Kane or the winning sister alone, but instead to a team of the two or maybe even three (like in two sisters at the same time ;) - Tess said there is an ending with good Olvia, good Kane and Veronica being a triplet, but they all need to be on a similiar power level).

About Callista, I agree with you unless at lest one of certain things are revealed to us: First, if she was actually under absolut extreme surveillance (and I mean super duper extreme, permanent complete video and audio surveillance without a chance to block it, even for minutes) and it was impossible for her to give him hints/prepare him. Second, she basically has an absolut fail proof super plan to get him out of there (which is most likely not the case, since it is possible for Kane to die in the game show, so not really fail proof). Or third, Kane actually is informed about a lot of things and only fakes he doesn't know, just like Olivia (this is unlikely since he can fail so hard in the programm :ROFLMAO:).

We don't know what exactly she taught Kane, just that he had to learn a lot and from his genetics that he actually should be some kind of genius, like the rest of his family. So yeah we have to wait until more is revealed, but right now I agree with you, Callista is an absolut shitty parent from what we know so far. I hope how Kane handles her is not necessarly bound to him being good or evil, but an actual player decision.

Would also be much better for you if you knew what you were on about.
They are not blood related, but a lot of people would consider adoptive siblings (especially when raised alongside each other and not even knowing it), as siblings too. So no genetical incest, but definetly emotional incest (the closest we get to genetic incest, is with Delilah, who is Kane's cousin, but the stance on cousins is ähh controversial :p).
 

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She is not his cousin. Not by blood. Delialah is not a Dekock.
pretty sure she is. It is said somewhere that she is an intern at the Karlsson group and a DeCock.


Edit: Found a scene where it is stated she is Cynthias daughter.

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or do you think Delila is adopted? If yes can you tell me why?
 
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I think Alexander and his Sisters had a very good relationship, they also adored Callista and left together with her (correct me if I am wrong). I think you meet one them in a Olivia flashback.

Alexanders downfall began already when Callista was still there (hence the cheating with Elena), but afterwards intensified extremly, since he lost the only thing that acutally had a meaning to him (Callista, his sisters and Cole).

Why he initially began changing is not completly known, but I assume he simply got corrupted by power, after he fought himself up from being not much more than a slave and then becoming really powerful.
We don't know when the sisters left. I doubt it would be at the same time as callista since we know for a fact that Alexander stopped her. Alexander was also banging yvette and dom's mother around that time, his descent likely happened at the time that he likely lost his son with Callista.
Intresting, what gives you the vibe that Callista wants to run the Karlsson syndicate, always thought she just wants go get Kane out. I think even the revolution is more Cole than her? Or maybe the revolution is actually her plan from the very beginning (or at least plan b)? Because I think having Kane at the mercy of the Karlsson sisters is always very dangerous, even if he prevails in the programm and is on higher tanks, there is basically no guarantee that not one of the sisters just snaps and puts him down to a very low rank (or just kill him).
Because she put him in that gambit. I know that there's an apparent bomb on him, but she has accessto the worlds smartest scientist and the world's best hacker, she couldve figured out something if she didnt want him there. As for the ultimate plans, I imagine she really wants Kane and Olivia at the top to avoid the scenario you outlined. Still doesnt explain why she raised them as siblings, but thats a question for another day.

pretty sure she is. It is said somewhere that she is an intern at the Karlsson group and a DeCock.
She's not, tess abhors incest. She's likely adopted from someone on the karlsson island and raised as a dekock.
 

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We don't know when the sisters left. I doubt it would be at the same time as callista since we know for a fact that Alexander stopped her. Alexander was also banging yvette and dom's mother around that time, his descent likely happened at the time that he likely lost his son with Callista.

Because she put him in that gambit. I know that there's an apparent bomb on him, but she has accessto the worlds smartest scientist and the world's best hacker, she couldve figured out something if she didnt want him there. As for the ultimate plans, I imagine she really wants Kane and Olivia at the top to avoid the scenario you outlined. Still doesnt explain why she raised them as siblings, but thats a question for another day.


She's not, tess abhors incest. She's likely adopted from someone on the karlsson island and raised as a dekock.
About Callista, ok understand your point, but that would make her worse on the bad parent scale :ROFLMAO:.

About Delilah, is there anything in the game about it? I have no problem believing you guys if Tess said it somewhere on the discord. But I think the game never gave us any hints about it so far.
 
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