VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.1] [Hreinn Games]

[dariussama123]

When I thought "This is game is bullsh*t, they never will deliver game and I should stop have hope for is finish in future" they some how took my attention again... God, why I have a weakness for big-juicy anime tiddies? Whatever I seriously want an altarnate timeline where Kingdom of Deception is montly updated with Deathblight, yeah did you remember this one? Deathblight and "NoMoNeVeRwIıLfInIsHtHeGaMe" this two were the things "keeps me going" back in the day.

My grammar in English is probably worse than this game's progression over years, if somehow I hurt your eyes sorry lads.

 

[Jinsoyun]

Faster releases wouldn't solve everything, but they would alleviate a lot of the issues. For example, i've criticized the current ending point of the sub path repeatedly. While i really liked the scenes, the context and story ending of the patch is off to me. But if i knew that there was a new patch coming in 2-3 months i would have just enjoyed the bonus scenes so graciously shared by Aedan39 and waited the time out with a fleeting comment of "well, i'd prefer it another way, but let's see what happens".

I know that the last patch was not complete, but i can't read what's in the future. But yeah, accessing an alternative timeline where this game is completed and downloading that version would be worth a good amount of money.

Seriously tho, i thank our heroes again. This bonus pack had some juicy scenes and art in it.

 

[Loktar27]

The real treasure here is not the game. They are the altruistic heroes who share it.

 

[yyunus]

How can I edit my gold?

 

[Jinsoyun]

How can I edit my gold?

By opening the command console, and the only way i know how to do that is to install JDMOD from the opening post.

 

[CourierNPC]

but at least the content is worth it in the end

Lately, for me, it was a hit or miss.

 

[johnmccain2024]

Lately, for me, it was a hit or miss.

The Vehlis capture quest was very recent for Hreinn's standard at least, wasn't it? 2 or 3 updates ago max. I thought that scene was really good, one of the best in the game even, but then the repeatables and shop scenes looked downright *ugly*. So it's not like Nomo can't do it anymore at least, I just hope the repeatables update was an outlier and not an indicator for the future quality. And from the sneak peaks we got it looks like it's going back to higher quality now

 

[Jokkken]

I really don't like that they push Vehelis storys all the time for now 3 updates.

 

[Cormac]

I honestly don't think they should continue with the game. As much as I liked it, it seems to me that they lose focus with this delay. Maybe start a new game, or even redo everything, and with the errors corrected from that first version. Imagine if the entire game was remade in a better quality, with more time and with more frequent updates? I would think it was wonderful, I would put Nomo on top again

 

[souldead341]

I honestly don't think they should continue with the game. As much as I liked it, it seems to me that they lose focus with this delay. Maybe start a new game, or even redo everything, and with the errors corrected from that first version. Imagine if the entire game was remade in a better quality, with more time and with more frequent updates? I would think it was wonderful, I would put Nomo on top again

But that would take work, and they're already pulling a decent amount of cash with the current model.

 

[Mr_Sandmanx]

only one thing can save this company:

NOXIAN NIGHT 2

 

[yyunus]

only one thing can save this company:

NOXIAN NIGHT 2

I can say it is the only thing i want...

 

[Petani_online]

Bruh a lot of people complaining for free pirated content

 

[mc loving VI]

I think the mostly of the forum will agree if the redo this game with the rpg maker, what do you think ?

 

[Jinsoyun]

I'm going to be the one who disagrees here. Restarting the project, starting a new game or remaking it in rpg maker would be absolutely useless and it most likely isn't that realistic either.

KoD's development clearly lacks management and planning. Even tho Nomo has an overall direction, in every single patch so far we have seen content being added with a delay or cut and passed on to the next patch. There seem to be plans for what should be in the finished game but for not when and how.

This is made worse by the working speed of some team member(s). It doesn't really matter if it's a lack of free time to work on this game or laziness, the result is the same.

Until these things get fixed, restarting the game or making a new one won't make any difference at best and just give us 1-2 years of absolutely no content followed up by the same pace at worst.

That is, if Hreinn decides to make another project if they decide to shut down this one.

I want to see improvement on the speed of released content, just as everyone else in this thread, but continuing KoD is the best scenario in every case, because either the current problems get carried over to the new project or they get fixed and if they are fixed, then carrying on with KoD doesn't need new foundations and planning to start.

 

[AlienBreeder]

I'm going to be the one who disagrees here. Restarting the project, starting a new game or remaking it in rpg maker would be absolutely useless and it most likely isn't that realistic either.

KoD's development clearly lacks management and planning. Even tho Nomo has an overall direction, in every single patch so far we have seen content being added with a delay or cut and passed on to the next patch. There seem to be plans for what should be in the finished game but for not when and how.

This is made worse by the working speed of some team member(s). It doesn't really matter if it's a lack of free time to work on this game or laziness, the result is the same.

Until these things get fixed, restarting the game or making a new one won't make any difference at best and just give us 1-2 years of absolutely no content followed up by the same pace at worst.

That is, if Hreinn decides to make another project if they decide to shut down this one.

I want to see improvement on the speed of released content, just as everyone else in this thread, but continuing KoD is the best scenario in every case, because either the current problems get carried over to the new project or they get fixed and if they are fixed, then carrying on with KoD doesn't need new foundations and planning to start.

I may be wrong here, but I think they're takin' the piss. (Remaking it or RPG maker.)

 

[souldead341]

I may be wrong here, but I think they're takin' the piss. (Remaking it or RPG maker.)

I can see advantages to having done it in RPG maker from the beginning (namely having a lot of the mechanics they had to code into renpy native or available as free addons online). But yeah, I hoipe it was a joke about taking literally years to redo the game so far in RPGmaker, seeing as the coding seems to be (one of) the frequent causes of the delays (IIRC it's a common excuse they give). Hell, you can see what happens to an ambitious project when they redo it in a new engine with Malise and the Machine. Last had a release of a version in 2018 (unless there's some release not posted here or updated on their patreon front page), though still being "worked on" in a new engine according to the developer.

 

[dzd1121]

I don't find RPGmaker to be a better engine for most games. A ton of RPGmaker games just wind up having tons of empty space and useless walking. Unless a major part of the game is to have random combat, I prefer Renpy or any other engine.

 

[AlienBreeder]

I think dzd1121 has the right of it: having played a tonne of Japanese (completed) RPGmaker games of varying quality, after a while if I'm playing an RPGmaker game that I'm not hugely into or I'm not in the mood or I simply don't find appealing, my mind can't help but start to see the negatives - the most common one being an abundance of empty space. Having done a course in game design myself (straightens tie), it's draw as an engine is it's so damn simple to use that any man and his dog can whack out a half-playable game in no time, without a huge amount of effort to boot.
Now, having had income and data (live in the middle of nowhere so my signal is very poor) for a while - though very specifically I've been playing KoD since 0.1.3 or so - I've been on F95 more often, and I find myself drawn more often to Ren'Py games, knowing that while there mightn' be an abundance of sex scenes, the downtime between them isn't arduous.

Of course with that said, KoD is the first Ren'Py game I've come across with a sort of navigation system (navigable map) - which I think is kinda cool and isn't a detractor for me. Although I am in the minority (I believe) of KoD fans who didn't think Noxian Nights was the bees knees (though I don't play League of Legends) so I'm not biased towards RPGmaker with that in mind, the biggest draw from me from a... lusty perspective... is that I come from an erotica background: young me thought people porn was amazing, but word porn?! Stuff makes me cum like a dragon. I'm not overly fussed by the artwork - certainly pleased when it's good - but so long as the writing is at an acceptable level I'm not really given to complaining.

But at the end of the day, what should be kept in mind is that the KoD gang don't peruse F95 (I think), and the RPGmaker remake was 'suggested' by a user.

[As an addendum about Malise and the Machine: there's a boatload of negativity on that thread which doesn't need to migrate over here, but I consider it... highly unlikely, it's being worked on in the meantime. I am under the impression that that team began Onyx as a way to raise funds (among any developer a tactic I find peculiar) for MatM's redesign, however Onyx has now taken centre stage. And both exits.]

 

[gzrtjhgtyhjljk]

I don't find RPGmaker to be a better engine for most games. A ton of RPGmaker games just wind up having tons of empty space and useless walking. Unless a major part of the game is to have random combat, I prefer Renpy or any other engine.

Exactly. Noxian Nights failed miserably on that point: poorly designed maps, lots of useless walking, empty world, terrible battles and balancing. Kingdom of Deception is a huge step up from Noxian Nights in my opinion and I think they should keep making games in Ren'Py. And I say that without even considering how outdated the RPGmaker engine is compared to Ren'Py.