VN Ren'Py Abandoned Last Call [v0.4] [Thunderline Studios]

[MrFriendly]

When did she sleep with this dude? Damn. I guess I gotta play the games I make more.

Personally, you guys said it isn't NTR so it isn't NTR. IMO I don't think it is NTR because we have no real time or story invested in the ex-girlfriend, when it comes to Kelly Jo it was made very clear from the beginning that she was just looking for a fuck. In addition, at no point (that I can recall) do we actually see her with someone else. When it comes to the tag on F95 the NTR tag is meant for situations where the player or MC is meant to feel jealousy. I don't see how anyone can feel jealous in those two situations. But people are going to complain no matter what you do...

 

[BisonFan02]

Holy shit some of you guys. Haha. If you don't like the fact that KJ is a cougar that sleeps around like a neighborhood bicycle....she's a 100% avoidable character.

 

[FemdomN7]

Well there's people who will complain, Others will think they're right just cause they are the dev's asslickers but end of the day this is a forum a place where people talk about the game, not necesarily good things. And even though being "very clear" that Kelly Jo was just looking for a fuck doesn't make her character magically good. Disliked her being a hoe?Yes, but can't change the game so i just share my thoughts and move on to a better game.

 

[BisonFan02]

Well there's people who will complain, Others will think they're right just cause they are the dev's asslickers but end of the day this is a forum a place where people talk about the game, not necesarily good things. And even though being "very clear" that Kelly Jo was just looking for a fuck doesn't make her character magically good. Disliked her being a hoe?Yes, but can't change the game so i just share my thoughts and move on to a better game.

Bye.

 

[Ragnar]

Right now there is zero NTR in the game, period.

 

[BisonFan02]

Right now there is zero NTR in the game, period.

But....as with many threads here that get spammed with that topic....this game has NPC males and/or female characters that aren't falling over themselves to be with the MC....which will never be acceptable to a certain crowd of "special" players.

 

[MrFriendly]

But....as with many threads here that get spammed with that topic....this game has NPC males and/or female characters that aren't falling over themselves to be with the MC....which will never be acceptable to a certain crowd of "special" players.

Yeah, any game that actually has a story that is somewhat believable and has other male characters in it is going to get this type of discussion eventually. Too many people want to see these games as only quick fap harem fuck fests and not as "adult visual novels", with plots, that some developers are trying to create (and which I particularly enjoy). At this point I employ the ignore option liberally.

 

[BisonFan02]

Yeah, any game that actually has a story that is somewhat believable and has other male characters in it is going to get this type of discussion eventually. Too many people want to see these games as only quick fap harem fuck fests and not as "adult visual novels", with plots, that some developers are trying to create (and which I particularly enjoy). At this point I employ the ignore option liberally.

Unfortunately, I'm a glutton for punishment and joking with these whiners is like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[FemdomN7]

You guys complain about people complaining, maybe it's hard to see the hypocrisy ? At least when we complain about the game we talk about what we think of the game, we don't try be an ass by trying to change the views of the others or saying if you don't like don't play. We share our opinions while you guys try to "correct us" or disprove us instead of sharing what you think of the game, in the end who's the one who spams a thread with complains. I think it's not so hard to figure this one out.

 

[BisonFan02]

You guys complain about people complaining, maybe it's hard to see the hypocrisy ? At least when we complain about the game we talk about what we think of the game, we don't try be an ass by trying to change the views of the others or saying if you don't like don't play. We share our opinions while you guys try to "correct us" or disprove us instead of sharing what you think of the game, in the end who's the one who spams a thread with complains. I think it's not so hard to figure this one out.

I'm not complaining and I don't need as much of a wall of text to discredit this common fallacy some of you guys have with story based VNs.

Also, I thought you were done here? Haha

 

[FemdomN7]

I'm not complaining and I don't need as much of a wall of text to discredit this common fallacy some of you guys have with story based VNs.

hahah of course you don't need a wall of text to discredit, but up until now you haven't accomplished it yet, so maybe that's what's missing?

Also, I thought you were done here? Haha

I said when i don't like a game i move on for a better one, never said that i was done with this thread. Maybe not just your "discredit" about our "complainings" is flawed, your reading is as well

 

[Maviarab]

You're right it's not NTR, still don't change the fact that making a LI still see other guys killed the game completely for me. As for the girlfriend they will probably explain something but i doubt there's any good explanation that i would swallow. Maybe something acceptable but she can use internet to post pictures but not to text to me? Don't think there will be a satisfactory explanation

Kelly Jo isn't an LI...she a fuck buddy and no more. And let me tell you, even if it hurts lil guy...fuck buddies are not monogonous commited relationships usually. You're free to fuck around....so therefore so is she, or is that not allowed in your little world? You can do what you like but she has to be a faithful serving FWB?

 

[Aristos]

Fiona this, KJ that...
If people just focused on best girl Morgan or second-best girl Annie this kind of bickering wouldn't happen.

Also NTR? Really? Where's the NTR?
I'm glad the only relative in the equation is the MC's uncle, otherwise there would be a bunch of people demanding some family action.

 

[erkper]

Fiona this, KJ that...
If people just focused on best girl Morgan or second-best girl Annie this kind of bickering wouldn't happen.

Also NTR? Really? Where's the NTR?
I'm glad the only relative in the equation is the MC's uncle, otherwise there would be a bunch of people demanding some family action.

Your best girl order is backward but otherwise, solid post.

Don't like that Kelly Jo is a cougar? Maybe don't fuck her then, it's not like she doesn't give you every opportunity to not put your dick in her. As for Fiona, here I'm calling dev shenanigans. ITRoy, you know damn well you wrote the story so that EVERYONE, from the player to MC, his uncle, the cook, Annie, Morgan, and every other named character would assume/believe Fiona was cheating on MC. Don't play it off now that we're all just jumping to crazy conclusions. True you have not actually SHOWN any NTR (and true the game should not have the NTR tag) but come on... your gamesmanship is weak.

 

[BisonFan02]

Your best girl order is backward but otherwise, solid post.

Don't like that Kelly Jo is a cougar? Maybe don't fuck her then, it's not like she doesn't give you every opportunity to not put your dick in her. As for Fiona, here I'm calling dev shenanigans. ITRoy, you know damn well you wrote the story so that EVERYONE, from the player to MC, his uncle, the cook, Annie, Morgan, and every other named character would assume/believe Fiona was cheating on MC. Don't play it off now that we're all just jumping to crazy conclusions. True you have not actually SHOWN any NTR (and true the game should not have the NTR tag) but come on... your gamesmanship is weak.

Shenanigans....and it it is 100% speculation at this point anyway. It would actually make sense if Fi fell into the arms temporarily of another dude out of anger/frustration....feel remorse....and her/MC reconcile...she forgives MC for a transgression or two as well for a game path? Heads would probably explode here if that was the case.

 

[Aristos]

Your best girl order is backward but otherwise, solid post.

Don't like that Kelly Jo is a cougar? Maybe don't fuck her then, it's not like she doesn't give you every opportunity to not put your dick in her. As for Fiona, here I'm calling dev shenanigans. ITRoy, you know damn well you wrote the story so that EVERYONE, from the player to MC, his uncle, the cook, Annie, Morgan, and every other named character would assume/believe Fiona was cheating on MC. Don't play it off now that we're all just jumping to crazy conclusions. True you have not actually SHOWN any NTR (and true the game should not have the NTR tag) but come on... your gamesmanship is weak.

When it comes to discussing NTR sometimes it feels like putting your head in the lion's mouth but here I go.

I agree with what you said about the dev's knowing exactly what any player would think as soon as the Fiona drama started. There's no doubt about that. Every single player thought "she's cheating on him!", although I remember writing this summer that we should be cautious and wait. But yeah, when I saw her attitude and those pics I initially thought the same as everyone else.

However, as a player I don't feel Fiona's situation as NTR because I never got to interact with her nor did I have the time to become attached to her. For me, so far she's just a memory from the MC's past presented to us through brief flashbacks.
I can relate to the MC's pain and surely from his viewpoint it's NTR, but from mine I never had any opportunity to pursue her as a love interest and therefore I don't get the feeling of defeat or jealousy that comes from losing the girl you were with or you were interested in.
As I see it, it would be NTR if Morgan or Annie were involved with some other guy because we've had the opportunity to develop a connection with them. We've made decisions regarding both and have had the opportunity to fool around with them. That's what matters to talk about NTR in a game, not the fact that the MC is cheated on by a certain character who happens to be the MC's gf or wife but whom we've never even met.

 

[Maviarab]

When it comes to discussing NTR sometimes it feels like putting your head in the lion's mouth but here I go.

I agree with what you said about the dev's knowing exactly what any player would think as soon as the Fiona drama started. There's no doubt about that. Every single player thought "she's cheating on him!", although I remember writing this summer that we should be cautious and wait. But yeah, when I saw her attitude and those pics I initially thought the same as everyone else.

However, as a player I don't feel Fiona's situation as NTR because I never got to interact with her nor did I have the time to become attached to her. For me, so far she's just a memory from the MC's past presented to us through brief flashbacks.
I can relate to the MC's pain and surely from his viewpoint it's NTR, but from mine I never had any opportunity to pursue her as a love interest and therefore I don't get the feeling of defeat or jealousy that comes from losing the girl you were with or you were interested in.
As I see it, it would be NTR if Morgan or Annie were involved with some other guy because we've had the opportunity to develop a connection with them. We've made decisions regarding both and have had the opportunity to fool around with them. That's what matters to talk about NTR in a game, not the fact that the MC is cheated on by a certain character who happens to be the MC's gf or wife but whom we've never even met.

Exactly this..great post. At this point in time..>Fiona isn't really an LI at all is she?

 

[erkper]

As I see it, it would be NTR if Morgan or Annie were involved with some other guy because we've had the opportunity to develop a connection with them. We've made decisions regarding both and have had the opportunity to fool around with them. That's what matters to talk about NTR in a game, not the fact that the MC is cheated on by a certain character who happens to be the MC's gf or wife but whom we've never even met.

This. Agree 100% the Fiona situation is not NTR. A case might be made for Kelly Jo, IF Kelly Jo hadn't specifically made it clear she is NOT a LI.

 

[ninetofive]

Damn, I really wasn't expecting to lose so many brain cells just reading one page of this thread

 

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