Maviarab

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Is there such a thing? Really? PoE was the ultimate grind fest version of the isometric rpg... Like Warframe is to third person shooters.

There's a history to why I hate grindy games, even grindy games that reward me with porn.
Indeed, grinding almost never make sense in any game. If I wanted to do boring, mindless stuff over and over and over again, I will just get a job that pays me to do that.
Yeah, I'll do that. (I expect this whole conversation to get the mod vanishing act soon).

I really don't think there's more than 1 or 2 sandbox games that I play on here. Just not worth it as I feel they sacrifice story for "freedom". I am so glad I found Leap of Faith, Intertwined, etc... These have great stories which makes the sex more meaningful, none of the wham, bam, thank you ma'am that a lot of games have.
All the above and more. Understand grind and sandbox even less on a VN...just...why? What is the point other than trying to make a cheap version of something already out there with a proper engine etc? To me just highlights how little story there actually is to pad it all out with crap that consumes 70% of your actual time 'playing'. I see sandbox here and usually just skip it straight away (regardless of how amazing the story might be).
 

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All the above and more. Understand grind and sandbox even less on a VN...just...why? What is the point other than trying to make a cheap version of something already out there with a proper engine etc? To me just highlights how little story there actually is to pad it all out with crap that consumes 70% of your actual time 'playing'. I see sandbox here and usually just skip it straight away (regardless of how amazing the story might be).
Especially don't understand it when it takes longer to program, is more difficult to program (supposedly), and the games don't have enough content to justify the "freedom". I love Leap of Faith, I enjoy the story, and I don't see how adding sandbox would help tell the story (for those skimming Leap of Faith is not going to be sandbox). I don't believe any game is better with sandbox. Every one of the sandbox games would be better if they weren't sandbox.
 

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Especially don't understand it when it takes longer to program, is more difficult to program (supposedly), and the games don't have enough content to justify the "freedom". I love Leap of Faith, I enjoy the story, and I don't see how adding sandbox would help tell the story (for those skimming Leap of Faith is not going to be sandbox). I don't believe any game is better with sandbox. Every one of the sandbox games would be better if they weren't sandbox.
What about free roam in BADIK? Personally I quite enjoy it, gives a bit of variation to the gameplay and adds to the immersion with the phone elements etc.
 
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What about free roam in BADIK? Personally I quite enjoy it, gives a bit of variation to the gameplay and adds to the immersion with the phone elements etc.
Free roam doesn't really do much for me. I don't care about finding the pictures, I didn't like watering all the plants so that Bella would like the MC more, etc. I admit the BaDiK free roam is the least egregious form of it but I would rather have conversations with the characters to advance my character's relationships and get to know the other characters better.
 
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Free roam doesn't really do much for me. I don't care about finding the pictures, I didn't like watering all the plants so that Bella would like the MC more, etc. I admit the BaDiK free roam is the least egregious form of it but I would rather have conversations with the characters to advance my character's relationships and get to know the other characters better.
Haha true, to be fair the watering plants was one of the poorer implementations of it. But yeah I do enjoy the breaks from just constantly clicking through slides and reading. Like I said mostly for the phone content which definitely adds some realism to the game and there's a lot of funny shit in there too.

LoF has a decent implementation of the phone stuff too, although it's a bit less clear when there's stuff to do on there on a few occasions.
 
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Haha true, to be fair the watering plants was one of the poorer implementations of it. But yeah I do enjoy the breaks from just constantly clicking through slides and reading. Like I said mostly for the phone content which definitely adds some realism to the game and there's a lot of funny shit in there too.

LoF has a decent implementation of the phone stuff too, although it's a bit less clear when there's stuff to do on there on a few occasions.
I like the phone stuff in games, I think that devs should have that in more games. We all spend so much fucking time on our phones irl that seeing a MC who never checks their phone is amusing. But watering plants, searching for money, and all of that doesn't help me feel immersed in a game.
 

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Leap of Faith - Chapter 4 - Part 1
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  • Added 1011 static renders
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  • 5500 new lines of script/dialogue
  • about 60 minutes of playtime for one route
  • at least 3 playthroughs needed

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You're going to be disappointed though... This isn't a harem game but you can enjoy it while it lasts!
I really hope you're wrong because I'm getting really sick of games pulling this. You play the entire game with no consequences to having a relationship with everyone and then get smacked in the face by the choice hammer at the end...it is to me a bait and switch.

If a Dev has no plan to allow a harem then the player SHOULD face consequences for being a whore throughout...trying to have it both ways is really shitty. Honestly I've basically sworn off these kind of games because of their deceptive nature.
 

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Just finished a play through and I've got to say how good that update was. The music combined with the writing is so well done when dealing with all the drama in this update. The small free roam mini game was also good since unlike being a DIK I wasn't wandering around confused.
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Maviarab

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I really hope you're wrong because I'm getting really sick of games pulling this. You play the entire game with no consequences to having a relationship with everyone and then get smacked in the face by the choice hammer at the end...it is to me a bait and switch.

If a Dev has no plan to allow a harem then the player SHOULD face consequences for being a whore throughout...trying to have it both ways is really shitty. Honestly I've basically sworn off these kind of games because of their deceptive nature.
How is it deceptive when there is no tag nor is it mentioned in genre spoiler tab?
 

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I really hope you're wrong because I'm getting really sick of games pulling this. You play the entire game with no consequences to having a relationship with everyone and then get smacked in the face by the choice hammer at the end...it is to me a bait and switch.

If a Dev has no plan to allow a harem then the player SHOULD face consequences for being a whore throughout...trying to have it both ways is really shitty. Honestly I've basically sworn off these kind of games because of their deceptive nature.
You can do whatever you want IRL too and face those consequences later. I see no difference. Not all games are going to be "gotta fuck em all" simulators.
 

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I really hope you're wrong because I'm getting really sick of games pulling this. You play the entire game with no consequences to having a relationship with everyone and then get smacked in the face by the choice hammer at the end...it is to me a bait and switch.

If a Dev has no plan to allow a harem then the player SHOULD face consequences for being a whore throughout...trying to have it both ways is really shitty. Honestly I've basically sworn off these kind of games because of their deceptive nature.
What you are saying is essentially wrong in my opinion.

First, there is no reason why you should face consequences sooner or later. Different stories can have consequences in different moments. If at all, although I would argue that choices without consequences are not worth choices having. But that is a different matter.

Second, before MC actually sets up in a relationship with each girl, you can expect no real "consequences" of being a whore, even in real life most people would agree that before the relationship is actually established, what you do is your own. Some would still complain, and you could have that, but it is that common for "when single, my problem".

Third, just because there are no consequences in the second you make the decision, does not mean you will not get consequences later. So any reasonable person can think for the consequences of their actions a bit longer than the rest minute, so it should in the end be the same: don't wanna be slap in the face, don't be an asshole.

I am not saying a harem is not possible here (I personally really don't see it possible, at least for now, at most some three way relationships with some characters), but there is no reason why the structure of the game cannot be heaven today, hell tomorrow. In fact, that is usually done on purpose, to make the fall feel even greater. It is what Acting Lessons essentially does, although in a different way not related to MC being a whore.
 
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