Depression is a bitch. If it's anywhere close to portraying reality, it wouldn't matter if one were on Cece's path. Either way she would try jumping again.
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- Apr 7, 2021
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Wow! That trailer was so sad. Great job creating a story that invokes true emotions.
- May 8, 2018
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Very true. Either way, can't wait to see what happens, less than a month to go, pretty hype!
She's chosen to be with you and you've chosen to be with her to the exclusion of the others. We have each other and that's everything we want. She gets out of your shared bed. Goes and writes her note then heads to the bridge. Never wakes you. Doesn't have the courage nor the honesty to speak to you and actually say goodbye. Never considers the pain and guilt her actions will inflict upon you. An act of utter selfishness and dishonesty.
Yup she's depressed and suicidal and despite all your efforts, she never abandoned her "plan". She kept it in reserve, and never told you. She never told you the truth. Suicidal behavior is a cross section of deep self love and self hate. She is solely the most important thing in her world and at the same time she hates, and is perhaps disgusted by, herself.
This scene is so emotional for the players because we feel like it's our fault she's going to kill herself. Nestled in the shared bed. Dreaming of life with this amazing woman who we love beyond any other. Helpless to intervene as she acts to destroy everything we thought we'd saved. Except the relationship is a lie and there is a vindictiveness present in her actions as well.
Desperate people do desperate things, but at some point you have to accept that they'll never be trustworthy. Whether we save her yet again or not, it's over.
- Nov 14, 2020
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I don't know if I can agree with your last paragraph, But I am still feeling a bit raw as that preview hit me hard.
- Sep 20, 2018
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That's my big question, too. All the more so because I've found romancing Cece rather unpleasant precisely because her path seems determined to ignore all these serious problems in favor of the Power of Love. I can't believe Cece will only return to the bridge if you're on her path, but at the same time wouldn't this event completely upstage any other girl no matter what they do?
Honestly, I'm not really happy about this trailer. There's more than a little truth in the idea that Cece's suicidal tendencies could easily resurface, but I question how the narrative is improved by pointing that out so directly when there's only 2 more episodes after this. If you insist on opening a can of worms that big, how on earth are we going to satisfactorily get all those worms back in the can afterwards? And if we don't, where does that leave Cece when all is said and done?
We'll just have to hope for the best, I guess. At least we know how long we'll have to wait for the next shoe to drop.
ASSuming the trailer accurately reflects the next steps in her path, Cece's suicidal tendencies haven't just resurfaced, she's acting on them. Grab her up and go to court to get her forcibly committed (which in some states is almost impossible) as a danger to herself. Let the professionals try to help her. Then ask yourself if you are really up for the road ahead, because the overwhelming odds are that the next time or the time after that she's going to succeed. If you have any sense of your own survival, walk away.
"Don't stick your dick in crazy' is good advice and men apply it based on far less damaging behavior than this level of self destruction. There are suicide attempts that are a "call for help or attention". Then there are attempts which have pretty close to a 100% success rate. Jumping off the golden gate bridge is an example of the latter. Cece picked a method with as sure a fatality rate as any known to man. This isn't taking a bunch of pills and then calling the hot line. This isn't cutting her wrists and waiting to be found. She's NOT calling for help, nor is she seeking attention. She's actively looking to end her life with as much certainty as possible.
Investing your love, commitment, and emotional future in a life with someone this self destructive is equally self destructive.
- Apr 16, 2020
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The trailer is just too intense to be true. As long as nothing else is known, I assume a nightmare from which the MC then wakes up bathed in sweat and Cece still sleeps gently next to him.
Hope springs eternal.
Hope springs eternal.
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Going from that trailer, I guess I will not be resuming any other routes besides Cece's, my heart skipped a few beats and my anxiety shot through the roof. I need a smoke now -_- 
- Nov 14, 2020
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I have never smoked but I might need to join you!Going from that trailer, I guess I will not be resuming any other routes besides Cece's, my heart skipped a few beats and my anxiety shot through the roof. I need a smoke now -_-
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I thought I'd start this update by talking a bit about the release date video.
I know there's been some comments about the video, and how Cece could go behind the MC's back and attempt to do such a thing when they seemingly had a perfect time together (especially if you were on her path). I also know that some feel betrayed by her doing so.
LoF is inspired by five words someone very close to me said before she ended her own life. Because of it, LoF addresses some things connected to depression, not just to Cece. Though in her case, she's obviously the most affected by it. To claim that a nice summer with some good friends is going to 'cure' her is highly unlikely.
So, in order for me to change her mindset and behaviour, and give you a feeling that her ending is a realistic one - and that the MC (or you, as a player) won't have to worry that she will fall back for the rest of his life, I had to introduce a horrible event. That event is meant to change her thought process completely.
It's also strongly connected to the title of the game.
Also, I'd like to mention that Chapter 6 is not at all a depressing chapter, even if that event puts some shadow on it. But it's an important chapter in our journey towards the 8th and final one.
Other than that, we're now at 15,068 animated frames, and 1,128 story renders. I probably went a but nuts with that animation at the end of the video, but when I did the render test, it rendered so fast I decided to go with it, and it saved me a lot of story renders.
Anyway, it's been a busy week. Time to kick back for a few hours and enjoy a nice cold one.
Have a nice weekend, and stay safe.
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- Feb 7, 2021
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Damn, the day right before my birthday haha. I hope we can save Cece no matter what because she is not my main romance but I do like her character alot. But I have nothing but respect for moments like this in VN just like (Acting Lessons) makes me more connected to the characters. Now if you don't mind I'm going to go tear up a bit because of that trailer
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Woohoo! Drifty gave us a lot of info this week, but I think we can all agree the most important by far is getting back to posting render counts, am I right?
Right?
Anyone?? Just me then?
Well, whatever. I'm going through solid numbers withdrawal so I'm updating my charts anyway!
Drifty completed 120 story renders and 3144 frames of animation in the last two weeks. That brings his overall story average down to 81 story renders per week, but the overall animation average up to 1076 frames per week. Here are the charts:
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As for Cece, as much as I agree with him that depression is not something easily banished and Cece's relapse is extremely plausible, realism isn't always better than fantasy. I'm still skeptical Drifty will be able to pull off a satisfactory resolution to Cece's story after this (to say nothing of the other girls). But if he does manage to pull that off, there's no question the story will be much stronger for it and my hat will be off to him. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
- Jan 26, 2021
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As someone who has attempted suicide a dozen times (mostly ODs) I honestly don't know if I can do the next chapter if Cece does what it seems she will. Just watching the trailer I felt a heavy weight in my stomach and I was almost in tears. I honestly completely don't know if I am going to be able to play this next update. I share a lot of issues with Cece and I know two other games that have fucked me up emotionally (AL being one of them) for many days.
I think, for me, it's going to be MUCH worse with what's coming. That's great if it changes her mindset on the other side of it, but not great for me personally if it makes me think about all the times I've attempted it and barely came out alive on the other side of my many ODs. I love this game so much and Cece especially, but I'm going to have to have a long think before I even consider trying the upcoming update.
I think, for me, it's going to be MUCH worse with what's coming. That's great if it changes her mindset on the other side of it, but not great for me personally if it makes me think about all the times I've attempted it and barely came out alive on the other side of my many ODs. I love this game so much and Cece especially, but I'm going to have to have a long think before I even consider trying the upcoming update.
- May 8, 2018
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Hey man, that sucks to hear, hope you're doing better now.
Not forcing you on anything, but Drifty mentioned in the dev update that this isn't going to a really depressing episode, and by the looks of the trailer, MC catches her again before she falls down, so I think we should be good
Either way, if you're not feeling good about it, then no point in trying it, just hope you feel better.
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Did the previous video accurately reflect on the story? Nope, ...and there's your answer.
These videos are done to up the ante and get people hyped for the next release. It's a marketing strategy and brilliantly done so. I wouldn't read too much into it tho.
So Drifty should understand the difference between people who jump off bridges or swallow the barrel of a shotgun and people who "take a slower way out". Jumpers and shooters almost always succeed. Both sexes jump, the vast majority of shooters are male.
We've all seen movies where the jumper is outside the window on the 40th floor in the middle of the morning or afternoon and someone talks them back inside or the firemen spread the air bag to catch them. That kind of jumper may be in the category of "asking for help". Someone who jumps in the middle of the night is NOT seeking help.
He's placed Cece firmly in the hardest category of suicides to save. They have an extremely poor survival rate. Crafting a remotely believable storyline that saves her if that video stands one hell of a challenge.
I'm just offering the following opinion. Don't send her to the bridge. Have the MC awake before she leaves and intervene. There can be plenty of drama in that scene which drives her to therapy and him to understand the challenges they face going forward.
She jumped. She looked down and jumped. By the time he caught her she's already committed suicide. Get it? Understand the difference? He didn't save her from her choice to kill herself, he just prevented her success.
Drifty wanted to "introduce a horrible event". Got it. Powerful dramatic moment that all of us react to with very strong emotions. Here's the problem, Cece didn't have a sudden impulse. She always had a plan. Nothing about that event would change her mindset. For her it wasn't a 'horrible event", it was a choice. One that she considered for some time before she acted. If you treat it honestly she'll be furious about his catching her. For God's sake, she decide to abandon him, in the harshest possible way.
I love this game and the last thing I want to do is delay its progress, but rethink what we saw in that video.
I can see that you do not understand the mindset of a depressed suicidal person. I am far from an expert in the field nor can I truly appreciate how it feels. I do know from many years of experience that the thought processes of a suicidal person are complex and not easily broken down into everyday language. While every troubled person is different, the way Cece is portrayed rings very true to life from my direct experiences over many many years with this type of scenario.
I have had to save someone multiple times; that someone was horrified by what they have done each time. Its not a rational choice to kill yourself. There is generally no clever plan laid out, they are overcome by their illness and will do what ever is easily accessible, whether it be drugs, blades, heights, traffic or trains.
Without help they will go through a cycle of recovery and relapse. Sometimes they will seek help themselves but often it takes an intervention or dramatic event involving others they care about to trigger the start of the long journey to manage their illness (I have seen this happen).
It is not a choice to be mentally ill. That person will never be "cured" and well again in the form that we generally might understand. But they can learn to manage their illness and lead a fulfilling life with love, family and friends. Love is a powerful counter balance to the demons that live within some of us, and finding that love can be like a light in an dark and scary place. Its still a scary place, but there is a bright point that can be focused on to keep the darkness at bay.
People may not like it, it may be too close to the reality for some (as I see in the comments) but I think it is a unique exploration of this subject in the VN format.
I hope Drifty continues the story as planned as he seems to have an insight and some empathy for those in this situation.
Thank you Drifty.
As it happens I have decades of experience dealing with clinically depressed people. Objectivity is critically important in assessing and understanding the individual cases with which you must deal. In a way, you unknowingly support my point.
First, I never suggested that any mental impairment or illness is a choice. Please do not infer that I did. The decision to kill one's self is a choice, but it is not choosing to be ill.
Your efforts to help those you've encounter is commendable. However, I highly doubt that you've encountered many if any people who you saved AFTER THEY JUMPED. Assuming it's from a sufficient height there is no recovery or repetition from jumping. You fail to recognize that she committed suicide only to be thwarted by the MC's intervention. It's a fantasy that the MC caught her in time, a one in ten thousand chance, a plot device. Those who jump in isolation pretty much always succeed, and they jump in isolation for a reason.
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