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even in a perfectly spherical road free of all blemishes you have traffic lights, corners, intersections and the desire to eat a hoagie after a few hours on the road)
How the hell do you get corners on a perfectly spherical road? Also how are corners and Intersections separate things? isn't an intersection of two roads the very thing that creates a corner? I'm confused! I guess I need more of the drugs that no one bothered to shared with talion777 to figure this out.
 
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(here they're called subs but I also have family/friends in places they're called hoagies or even grinders)
I have heard them called grinders, but I can't do that. For me the word Grinder will forever be associated with the mile square chunk of asphalt we did PT on at the Naval Boot Camp in Orlando, Florida when I was there in Fall of '93. So whenever I hear the term "Grinder" I am instantly transported back to the one place on Earth that I most closely associate with a literal manifestation of a biblical hell.
 
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That's the

how are corners and Intersections separate things?
Every time a road goes in a direction that is not straight and forces you to turn, it is a corner. Contrary to nascar ovals, cars do in fact turn in multiple directions. I hope you learned something.
 

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If there was no traffic, they wouldn't build so many lanes to finally, eventually, solve traffic for real this time! Not like all those other times they ignored the Jevons Paradox.

(To get to the actual point though, average journey time is not the same as speed limits because even in a perfectly spherical road free of all blemishes you have traffic lights, corners, intersections and the desire to eat a hoagie after a few hours on the road)
I defy anyone to give me an example of a spherical road. :unsure:
 

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That's the


Every time a road goes in a direction that is not straight and forces you to turn, it is a corner. Contrary to nascar ovals, cars do in fact turn in multiple directions. I hope you learned something.
Yep I learned something about you!

All I know about corners I learned from Creedence Clearwater Revival, they know all about Corners. That's where Willy and the Poor Boys play.

 

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Every time a road goes in a direction that is not straight and forces you to turn, it is a corner. Contrary to nascar ovals, cars do in fact turn in multiple directions. I hope you learned something.
A curve isn't a corner.

A corner is usually at an intersection - sometimes that intersection is an ending of one road and the beginning of another road going to the right or the left, or both.

If you consider a curve a corner, I suspect someone dropped you on your noggin as a small child.
 

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A curve isn't a corner.

A corner is usually at an intersection - sometimes that intersection is an ending of one road and the beginning of another road going to the right or the left, or both.

If you consider a curve a corner, I suspect someone dropped you on your noggin as a small child.
A curve could be presumably be any type of turn that isn't at exactly a right angle and is less than 90 degrees, so if we remember our calculus we could use pretty much any value for an angle that approaches a right angle but isn't a right angle and still call it a curve because it's rounded, no matter how infinitesimally. I would submit to you that most municipal workers in most cities have likely built curves rather than corners and that we have an almost limitless potential for lemonade stands, gas stations, brothels, or what have you at curves that resemble corners, but that aren't actually corners, and that curves on municipal roads vastly outnumber actual corners. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: (there is of course a flaw in this reasoning if we remember our geometry, but it's still fun to consider anyway, and everyone knows municipal workers are incompetent, so.... lol)
 

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A curve isn't a corner.

A corner is usually at an intersection - sometimes that intersection is an ending of one road and the beginning of another road going to the right or the left, or both.

If you consider a curve a corner, I suspect someone dropped you on your noggin as a small child.
I almost said exactly the same thing, but I changed my post because what I had written wasn't phrased as nicely as you put it. I wonder if the confusion is because the term for making a sharp turn is "cornering" not curving... but that still doesn't make a curve into a corner.

I do my best to be as cordial as possible on here, even though I was raised on the proverb that "If you can't say something nice...."

"SAY SOMETHING MEAN REAL LOUD!" :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

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I almost said exactly the same thing, but I changed my post because what I had written wasn't phrased as nicely as you put it. I wonder if the confusion is because the term for making a sharp turn is "cornering" not curving... but that still doesn't make a curve into a corner.

I do my best to be as cordial as possible on here, even though I was raised on the proverb that "If you can't say something nice...."

"SAY SOMETHING MEAN REAL LOUD!" :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
There's always "kill them with kindness."

In an unrelated thought, maybe I'll have "Bondad" engraved on my Vaquero .44M...:unsure:
 

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Honestly, I would say do Lexi next and do all of the extras if you know them, like contact Lexi before she calls you when you are with Kira, start the party on the plane, etc.
And, my recommendation is that you make a save point when you first meet Holly at Lexi's place and she pulls you to the side and asks how you feel about Lexi, because one of the options is to flirt with Holly at that point. Then later you can play the Lexi/Holly path from that point forward without starting all over.

(to be honest, if you make a save point when Chris asks you how you feel about Steph in the clothing store, you can pretty much start all future routes from that point if you want a quicker/shorter game.
Sorry to interrupt with talk about the game, lol, but I'm finally doing the final preparations to start the next playthrough (Lexi). One more question:

Should I turn on the Extra Content option from the DLC? I haven't played with it on yet but I'm tempted here (not sure how much it changes).

I was also planning to do certain things a bit differently than I did the first time around to see what changes and minimize extra time spent a bit (like stop Steph, not bringing Steph back, rejecting Kira and Robin but possibly also telling them I'm not okay with two girls together - which is really messed up lol, and setting Chris up with someone besides Linda, or no one, or someone that will fail but I don't think I can do that to my boy) but I either don't know if I have the heart to go through with some of them, don't necessarily want to do them in this route or certain future routes, or the worst possible offender - there's a Steam achievement influencing me :FacePalm: ... so I guess I'm likely to make choices to appease all these disparate things as best I can and just wait for a different playthrough to try some of the other choices. We'll have to see which wins out, me wanting to have the story be the way I like it, me wanting to see different outcomes, or me giving in to evil Steam achievement OCD, meh.

Regardless, starting up the game again felt like coming home. :D
 

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Sorry to interrupt with talk about the game, lol, but I'm finally doing the final preparations to start the next playthrough (Lexi). One more question:

Should I turn on the Extra Content option from the DLC? I haven't played with it on yet but I'm tempted here (not sure how much it changes).

I was also planning to do certain things a bit differently than I did the first time around to see what changes and minimize extra time spent a bit (like stop Steph, not bringing Steph back, rejecting Kira and Robin but possibly also telling them I'm not okay with two girls together - which is really messed up lol, and setting Chris up with someone besides Linda, or no one, or someone that will fail but I don't think I can do that to my boy) but I either don't know if I have the heart to go through with some of them, don't necessarily want to do them in this route or certain future routes, or the worst possible offender - there's a Steam achievement influencing me :FacePalm: ... so I guess I'm likely to make choices to appease all these disparate things as best I can and just wait for a different playthrough to try some of the other choices. We'll have to see which wins out, me wanting to have the story be the way I like it, me wanting to see different outcomes, or me giving in to evil Steam achievement OCD, meh.

Regardless, starting up the game again felt like coming home. :D
Don't worry about whether you should do this or that, just do whatever you want to do. If that doesn't work out then play it a different way the next time. The game has lots of options. Chris can only go with Linda or Holly though, so that's your choice there. Fine tune with guidance if you feel you need to but the fun in the game (or any game) is the exploration. If you're following directions/guides explicitly then you might as well simply be reading the game instead of playing it. As for Steam achievements well, you can already see the evil in it. I honestly, truly don't understand why someone will tack on hours of a game, following paths you have no interest in, just to be a Steam completist, but I allow as to how different folks/strokes, whatever. i have better things to do with my time, like discussing road and traffic structure with you fine folk. lol :)
 
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Sorry to interrupt with talk about the game, lol, but I'm finally doing the final preparations to start the next playthrough (Lexi). One more question:

Should I turn on the Extra Content option from the DLC? I haven't played with it on yet but I'm tempted here (not sure how much it changes).

I was also planning to do certain things a bit differently than I did the first time around to see what changes and minimize extra time spent a bit (like stop Steph, not bringing Steph back, rejecting Kira and Robin but possibly also telling them I'm not okay with two girls together - which is really messed up lol, and setting Chris up with someone besides Linda, or no one, or someone that will fail but I don't think I can do that to my boy) but I either don't know if I have the heart to go through with some of them, don't necessarily want to do them in this route or certain future routes, or the worst possible offender - there's a Steam achievement influencing me :FacePalm: ... so I guess I'm likely to make choices to appease all these disparate things as best I can and just wait for a different playthrough to try some of the other choices. We'll have to see which wins out, me wanting to have the story be the way I like it, me wanting to see different outcomes, or me giving in to evil Steam achievement OCD, meh.

Regardless, starting up the game again felt like coming home. :D
If you've played through once, I'd turn everything on (Walkthrough if you want it, Extra content and commentary). But then, I live for commentary.
 
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If you've played through once, I'd turn everything on (Walkthrough if you want it, Extra content and commentary). But then, I live for commentary.
even commentary from ornery/obstreperous/misguided/benighted/crazy fellow posters? You sir, may be a saint. I, on the other hand, may fall into one of those poster categories. Either that, or I'm tragically misunderstood, even by myself. sigh.
 

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even commentary from ornery/obstreperous/misguided/benighted/crazy fellow posters? You sir, may be a saint. I, on the other hand, may fall into one of those poster categories. Either that, or I'm tragically misunderstood, even by myself. sigh.
Well, mostly commentary from creators related to the project, but I've been known to indulge in fan commentary as well ^_^

Seriously though, Drifty's extras and commentary are pretty good.
 
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cheezed

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Curves and corners are used interchangably in many settings, one notable one being in motor racing, where the circuit will generally be divided between significant deviations. You don't hear commentators talk about 'curve numbers,' but rather corners. You can probably split hairs but either way, the point (that there are many things that change actual journey time other than speed limit, including curvature) stands.
 

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Chris can only go with Linda or Holly though
You mean on the Lexi route specifically? I've never been clear on the requirements for getting him and Robin to work out successfully. Is it just that you need to have not slept with her, also have told Kira you weren't okay with her and Robin, or does it only really work out when you've done both and are also on the solo Kira route (assuming that it does there)?

As for Steam achievements well, you can already see the evil in it. I honestly, truly don't understand why someone will tack on hours of a game, following paths you have no interest in, just to be a Steam completist, but I allow as to how different folks/strokes, whatever.
I once had a similar mindset for a period of time regarding gaming in general where I didn't understand why my friends spent as much time/money on gaming as they did (compared to what I thought they could/should be doing) and I tended to mostly only play games socially despite having grown up loving them, and yet here I am now, lol. Perspective is a funny thing.

At this point, more broadly speaking about games in general (not just AVNs), I'm an ex-completionist and achievement hunter in recovery that still struggles with it here and there (especially if it's a game I really care about or enjoy playing and achievements aren't far off from things I'm already intending to do). It was largely fueled by my OCD (so not great for my mental health) and I started to need to reign it in over time as I had less and less time for gaming over the years. Rationally, I can see both the view you hold on it (I'm in a similar mindset these days despite my tendencies) and also understand that the extra layer of gaming/challenge it can provide can be very interesting/satisfying for those that enjoy it (even without OCD). When it becomes more frustrating/bothersome than enjoyable overall is when it may no longer make sense... but then again, people play some types of games that can be extremely frustrating just to play because they get satisfaction out of challenge/accomplishment they can provide, so who knows? As you said, different strokes. ;)

Anyway, I've curbed the completionist tendencies to a large degree and I try to resist caring about achievements at all but a lot of what I end up caring about and to what degree tends to be down to the game (and possibly what the achievements are themselves).

whatabout curves on women? :p
Now you're speaking my language. ;) Don't think I've ever heard one described as having nice corners, lol.
 
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Don't worry about whether you should do this or that, just do whatever you want to do. If that doesn't work out then play it a different way the next time. The game has lots of options. Chris can only go with Linda or Holly though, so that's your choice there. Fine tune with guidance if you feel you need to but the fun in the game (or any game) is the exploration. If you're following directions/guides explicitly then you might as well simply be reading the game instead of playing it. As for Steam achievements well, you can already see the evil in it. I honestly, truly don't understand why someone will tack on hours of a game, following paths you have no interest in, just to be a Steam completist, but I allow as to how different folks/strokes, whatever. i have better things to do with my time, like discussing road and traffic structure with you fine folk. lol :)
The issue with achievements is picking what they should be.

I mean, if you make achievements like "Play X hours" or "complete X route" or "be level X" or whatever they are worthless because people will pick them up without trying. So they just become a meaningless merit badge. And that is where I feel most games fail.

Achievements need to be actual achievements. As in something you would be proud of even if there wasn't a shiny badge on steam telling everyone you did it. That way the badge isn't the goal but just proof of achievement.

So stuff like find all secrets, complete all events with maximum score etc.
 
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