snapturtle34

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The beauty of this AVN is that it defies typical AVN porn logic.

Emmeline and Rockford having sex after only knowing each other for a few weeks comes across as very natural. To get that far, Rockford - via player choices - must conform to the man of her dreams - upstanding, loves children, and values family. Once those things click into place, Emmeline wants Rockford's babies.

Impious Monk set up the mansion scene with Jamie (on her path) wonderfully.

I think a lot of the initial negative feedback stems from players expecting AVN porn logic to come into play with Jamie's reaction, and IM absolutely feed into that expectation with the way he set the whole scene up from the very beginning of the game:

1. Jamie flirting with Rockford so obviously that only dense Rockford couldn't interpret the signals (I think Jamie handcuffing Rockford and having her father hold the shotgun during the wedding is the only way Rockford would have got the message /s).

2. Rockford's friends urging him to date Jamie.

3. Rockford slowly coming round, opening up, and admitting his feelings for Jamie to himself.

4. The interrupted conversation between Jamie and her mother, where Jamie's mother tells her, "Honey, if that's how you really feel then there's only one choice you can really make. You don't want to spend the rest of your life regretting--" [this could reasonably be interpreted as Jamie regretting not pursuing a romantic relationship with Rockford, rather than not taking the job offer]

5. Rockford telling Jamie his true feelings and FINALLY going in for the kiss.

6. Jamie closing her eyes in anticipation of the kiss...

This is the point where most players on the Jamie path expected AVN porn logic to kick in - despite the warning signals sprinkled throughout the AVN - with Jamie kissing Rockford, telling him she's waited on this her entire life, and turning down the job offer. They then fuck repeatedly over subsequent episodes and live happy ever after.

Instead, Impious Monk pulls off a masterful bait & switch, so we get Jamie saying, "Stop". Like I said, the warning signs of this outcome are sprinkled throughout the AVN, just like the Ep 4 cliffhanger was kinda forewarned with a repeated focus on Jamie's incest trial and the multiple discussions between characters around the i-topic.

The only thing missing from the Jamie rejection scene was a sound effect of a stylus needle scratching across a record just before she uttered that chilling word. : )
This is so true..
I loved the way he did it all too.
 
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Sorry guys, I am just looking for the simple answer here and I have read some of the thread comments about Emmeline and I kind of deduced the answer but wanted to know for certain. Do Rockford and Emmeline have sex before they find out they are brother and sister?
USE SPOILERS!!!!
 
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Sorry guys, I am just looking for the simple answer here and I have read some of the thread comments about Emmeline and I kind of deduced the answer but wanted to know for certain. Do Rockford and Emmeline have sex before they find out they are brother and sister?

And

I am also gathering, and I know this can change of course depending on the stories later direction, but on the surface (at least to this poin) it also appears that Rockford and Jamie will not have an "intimate" relationship as Jamie has fully decided to leave even on her path? I am only asking because I did not fully follow Jamie's path.
Can't speak for everyone but you should probably spoiler that since it's literally a cliffhanger style reveal. Yes, they do.

As for Jamie, we're literally at the midway point of the story if IM is sticking to 8 episodes. All of the relationships have challenges in them right now, it's the conflict stage of the story. It only appears Jamie and Rockford will not have a relationship because we are missing the back half of the story. It's like stopping midway through a book and trying to draw conclusions.
 
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The scene where red shoes shoes up to Rockford's office and pokes around without wearing gloves or a mask pisses me off. Crime 101: hide your identity when you commit a premeditated crime.
 
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The scene where red shoes shoes up to Rockford's office and pokes around without wearing gloves or a mask pisses me off. Crime 101: hide your identity when you commit a premeditated crime.
I had the same thought, he even keeps wearing his signature red shoes :ROFLMAO:

But i guess considering hes working for the government its supposed to not really matter, if he - like andras - doesnt officially exist anymore, a picture of his face probably wont be this helpful.

But yeah it was still kinda strange how the worlds best spy just strolled inside there not giving a fuck about camaras or leaving evidence behind
 

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I wonder, but I can't find the right RPY file (even there even is any for the script):

If you creampie in Emmaline on her route, is there variable in the code that she might become pregnant in the future?
 

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I wonder, but I can't find the right RPY file (even there even is any for the script):

If you creampie in Emmaline on her route, is there variable in the code that she might become pregnant in the future?
Not got around to the update yet but for future ref, always use URM with a VN. Does not conflict, csause issues, overwrite anything, can be put in at any time without issue and can be used with other actual mods and would show you exactly what you want without having to dig into the scripts themselves.
 
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Not got around to the update yet but for future ref, always use URM with a VN. Does not conflict, csause issues, overwrite anything, can be put in at any time without issue and can be used with other actual mods and would show you exactly what you want without having to dig into the scripts themselves.
I've read that URM can cause issues with some AVNs if you play them afterwards without it (like Being a DIK).
 

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I've read that URM can cause issues with some AVNs if you play them afterwards without it (like Being a DIK).
URM does not change, alter, affect any game files at all. But the questions is, why would you play without it anyway if you are already using it? No nned to update it, unlike a mod it does not cause a conflict with version numbers. New update comes out, throw in URM again and away you go. UCD does not play nice with any sandbox if you meant that.
 

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URM does not change, alter, affect any game files at all. But the questions is, why would you play without it anyway if you are already using it? No nned to update it, unlike a mod it does not cause a conflict with version numbers. New update comes out, throw in URM again and away you go.
I only would want to use it to find specific routes that I didn't before. I want to play blind for most routes.
 

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I only would want to use it to find specific routes that I didn't before. I want to play blind for most routes.
I find URM useful because many game choices are not descriptive at all and you have no fucking idea what they do if anything. Some games do it better than others. And I don't like wasting my time fucking up a save and locking myself out of certain options/routes just because I don't have enough "points" or whatever.
 

jadepaladin

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I find URM useful because many game choices are not descriptive at all and you have no fucking idea what they do if anything. Some games do it better than others. And I don't like wasting my time fucking up a save and locking myself out of certain options/routes just because I don't have enough "points" or whatever.
It helps me separate dialogue only choices from choices that actually matter. Always comical to find a VN where "choices matter" but you look at it with URM and there are no variables tracked.

My other favorite are the nonsense choices.

LI: Red is my favorite color. What color dress should I wear?
Red dress: -1 love
Blue dress: +1 love
Yellow dress: unlocks secret friendship only ending and +1 sequel
 
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