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Thanks very much for all the responses. It's very reassuring to note that everyone is generally on the "I'm not here for the rape" team. I assumed this was just another porn game given where I found it and was obviously horrified to be so intensely wrong.

Interesting note on Game of Thrones. While I didn't particularly like it, whether in book or TV format, I definitely wasn't repulsed from it like this game. I think it was a difference of expectations going in. Going into GoT, I expected grim-dark medieval fantasy. I knew people get murdered, I knew the good guy frequently loses, and I was ready for it. I think I either missed or overlooked the warnings on this game. There's also something about Koitatsu models which scream innocent to me. It actually took me an uncomfortably long amount of time for me to realize, wait a second, this is super fucked up. It took my brain a while to transition out of porn logic.

In addition, point of view matters a lot. Most, if not all, of GoT is told from the point of view of characters with reasonably sympathetic or rationalized points of view and they frequently get the opportunity to justify them given the view point changes. Unless I missed it, Sensei is both the only point of view and never attempted to justify why he's trying to seduce anything in a skirt. Honestly, this makes the idea that he's being mind controlled to one degree or another easier to swallow. If I had to compare this to a book, I think I'd compare it more to Lolita. It seems apt.

I think it'll be like biting a lemon, but I think I'll try and play this one through. I know it's fucked up, you guys all know it's fucked up, but I think changing my expectations will make it tolerable. I'm intrigued enough by the plot and the vast acclaim to want to know what it's all about. Sometimes you try new things, sometimes it sucks, sometimes it surprises you. We'll see which one this is.
 

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You got a source file on that slap? I think I want to just watch it over and over without having to play that event. It's probably a .GIF or .WEBM or whatever the game uses for animations and other moving elements that aren't still images.
It is in the event Triple Whammy, and it is game\images\Events\mikupostbeach24.webp. It's not animated, but Selebus uses sound effects and Ren'Py's screen transition effects to give the moment, ha, impact.

I kind of want someone to take that second or two of gameplay, turn it into a 10 hour youtube video, and maybe give it a funky dance beat. It's great. I was so proud of the girl who slapped him.
If it's any consolation, while Sensei being shady and predatory is a cornerstone of his (?) character, there is no more rape.
No more out-and-out sexual assault committed by Sensei. He's still grooming schoolgirls in his care and manipulating them to have sex with him, which may not fit rape per se but is still Extremely Bad And Uncomfortable, but also there is textbook sexual assault committed by another character onscreen: sexual contact that is explicitly said "no" to and continued in the face of that no. If you're not sure what I'm talking about: Kirin fingering Ayane during What a Wonderful World.
If I had to compare this to a book, I think I'd compare it more to Lolita. It seems apt.
An apt comparison which gets explicitly made by one of the characters in Chapter Two. There probably are some people who are playing this game just to sexually exploit the characters in it, but, uh, as akselx points out, they are the people this game is taking aim at, much like the people who played Spec Ops: The Line because they wanted to be an all-American military hero rescuing the helpless exploited civilians of the Middle East. Actually, yeah, now that I've made that comparison, I'm going to lean into it: like SO:tL, this is a game which exists in a genre but in part skewers the sorts of escapist fantasy impulses that lead people to that genre specifically.

Good luck, and my respect for trying out something to which you had such a strong negative initial reaction. If it gets to be too much, by all means, bail. The world will keep turning even if you don't vibe with something a lot of other folks like.
 
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Honestly, this makes the idea that he's being mind controlled to one degree or another easier to swallow.
I don't want you to go off of another false premise, so let's just say it's more complicated and less obvious than mind control. Aside from that, just try to enjoy and have fun. There is fun and enjoyment in this game and even not enjoyable moments can be fun, while tragic are enjoyable. It's about feels, man.
 
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No more out-and-out sexual assault committed by Sensei. He's still grooming schoolgirls in his care and manipulating them to have sex with him, which may not fit rape per se but is still Extremely Bad And Uncomfortable, but also there is textbook sexual assault committed by another character onscreen: sexual contact that is explicitly said "no" to and continued in the face of that no. If you're not sure what I'm talking about: Kirin fingering Ayane during What a Wonderful World.
I know, I was talking about Sensei. There is a lot of "technically".
 

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Thanks very much for all the responses. It's very reassuring to note that everyone is generally on the "I'm not here for the rape" team. I assumed this was just another porn game given where I found it and was obviously horrified to be so intensely wrong.

Interesting note on Game of Thrones. While I didn't particularly like it, whether in book or TV format, I definitely wasn't repulsed from it like this game. I think it was a difference of expectations going in. Going into GoT, I expected grim-dark medieval fantasy. I knew people get murdered, I knew the good guy frequently loses, and I was ready for it. I think I either missed or overlooked the warnings on this game. There's also something about Koitatsu models which scream innocent to me. It actually took me an uncomfortably long amount of time for me to realize, wait a second, this is super fucked up. It took my brain a while to transition out of porn logic.

In addition, point of view matters a lot. Most, if not all, of GoT is told from the point of view of characters with reasonably sympathetic or rationalized points of view and they frequently get the opportunity to justify them given the view point changes. Unless I missed it, Sensei is both the only point of view and never attempted to justify why he's trying to seduce anything in a skirt. Honestly, this makes the idea that he's being mind controlled to one degree or another easier to swallow. If I had to compare this to a book, I think I'd compare it more to Lolita. It seems apt.

I think it'll be like biting a lemon, but I think I'll try and play this one through. I know it's fucked up, you guys all know it's fucked up, but I think changing my expectations will make it tolerable. I'm intrigued enough by the plot and the vast acclaim to want to know what it's all about. Sometimes you try new things, sometimes it sucks, sometimes it surprises you. We'll see which one this is.
It's important to note that this is not meant to be a "fap" game like most of the games on this site, and MC is not meant to be a player proxy like those games, either. I kinda worry for anyone who projects themselves into Sensei as they play. That's a dark road.

The MC sits at the intersection of nihilism and narcissm, and that's a difficult combination to sympathize with. He's then inserted into a scenario that buys into that combination of traits, and it goes about as well as you'd expect it to. But it's meant to make you feel uncomfortable, and there are multiple absolute gut-punches in here.
 

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If we're feeling at all charitable to Sensei ... which maybe we shouldn't. His initial reaction to the situation is to believe he has been isekaied into a world which isn't his own. Given the strong hints that he has just topped himself at that point it is perhaps understandable that he adopts a classic fuck everything that moves mindset. If you think you're dead and having some sort of bizarre hallucination as your brain shuts down, maybe it's reasonable to turn off self-restraint?

His reaction is actually fairly tame when compared to other fiction. This is where previous comments mentioning Thomas Covenant come from. Dude gets transported to another world and immediately rapes someone the consequences of which basically destroy the Land (repeatedly - rape babies happen).

The difference I suspect between Covenant and Sensei however is that Covenant spends a good amount of time regretting his actions (once he finally accepts that the Land is real, even if it isn't real - seriously it's a pretty fascinating take on how one defines "reality"). Whereas Sensei is doubling down and his inner monologue suggests that he was a scumbag before he jumped and what we are seeing is just him - he is aware of right and wrong and chooses to act as he does.

Given that he is discovering that the resets can benefit him and that the world rewrites itself to prevent certain of his actions having consequences, I believe we're likely to see a hell of a lot more id and considerably less super-ego going forward. He's a (sex)predator with captive prey.
 

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If we're feeling at all charitable to Sensei ... which maybe we shouldn't. His initial reaction to the situation is to believe he has been isekaied into a world which isn't his own. Given the strong hints that he has just topped himself at that point it is perhaps understandable that he adopts a classic fuck everything that moves mindset. If you think you're dead and having some sort of bizarre hallucination as your brain shuts down, maybe it's reasonable to turn off self-restraint?

His reaction is actually fairly tame when compared to other fiction. This is where previous comments mentioning Thomas Covenant come from. Dude gets transported to another world and immediately rapes someone the consequences of which basically destroy the Land (repeatedly - rape babies happen).

The difference I suspect between Covenant and Sensei however is that Covenant spends a good amount of time regretting his actions (once he finally accepts that the Land is real, even if it isn't real - seriously it's a pretty fascinating take on how one defines "reality"). Whereas Sensei is doubling down and his inner monologue suggests that he was a scumbag before he jumped and what we are seeing is just him - he is aware of right and wrong and chooses to act as he does.

Given that he is discovering that the resets can benefit him and that the world rewrites itself to prevent certain of his actions having consequences, I believe we're likely to see a hell of a lot more id and considerably less super-ego going forward. He's a (sex)predator with captive prey.
I'd like to think that Sensei really wants to just fuck around with zero emotional attachment, since nothing is real, but can't help but to develop some the more he interacts with girls. This really bites him in the ass from time to time, considering he knows no other way to support and feed his fake amnesia.
 
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Oh, and another thing: this game might be somewhat of a metacommentary on porn games in general. If nothing is real, why not just do what you want to whomever you want? Sensei runs with this attitude. So take it as you want.
I can definitely see that when looking at it from an outside perspective.

Thanks very much for all the responses. It's very reassuring to note that everyone is generally on the "I'm not here for the rape" team. I assumed this was just another porn game given where I found it and was obviously horrified to be so intensely wrong.

Interesting note on Game of Thrones. While I didn't particularly like it, whether in book or TV format, I definitely wasn't repulsed from it like this game. I think it was a difference of expectations going in. Going into GoT, I expected grim-dark medieval fantasy. I knew people get murdered, I knew the good guy frequently loses, and I was ready for it. I think I either missed or overlooked the warnings on this game. There's also something about Koitatsu models which scream innocent to me. It actually took me an uncomfortably long amount of time for me to realize, wait a second, this is super fucked up. It took my brain a while to transition out of porn logic.

In addition, point of view matters a lot. Most, if not all, of GoT is told from the point of view of characters with reasonably sympathetic or rationalized points of view and they frequently get the opportunity to justify them given the view point changes. Unless I missed it, Sensei is both the only point of view and never attempted to justify why he's trying to seduce anything in a skirt. Honestly, this makes the idea that he's being mind controlled to one degree or another easier to swallow. If I had to compare this to a book, I think I'd compare it more to Lolita. It seems apt.

I think it'll be like biting a lemon, but I think I'll try and play this one through. I know it's fucked up, you guys all know it's fucked up, but I think changing my expectations will make it tolerable. I'm intrigued enough by the plot and the vast acclaim to want to know what it's all about. Sometimes you try new things, sometimes it sucks, sometimes it surprises you. We'll see which one this is.
Yeah, no, not this time I'm not. I'm too attached to the characters to be here for the rape, plus I like rape to be hard and fast, meaning they would all be having full penetrative sex by now and not by choice like the few penetrative scenes actually in the game at this time are.

Yes and no, player Sensei is the most frequently used point of view, but we do get the occasional scene where there is a second conversation going on elsewhere at the same time that requires a different point of view to see it because player Sensei isn't there. Judging by your responses regarding how far you are, you haven't reached these scenes. I would definitely agree on the "Lolita" comparison.

Then I am glad to see you are fighting through the discomfort and I hope you come out of it pleasantly surprised.

It is in the event Triple Whammy, and it is game\images\Events\mikupostbeach24.webp. It's not animated, but Selebus uses sound effects and Ren'Py's screen transition effects to give the moment, ha, impact.

I kind of want someone to take that second or two of gameplay, turn it into a 10 hour youtube video, and maybe give it a funky dance beat. It's great. I was so proud of the girl who slapped him.

No more out-and-out sexual assault committed by Sensei. He's still grooming schoolgirls in his care and manipulating them to have sex with him, which may not fit rape per se but is still Extremely Bad And Uncomfortable, but also there is textbook sexual assault committed by another character onscreen: sexual contact that is explicitly said "no" to and continued in the face of that no. If you're not sure what I'm talking about: Kirin fingering Ayane during What a Wonderful World.

An apt comparison which gets explicitly made by one of the characters in Chapter Two. There probably are some people who are playing this game just to sexually exploit the characters in it, but, uh, as akselx points out, they are the people this game is taking aim at, much like the people who played Spec Ops: The Line because they wanted to be an all-American military hero rescuing the helpless exploited civilians of the Middle East. Actually, yeah, now that I've made that comparison, I'm going to lean into it: like SO:tL, this is a game which exists in a genre but in part skewers the sorts of escapist fantasy impulses that lead people to that genre specifically.

Good luck, and my respect for trying out something to which you had such a strong negative initial reaction. If it gets to be too much, by all means, bail. The world will keep turning even if you don't vibe with something a lot of other folks like.
Thanks, I knew the event, I just didn't know what file in the game folder to look for so I don't have to open the game to see it. While I do like replaying, I tend to save that for when I actually have new things to do and then replay old events when I finish the new ones. I see, so it was a still image that used transitions, well played Selebus, you fooled me, an experienced programmer.

I could probably do that last part once I'm clear of literally the hundreds of other things I specifically volunteered to do and need to see through to the end.

There may not be outright rape right now, but I am fully prepared for it to be added just in case. I'm not exactly thrilled at player Sensei for his advances or Kirin for hers, but I'm still outright furious at player Sensei for his latest antics regarding Miku.

Indeed it does, Selebus knows exactly what he's doing there. I would actually normally be one of the people the game is taking aim at, I often hide behind the logic that games are mere fiction, but I cannot bring myself to do that here, my emotional connections to the characters are far too strong. That's why I can get so worked up when one of them does something bad.

I echo this final sentiment, good luck to Rex and may you come to enjoy this amazing story. We can, of course, understand if that ultimately does not happen and wish you luck if at any point you come back to this point of wanting to get away.

It's important to note that this is not meant to be a "fap" game like most of the games on this site, and MC is not meant to be a player proxy like those games, either. I kinda worry for anyone who projects themselves into Sensei as they play. That's a dark road.

The MC sits at the intersection of nihilism and narcissm, and that's a difficult combination to sympathize with. He's then inserted into a scenario that buys into that combination of traits, and it goes about as well as you'd expect it to. But it's meant to make you feel uncomfortable, and there are multiple absolute gut-punches in here.
Indeed, making player Sensei a proxy is one of the biggest mistakes a player can make and can lead to amplification of the negative feelings the player experiences to a severe degree.

If we're feeling at all charitable to Sensei ... which maybe we shouldn't. His initial reaction to the situation is to believe he has been isekaied into a world which isn't his own. Given the strong hints that he has just topped himself at that point it is perhaps understandable that he adopts a classic fuck everything that moves mindset. If you think you're dead and having some sort of bizarre hallucination as your brain shuts down, maybe it's reasonable to turn off self-restraint?

His reaction is actually fairly tame when compared to other fiction. This is where previous comments mentioning Thomas Covenant come from. Dude gets transported to another world and immediately rapes someone the consequences of which basically destroy the Land (repeatedly - rape babies happen).

The difference I suspect between Covenant and Sensei however is that Covenant spends a good amount of time regretting his actions (once he finally accepts that the Land is real, even if it isn't real - seriously it's a pretty fascinating take on how one defines "reality"). Whereas Sensei is doubling down and his inner monologue suggests that he was a scumbag before he jumped and what we are seeing is just him - he is aware of right and wrong and chooses to act as he does.

Given that he is discovering that the resets can benefit him and that the world rewrites itself to prevent certain of his actions having consequences, I believe we're likely to see a hell of a lot more id and considerably less super-ego going forward. He's a (sex)predator with captive prey.
Absolutely not, he will get no charity from me, he burned that bridge with what he did to Miku. I could definitely see the 'fuck everything, it isn't real' mindset, though.

I am still of the belief that there are two personalities, at least, battling it out in his head and the one we see more often is one that took hold when the game started, hence why the monologues don't stick to one style. When he gets more philosophical and poetic in his molnologues, that's the other personality leaking out, the one the girls knew before the game and his normal one. This second personality may indeed have taken on the 'fuck it, this isn't real' mindset and that may be why he does what he does. That is absolutely not to justify him doing it, that just gives reason to his actions. It's hard to say what this 'player Sensei' would do if he did make the realization it is real. Maybe he would go the Covenant route, maybe it would break him entirely, we don't know enough to make a guess yet even with those Maya dorm events.

The resets do not help persuade him this world is not fake, they exacerbate his mindset that things are not real and push him to even more drastic things that he knows perfectly well the real world would not let him get away with. He could be ramping up his actions because the resets cement the idea that this world is not real into his mind. Again, not a justification, just a possible reason. This is also one reason why I could very easily see him skipping straight to rape at some point if this mindset gets too far. I mean, if it isn't real, then just taking what he wants shouldn't be a problem...right? I feel disgusting even suggesting that as a hypothetical future scenario, ugh. Any other game besides this and Harem Hotel and I would be fine with it because fiction, but even putting myself in his place as a hypothetical scenario is seriously grossing me out and making my skin crawl. Selebus, what have you done to me.

I'd like to think that Sensei really wants to just fuck around with zero emotional attachment, since nothing is real, but can't help but to develop some the more he interacts with girls. This really bites him in the ass from time to time, considering he knows no other way to support and feed his fake amnesia.
I'm not so sure the amnesia is fake, he clearly doesn't remember anything at the start.
 

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Oh, and another thing: this game might be somewhat of a metacommentary on porn games in general. If nothing is real, why not just do what you want to whomever you want? Sensei runs with this attitude. So take it as you want.
This game as a whole feels like a parody of the harem genre.

If you look at this from the lens of a dude that's just kinda skimming through text in a hentai game so he can get to the good parts, well, that's kinda how Sensei acts.

He's not an asshole per se, he just doesn't care enough to care (if that makes sense).

The game (for it's part) shows what kind of impact acting like that would have on the members of his harem (many of which don't even know they're a part of it).

Yumi at one point even comments about how strange it is that they keep being put together in situations where they have to interact, from our perspective she's a tsundere and her behavior is cute, from her perspective it's an incredibly creepy behavior on the part of some dude who she has made clear she wants no part of.
 

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I'm not so sure the amnesia is fake, he clearly doesn't remember anything at the start.
He's weird about it. He says a bunch of small things here and there that would suggest he remembers. It's really small and can be interpreted as him just saying shit out of his ass, which is why it flies under radar.
Its like he's awoids thinking (something he admits he's good at) about it and so he "doesn't remember", but occasionally, he lets his guard down and slip small things here and there.
Maybe it's not fake, maybe there some sort of mechanism to it, but it's faulty.
It's a matter of perception, mostly, you can just call it "another personality", real Sensei peaking in.

He's not an asshole per se, he just doesn't care enough to care (if that makes sense).
It does. I said at some point that he cares enough about what's right in front of him to feel bad, just not enough to course correct to avoid future problems.

Yumi at one point even comments about how strange it is that they keep being put together in situations where they have to interact, from our perspective she's a tsundere and her behavior is cute, from her perspective it's an incredibly creepy behavior on the part of some dude who she has made clear she wants no part of.
My earliest beliefs was that it was all, without overcomplication it, just a buggy VN that took control of.

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He's weird about it. He says a bunch of small things here and there that would suggest he remembers. It's really small and can be interpreted as him just saying shit out of his ass, which is why it flies under radar.
Its like he's awoids thinking (something he admits he's good at) about it and so he "doesn't remember", but occasionally, he lets his guard down and slip small things here and there.
Maybe it's not fake, maybe there some sort of mechanism to it, but it's faulty.
It's a matter of perception, mostly, you can just call it "another personality", real Sensei peaking in.
I think it's a mix of 2 things:

The first one is about him being deliberately obtuse, we saw this when Ayane was trying to tell him about their baby and he very clearly didn't want to think about it, so he obfuscated and convinced himself that he didn't know what she was talking about.

The second one seems to be bits and pieces of several trips through the loop that have left their mark on Sensei, i don't think it's deliberate on his part though.

Btw, what's Sensei's name? The fact that you can't name him outside of sex scenes (where you can call yourself basically anything) seems important.
 
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puzzles... that is a very optimistic look for what those are. not a complaint or dislike of them. Just those are not puzzles. flash card memorization is more like it.
I still get upvotes on this so I have to look back on this comment and am reminded of these 'puzzles' that are not really puzzles all the time now. I feel slightly unnerved by them. I think I have finally pinpointed WHY I do though.

like I said these are not puzzles, they are flash card memorization and word association tests... the kind of tests you give someone under psychological observation... especially if said person has amnesia/alzheimers/dementia/etc.
this is why I felt uncomfortable with them.
Selebus... what are you trying to tell us about Sensei with these tests.
more importantly what kind of data are you collecting about us...:eek:
The truth has come out...
LIL is a massive psychological test for some grad students thesis lol jk
 
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He's weird about it. He says a bunch of small things here and there that would suggest he remembers. It's really small and can be interpreted as him just saying shit out of his ass, which is why it flies under radar.
Its like he's awoids thinking (something he admits he's good at) about it and so he "doesn't remember", but occasionally, he lets his guard down and slip small things here and there.
Maybe it's not fake, maybe there some sort of mechanism to it, but it's faulty.
It's a matter of perception, mostly, you can just call it "another personality", real Sensei peaking in.
If I remember correctly, when Touka was with Tsubasa in the Councilor room and Sensei correctly guessed/answered Aristotle, he himself questions how he knew that. Rather than accidentally slipping from his façade, I think he's also confused.
But hey, I take pretty much everything at face value, so I might not be reading between some obvious lines.
 

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Anyone want to translate what Maya's shirt says?
If it's not "Watermelon", then I'm disappointed.
(also I hope the merch store restocks in about 1 1/2 years, so I can buy it without my family questioning why I bought a ~21 Euro shirt)
Something something chi something i

AKA: disgusting (kimochi warui)
 
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If I remember correctly, when Touka was with Tsubasa in the Councilor room and Sensei correctly guessed/answered Aristotle, he himself questions how he knew that. Rather than accidentally slipping from his façade, I think he's also confused.
But hey, I take pretty much everything at face value, so I might not be reading between some obvious lines.
He definitely retains a LOT of OG Sensei's academic knowledge, even going so far as to recognize a poet by a single line of poetry.

But his personal memories? They only come through in flashes. Like catching a smell of Ami's shampoo and flashing back to her mother. It's gradually coming out more and more, but it's still just bits and pieces. I don't think he's faking the amnesia, but he is hiding just how much has started to come back. He's still missing substantially more than he's recovered of his personal memories.

Edit:After some cursory reading on brain damage and memory.

Anyway, retaining academic knowledge after a brain injury but forgetting large amounts of past emotional memories is not uncommon, different parts of the brain store different types of memories, though it rarely happens in the scale depicted here -- this is "TV Trope" level exaggeration of the phenomena, but it's still not entirely out of the realm of possibility.
 
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This game as a whole feels like a parody of the harem genre.

If you look at this from the lens of a dude that's just kinda skimming through text in a hentai game so he can get to the good parts, well, that's kinda how Sensei acts.

He's not an asshole per se, he just doesn't care enough to care (if that makes sense).

The game (for it's part) shows what kind of impact acting like that would have on the members of his harem (many of which don't even know they're a part of it).

Yumi at one point even comments about how strange it is that they keep being put together in situations where they have to interact, from our perspective she's a tsundere and her behavior is cute, from her perspective it's an incredibly creepy behavior on the part of some dude who she has made clear she wants no part of.
I think that's part of what Selebus was going for, a parody of the genre.

Oh no, player Sensei is definitely an asshole. Sensei as a whole is not, but player Sensei is. He's not some mass murdering psycho, but he definitely isn't a good guy. I would say asshole is the minimum he could be described as.

She says she doesn't, but I think that was only at the beginning and in the aftermath of the kiss. I think she's starting to realize, albeit slowly, that she does at least want to interact. Otherwise she could have ignored him at the Christmas gathering entirely, she literally had little to no interaction except one thing that tells me she doesn't want him to stop interacting. Creepy behavior in general, yeah, any girl would want a guy to cut that out real freaking fast, but interaction in general not so much.

I still get upvotes on this so I have to look back on this comment and am reminded of these 'puzzles' that are not really puzzles all the time now. I feel slightly unnerved by them. I think I have finally pinpointed WHY I do though.

like I said these are not puzzles, they are flash card memorization and word association tests... the kind of tests you give someone under psychological observation... especially if said person has amnesia/alzheimers/dementia/etc.
this is why I felt uncomfortable with them.
Selebus... what are you trying to tell us about Sensei with these tests.
more importantly what kind of data are you collecting about us...:eek:
The truth has come out...
LIL is a massive psychological test for some grad students thesis lol jk
I mean, I stand by what I said in response, flash memorization puzzles are a thing, though they are usually timed. These ones are not.

I think there really is a message about Sensei in there, something is seriously wrong with him, as if the other things didn't already tell us that much.

There's also the out of universe aspect, Selebus is testing whether the player is paying attention to every single detail in the text, those who fail these puzzles by getting stuck weren't paying attention.

Anyone want to translate what Maya's shirt says?
If it's not "Watermelon", then I'm disappointed.
(also I hope the merch store restocks in about 1 1/2 years, so I can buy it without my family questioning why I bought a ~21 Euro shirt)


If I remember correctly, when Touka was with Tsubasa in the Councilor room and Sensei correctly guessed/answered Aristotle, he himself questions how he knew that. Rather than accidentally slipping from his façade, I think he's also confused.
But hey, I take pretty much everything at face value, so I might not be reading between some obvious lines.
I typically just don't say anything and keep all incoming packages to myself. As for the shirt, "kimochi warui," which means disgusting in English, but has many uses depending on context that are usually about something being disgusting. Used alone, it can usually be translated as the word or as the phrase "that's disgusting," "you're disgusting," or similar.

cheat mods?
Not needed, there are cheats in game, but be warned you WILL be marked as a cheater in the save with definite future consequences that have yet to be revealed. It may be as little as a text change or it may block off entire paths because the girls 'become aware' of your cheating.

He definitely retains a LOT of OG Sensei's academic knowledge, even going so far as to recognize a poet by a single line of poetry.

But his personal memories? They only come through in flashes. Like catching a smell of Ami's shampoo and flashing back to her mother. It's gradually coming out more and more, but it's still just bits and pieces. I don't think he's faking the amnesia, but he is hiding just how much has started to come back. He's still missing substantially more than he's recovered of his personal memories.

Edit:After some cursory reading on brain damage and memory.

Anyway, retaining academic knowledge after a brain injury but forgetting large amounts of past emotional memories is not uncommon, different parts of the brain store different types of memories, though it rarely happens in the scale depicted here -- this is "TV Trope" level exaggeration of the phenomena, but it's still not entirely out of the realm of possibility.
Definitely, so he has the skills of old Sensei, just not the memories. Considering the current possible causes of his current state, I would say memory loss with skill retention is a distinct possibility. This is part of what makes me believe my own split personality theory.

The Lessons in Love merch store will be going live to the general public on 10/27 at 12:00 AM EST.

Patrons will have access 24 hours early and supply is limited, so there may not be any items available to you when the site goes live if you are part of the general public.

Only the smile logo shirt is available for the first run.

Expect a restock sometime in late November in time for the holiday season.

Shirts are $25 each.
US shipping is roughly $3.50.
International shipping is available, but very expensive for some countries.

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I think I'll hold off for now, but I do intend to buy when things that are currently unavailable are made available.

He's weird about it. He says a bunch of small things here and there that would suggest he remembers. It's really small and can be interpreted as him just saying shit out of his ass, which is why it flies under radar.
Its like he's awoids thinking (something he admits he's good at) about it and so he "doesn't remember", but occasionally, he lets his guard down and slip small things here and there.
Maybe it's not fake, maybe there some sort of mechanism to it, but it's faulty.
It's a matter of perception, mostly, you can just call it "another personality", real Sensei peaking in.


It does. I said at some point that he cares enough about what's right in front of him to feel bad, just not enough to course correct to avoid future problems.


My earliest beliefs was that it was all, without overcomplication it, just a buggy VN that took control of.


No Noodles t-short? Booo, what is even the point?
What seems to be happening is memories are returning in flashes, which is not uncommon for amnesia patients. What I got from the very first moments of the game is that this is a self contained personality with its own memories, but shared skill sets like how real life amnesia patients sometimes retain their skills even if they can't remember their own family.

That's what makes him an asshole, he doesn't care enough to not do things that he knows perfectly well are bad.
 

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I think it's a mix of 2 things:

The first one is about him being deliberately obtuse, we saw this when Ayane was trying to tell him about their baby and he very clearly didn't want to think about it, so he obfuscated and convinced himself that he didn't know what she was talking about.

The second one seems to be bits and pieces of several trips through the loop that have left their mark on Sensei, i don't think it's deliberate on his part though.

Btw, what's Sensei's name? The fact that you can't name him outside of sex scenes (where you can call yourself basically anything) seems important.
Anyone want to translate what Maya's shirt says?
If it's not "Watermelon", then I'm disappointed.
(also I hope the merch store restocks in about 1 1/2 years, so I can buy it without my family questioning why I bought a ~21 Euro shirt)


If I remember correctly, when Touka was with Tsubasa in the Councilor room and Sensei correctly guessed/answered Aristotle, he himself questions how he knew that. Rather than accidentally slipping from his façade, I think he's also confused.
But hey, I take pretty much everything at face value, so I might not be reading between some obvious lines.
What seems to be happening is memories are returning in flashes, which is not uncommon for amnesia patients. What I got from the very first moments of the game is that this is a self contained personality with its own memories, but shared skill sets like how real life amnesia patients sometimes retain their skills even if they can't remember their own family.

That's what makes him an asshole, he doesn't care enough to not do things that he knows perfectly well are bad.
Everyone remembers the obvious in your face stuff, but I was mostly talking about small, easily dismissible things, delivered in as a matter of fact way.
It was actually one of my earliest observations, but I forgot all about it, until, on a whim, I replayed Rin even. The one when she had a test date with Sensei. She jokes about how he's isekai protag died by a truck and asked if there were elves in his world, to that he casually drops that it was a suicide and there were no elfes. I get it, it's all tongue in cheek, a benter, but he does this all the time, there is a lot of small things like those lines plastered throughout the game and I wish I was actually writing them down at a time as I cant recall. Or take the last Rin event. When she expresses her surprise at Sensei's self-control with Chika, he explains that there were once someone he loved more.
Basically, memories are just beneath the surface at all times, but it's dangerous for Sensei to intentionally reach for them. But he can just drop snippets here and there, without putting any though in it, without processing it.
 
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