Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.41.0] [Selebus]

[PhiloPhilo]

Is there any speculation as to why more and more characters are becoming aware of not just temporal inconsistencies or odd behaviors, but seemingly paranormal events/entities/locations? Or is it simply a consequence of the narrator / Akira / player becoming more aware/doing more, or because the story has to actually go somewhere (like the dark path)? I took a couple long breaks and haven't read up on everything people have mentioned (haven't even commented before) so I'm just wondering if I'm missing hints or forgetting parts.

 

[Yarazin]

Even with Maki, one of the things that confused me about Chapter 4 was suddenly I could go get a BJ again at the Porn shop, but I don't recall or remember and event where Maki told us that she stopped her celibacy kick.

Those kind of things bug the crap out of me. Why can Sensei visit the girls again and stuff if we still haven't had a conversation with them. I try to avoid all that shitty part of the sandbox.

 

[Moonflare]

Is there any speculation as to why more and more characters are becoming aware of not just temporal inconsistencies or odd behaviors, but seemingly paranormal events/entities/locations? Or is it simply a consequence of the narrator / Akira / player becoming more aware/doing more, or because the story has to actually go somewhere (like the dark path)? I took a couple long breaks and haven't read up on everything people have mentioned (haven't even commented before) so I'm just wondering if I'm missing hints or forgetting parts.

It has been hinted that it's because this cycle has been going for way longer than it should have. Their memories are adjusted with each reset, but it's supposed to be surface level - and then when a new cycle begins, everyone is factory reset. In this cycle however, they're starting to have to account for years of inconsistencies which is making everyone struggle with adjusting memories = remember more.

it has been said that the wishing well has dried up too, this may be related to that. All in all, your intuition was right, as it could be said that it's because this version of Akira has been staying around longer than what was expected.

 

[PhiloPhilo]

It has been hinted that it's because this cycle has been going for way longer than it should have. Their memories are adjusted with each reset, but it's supposed to be surface level - and then when a new cycle begins, everyone is factory reset. In this cycle however, they're starting to have to account for years of inconsistencies which is making everyone struggle with adjusting memories = remember more.

it has been said that the wishing well has dried up too, this may be related to that. All in all, your intuition was right, as it could be said that it's because this version of Akira has been staying around longer than what was expected.

That makes sense and is probably the extremely obvious answer. It just kind of feels like there's a difference between people having had memories they shouldn't have earlier, and the ones now. That might be me overthinking it or missing something, though. I suppose that is the point since there's more deviation within the cycle as well as its own weirdness.

Spoiler: 4.1 events

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Still don't fully understand a lot such as the wishing well, and not sure if that's solely because it's not supposed to be fully explained yet, or partially because I'm missing something. Playing the game in patches over a long time will do that, though. Probably need to revisit or look up a couple things.

 

[SeZ2041]

No, your save file disapeared because you have installed care packages. This is why your save file would disapear in future

I just checked and yep... Oh well, hours of skipping coming

 

[Vega Cifer]

Sorry if I'm late, and probably someone did it before, but just finished the update and wanted to share the triggers for the events for anyone that might be looking for them:

Yasu1 = Needs Touka camping event. Autoplays Sunday morning.
Yasu2/3 = Autoplays Saturday night. Yasu3 is the main unlocker of the rest of the events.
Maki = Porn shop + lust>5 + Yasu3.
Futaba = Dorms + lust>25 + Yasu3.
Haruka = Cafe + weekend + Yasu3. Rin autoplays after.
Io1/2/3 = Bathhouse + weekday + Yasu3.
Uta1 = Yasu3. Autoplays Saturday morning.
Uta2 = Autoplays Wednesday night.
Noriko1 = Convenience store + love>30 + Yasu3.
Noriko2 = Uta1. Autoplays Sunday afternoon.
Kirin = Noriko1. Autoplays Saturday afternoon.
Wakana1/2 + Imani1/2 = Yasu3 + Uta2 + Noriko2 + Kirin + Io2. Autoplays Saturday morning.

Thanks, this is really helpful. I see rin has an event too, is anything needed for that? Nevermind, I am truly slow LOL. Just saw rin autoplays

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Does anyone has save file from 40? I suddenly lost the save file when I started the game on 41

I should still have my saves from .40 if you still need it. It's not a 100% or anything though

 

[SeZ2041]

I should still have my saves from .40 if you still need it. It's not a 100% or anything though

Better than starting over

 

[Moonflare]

That makes sense and is probably the extremely obvious answer. It just kind of feels like there's a difference between people having had memories they shouldn't have earlier, and the ones now. That might be me overthinking it or missing something, though. I suppose that is the point since there's more deviation within the cycle as well as its own weirdness.

Spoiler: 4.1 events

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Still don't fully understand a lot such as the wishing well, and not sure if that's solely because it's not supposed to be fully explained yet, or partially because I'm missing something. Playing the game in patches over a long time will do that, though. Probably need to revisit or look up a couple things.

Those things should not be the same, as you pointed out. Nodoka is hinted to have a connection to the world itself, and Noriko is led by Nao-chan. Tsuneyo is hinted to have a connection to Wires, the girls that remember (everything) all have a connection to the roof.

One other point of interest is that this cycle isn't randomly happening, it was engineered to be this way by foreign entities. Akira remembering, Maya giving in, Ayane surviving, Nao-chan being sent as help, Spring arriving - all of this is part of a larger plan (or to be more accurate multiple plans to make this cycle different). So definitely it isn't all just because the cycle is taking longer, since the reason it's taking longer isn't random.

Edit: I should probably give a concrete example. So, Noriko's school sinks in, that brings her to Akira's school, which leads to her giving him a box with Niki's letters - that's the moment he remembers his first memory of being the real Akira. Fast-forward a few hours, he ends the night on a roof with Maya, Noodles and Himawari. This was not a random event that just happened. Another example: Himawari shows up to sell Akira the very same scarf that Maya had when Akira accepted her feelings, she breaks down when receiving it, which kickstarts her giving in process. There are many such cases of things being nudged in a specific way.

 

[Comiies]

These latest Nodoka moments were quite a treat i must say.But i want to talk about her for a bit.

Personally i dont think Nodoka will be extremely important in the grand scheme of things,as someone like Noriko would.No instead i believe she will be LiLs own Icarus.Her curiosity will consume her and then we will have to pick up the pieces.It would be quite fitting.Anywho another thing i wanna talk about is the matter of resets.Now that Maya prime as the people in this thread have taken to calling her is gone,who will reset the world?Will the world need another reset?

 

[Moonflare]

These latest Nodoka moments were quite a treat i must say.But i want to talk about her for a bit.

Personally i dont think Nodoka will be extremely important in the grand scheme of things,as someone like Noriko would.No instead i believe she will be LiLs own Icarus.Her curiosity will consume her and then we will have to pick up the pieces.It would be quite fitting.Anywho another thing i wanna talk about is the matter of resets.Now that Maya prime as the people in this thread have taken to calling her is gone,who will reset the world?Will the world need another reset?

Wow, that's such an interesting idea! I really like that image of Nodoka being a sort of Icarus. I'm looking forward to it.

Regarding the resets, that's the question on everyone's mind. Technically, the last one wasn't done by Maya, but by Big Boi - who said that it was very simple. Actually, even Maya sort of hints at that. And maybe her part on it was simply asking whichever god she prayed to to do it for her (not her actually doing it then). If that's how it was, then the one that performed the last reset was Ayane, since she asked a supernatural entity to reset the world - same as Maya, just without praying.

I am curious though, and am doubly curious about if Pareidolia would even consider a reset during his Spring, since it's supposed to be infinite. It might be that the other gods will try to forcefully change seasons with just one reset - we'll see...

 

[barglenarglezous]

Those kind of things bug the crap out of me. Why can Sensei visit the girls again and stuff if we still haven't had a conversation with them. I try to avoid all that shitty part of the sandbox.

Some of it is shitty programming.

My favorite example of this kind of inconsistency is that if you start a new game and visit any of the girls that have had a makeover in the dorms, you get their current post-makeover model in the generic, not the correct version for the stage of the game you're in.

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Better than starting over

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Due to an oversight (I fucked up my backup) It's not my end-of-update .40 save, but it's right after the death ball event from the sensei-less dorm wars, so it's basically really close. I'm not sure what events you'll have to redo, I don't really remember. You can just slap the files in your 'saves' folder and (assuming I didn't fuck up uploading the fucked up backup) you should be good to go

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Everybody talks about the void in his eyes but not the field of flowers behind it


////////////////AND REMEMBER WHAT I TOLD YOU BEFORE

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Those things should not be the same, as you pointed out. Nodoka is hinted to have a connection to the world itself, and Noriko is led by Nao-chan. Tsuneyo is hinted to have a connection to Wires, the girls that remember (everything) all have a connection to the roof.

One other point of interest is that this cycle isn't randomly happening, it was engineered to be this way by foreign entities. Akira remembering, Maya giving in, Ayane surviving, Nao-chan being sent as help, Spring arriving - all of this is part of a larger plan (or to be more accurate multiple plans to make this cycle different). So definitely it isn't all just because the cycle is taking longer, since the reason it's taking longer isn't random.

Edit: I should probably give a concrete example. So, Noriko's school sinks in, that brings her to Akira's school, which leads to her giving him a box with Niki's letters - that's the moment he remembers his first memory of being the real Akira. Fast-forward a few hours, he ends the night on a roof with Maya, Noodles and Himawari. This was not a random event that just happened. Another example: Himawari shows up to sell Akira the very same scarf that Maya had when Akira accepted her feelings, she breaks down when receiving it, which kickstarts her giving in process. There are many such cases of things being nudged in a specific way.

That's a much better way of putting it and looking at it. The girls are already influenced as well as the cycle. I guess the question is just why, and why even more so recently — but that's been the question for the entire game, and I'm probably grasping at straws wondering what's up with it. I suppose now I'm just wondering what specifically is going on with people like Noriko and Nodoka. Some of it seems a little less clear. Now that you mention it, who/what was behind the sinkhole near Noriko's old school, anyway? I kinda just never thought about it again. Hopefully there will be more answers soon, now that I'm actually playing as updates come out again and need to know.

 

[Moonflare]

That's a much better way of putting it and looking at it. The girls are already influenced as well as the cycle. I guess the question is just why, and why even more so recently — but that's been the question for the entire game, and I'm probably grasping at straws wondering what's up with it. I suppose now I'm just wondering what specifically is going on with people like Noriko and Nodoka. Some of it seems a little less clear. Now that you mention it, who/what was behind the sinkhole near Noriko's old school, anyway? I kinda just never thought about it again. Hopefully there will be more answers soon, now that I'm actually playing as updates come out again and need to know.

The best guess at the moment is Pareidolia. Neither HOPE nor Wires profit from changing things, since the cycles already changed from one to the other for hundreds of years. Following that logic, Himawari should have been working under Pareidolia until saving Ayane.

However, there are four users, not three. So a very strong possibility exists that Himawari's goals aligned with Pareidolia's up to a certain point. But they're not necessarily the same endgoal, and she may be working under USER4 instead. Both of them needed Akira to remember his past, and possibly for Maya to be taken out. Did both of them need Sekai to be brought back, instead of just Akira remembering her? unknown.

Who are the ones that sent Nao-chan to help? It's around that time that things start to get really messy, because it's around the point that Akira is first saved from factory reset by an unknown entity - other than USER1 and USER2 (during "untitled") that the status quo crumbles. It isn't about HOPE versus Wires anymore. Pareidolia makes itself known, and other entities start appearing. So from that point forward, it's also acceptable for HOPE and Wires to start trying to change things too (to restore the old status quo if nothing else).

So we're at a point in the story that every entity has cause for trying to interfere. Which makes it narrowing down that much harder (this may include random gods and the world itself).

 

[NicolasL4D]

Hey guys, what emotions have Akira visibly expressed to begin with?

Like, we've seen anger like once, uneasyness, maybe even fear. I think .41 was the first time we saw visible sadness? At least in the Io event. Idk.

 

[seventhsword]

Finished the new update. Better than Dawntrail.

 

[CheleDeCedul]

Thanks, this is really helpful. I see rin has an event too, is anything needed for that? Nevermind, I am truly slow LOL. Just saw rin autoplays

Actually, for the Haruka/Rin events, you need to be in the haruka sex path

 

[Angra Shadow]

Sel can try to gaslight his readers all he wants about how Io is such a horrible unlikeable person whose fans like her for the "wrong" reasons (whatever the hell that was supposed to mean), but his actual writing continues to time and time again prove that she is completely justified in being the way she is and even makes her look admirable as most people would have turned out way worse.