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anyone know what causes you to have ayane's 'back to normal' crossed out? was it a lust event?
 

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Which game is the two girls on the right from?
Characters from left to right and information on where to find them~

- Yinna (Hero's Harem Guild)



- Kaori (Lessons in Love)

- Emily (Android Life)



- Estia (Champion of Realms)



- Ophelia (Tales of Unity)

 

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I hadn't heard of Android Life before, so checked the parteon. Not really my kinda game, but did come across this, which I think is worth sharing here:

"Caring too much <3" ... Why do I get the feeling this is gonna become canon eventually?
 

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yup, you needed at least 10 lust with her prior to "What's done is Done" AKA the beach event.
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lol, bit late for that, since i used the beach reset cheat code. jesus christ selebus never fails to make this shit go to 100 in a heartbeat. kinda worried about those ramifications
 

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I'm enjoying the very articulate and well-written arguments between alex2011 and Drew Anderson...

When the game's well-written and complicating, the arguments about the game become sophisticated as well...
Indeed, and not every game can spark debate like this, this is the only one I have gone to the lengths I have here for.

Merry Christmas from the KK dev-harem~

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Merry Christmas, Selebus, and the rest, of course.

It assumes that players play the game in "right" order. But how should they know what it is?

Forget any warnings in this thread. I for one found this game few days ago, and I can assure you that I didn't start by first reading 200+ pages thread about it (that would be crazy for multiple reasons, no one ever did that).

It's actually very easy to do it wrong. While I may have misread or misunderstood something, I don't even think there was clear indication that you have to pursue all girls to progress. Without being aware of that (actually, I'd say always), the natural choice is to (first) focus on the ones I like most. If it happens to be Chika before Rin, then there's none of those no-matter-how-much-obvious warnings, until it's too late. In other words, if it's so easily missable, can you really blame the player for that?

And it's not the only thing like that. I had to resort to looking at walkthough after about 200 in-game days, because I run out of ideas what else I could do. It turned out it was the probably quite early "The Letter T" event, it just didn't occur to me to select the choice leading to it. I don't know what's the soonest you can trigger it, but since another event that depends on it is listed at day 102+, it took me at least double time. And I don't think it was entirely my fault either. Sure, it was me who missed it, but there's quite a lot of choices, so it can easily happen when hunting for the one that moves you forward, when you have no idea in advance when and where it will be.

I'm not really complaining, just saying that things may be obvious to hardcore fans who know the game inside and out, but not so much to everyone else.
There is no 'right order' to play in, there is no requirement unless a prerequisite is involved, however, it is still the player's responsibility when their actions, or lack thereof in some cases, cause a negative outcome. The general rule of thumb for this game is to progress each girl in case a character event is a prerequisite to a main event, of which there are multiple cases, including the beach event. In doing so, you would trigger Cafe Mocha and would, by extension, learn of Rin's crush and the warnings she gives.

You don't have to read 200+ pages, top right, there's a search function. Plus this issue is the most talked about issue in the entire game, so it is likely to appear on nearly every other page of the thread, not just a select few of the 200+. By the way, apparently my name is now no one because I did exactly that, several times, without the search function. I've spent hours on this thread combing for answers alone.

It is very easy to do it wrong, you're right, but it is even easier to do it right. It only takes knowledge gained from a single event. Yes, there are multiple triggers involving specific character events, which are events for specific girls. There is a trigger list in this thread, I would suggest reading it for proof of this.

The natural choice is to do what gives the best outcome for the girl you want. In the case of Rin, that means not playing Chika's Schadenfreude event before the beach event is over. If you, collective you, miss the warnings because you didn't play the event, you chose to do so, making it your fault she was betrayed. There are multiple events like this, where you can miss them for not doing something, this just happens to be the most talked about of the bunch. Most lust events can be missed as well if you fail to grind the lust stat high enough in time and most first lust events serve as a lockout for future lust events. In all cases above, it was the player's decision that led to missing the event, so yes, the player and only the player can and should bear the blame.

Spending more time than necessary to unlock events is a consequence of not doing certain things, events that serve as prerequisites in the case you, personal you this time, presented.

There is only one person in this thread who knows the game inside and out, even the 'hardcore fans' are just along for the ride. That one person is Selebus himself.

Which game is the two girls on the right from?
I know the orange hair is from Champions of Realms and her name is Estia, not sure of the other.

I hadn't heard of Android Life before, so checked the parteon. Not really my kinda game, but did come across this, which I think is worth sharing here:

"Caring too much <3" ... Why do I get the feeling this is gonna become canon eventually?
That smile Rin has, though. I mean at least it isn't her creepy delirium smile, but she looks like she did something and not the good kind of something.

lol, bit late for that, since i used the beach reset cheat code. jesus christ selebus never fails to make this shit go to 100 in a heartbeat. kinda worried about those ramifications
Hence why I will take a reload over the possibilities cheating introduces.
 
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I hadn't heard of Android Life before, so checked the parteon. Not really my kinda game, but did come across this, which I think is worth sharing here:

"Caring too much <3" ... Why do I get the feeling this is gonna become canon eventually?
Dam- this art looks glorious!!!
Android is pretty much for those who loves getting femdom-ed...
 
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Dam- this art looks glorious!!!
Android is pretty much for those who loves getting femdom-ed...
Yeah, figured. I don't mind a bit of femdom every so often, but when it's the main focus of a game or something, it end up being too much for me.
 
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The natural choice is to do what gives the best outcome for the girl you want. In the case of Rin, that means not playing Chika's Schadenfreude event before the beach event is over. If you, collective you, miss the warnings because you didn't play the event, you chose to do so, making it your fault she was betrayed. There are multiple events like this, where you can miss them for not doing something, this just happens to be the most talked about of the bunch. Most lust events can be missed as well if you fail to grind the lust stat high enough in time and most first lust events serve as a lockout for future lust events. In all cases above, it was the player's decision that led to missing the event, so yes, the player and only the player can and should bear the blame.
I guess I finally see the point of contention here. You're counting not doing the event as a conscious choice as if we know the consequences of not doing the event ahead of time. I really don't agree with that but I guess I at least understand your position now.

I really don't see how I can know that I need a certain number lust points for Ami or Ayane before the beach event until I've actually played the beach event and seen I need them. Especially since I don't know when the beach event will trigger the first time. Just like I can't know going after Chika will result in Rin's betrayal until I do the events in that order and see the outcome.

In that respect, I guess it is like real life since we don't know the outcome of our decisions ahead of time but I'm still holding that doesn't count as a betrayal. But it is very clear we will not agree on this.

it's obvious the way this game is supposed to be played, you're going to stumble around the first few times and learn things the hard way. That's how Selebus wants you to play. That's why I see it more as a mistake than a betrayal.

But for the record, the triggers you are talking about you think should clue people in on this? Do not have to happen before we move on Chika. I've checked the code. You're just wrong on that. There is even a check to see if you're done the Chika event before cafe15 already and it changes the dialogue. And cafe15 is essentially the first time a hint is dropped she likes her. There is some awkwardness when you see her in the hall the first time but that is not enough to come to that conclusion. And once again, you can already have done Chika's event before that.

But go ahead and tell me I'm wrong again, even though I'm not. I get it. You're a superfan who likes the game 100% and doesn't like people to criticize it. It's cool. You just keep fighting that fight while the rest of us move on.
 
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I guess I finally see the point of contention here. You're counting not doing the event as a conscious choice as if we know the consequences of not doing the event ahead of time. I really don't agree with that but I guess I at least understand your position now.

I really don't see how I can know that I need a certain number lust points for Ami or Ayane before the beach event until I've actually played the beach event and seen I need them. Especially since I don't know when the beach event will trigger the first time. Just like I can't know going after Chika will result in Rin's betrayal until I do the events in that order and see the outcome.

In that respect, I guess it is like real life since we don't know the outcome of our decisions ahead of time but I'm still holding that doesn't count as a betrayal. But it is very clear we will not agree on this.

it's obvious the way this game is supposed to be played, you're going to stumble around the first few times and learn things the hard way. That's how Selebus wants you to play. That's why I see it more as a mistake than a betrayal.

But for the record, the triggers you are talking about you think should clue people in on this? Do not have to happen before we move on Chika. I've checked the code. You're just wrong on that. There is even a check to see if you're done the Chika event before cafe15 already and it changes the dialogue. And cafe15 is essentially the first time a hint is dropped she likes her. There is some awkwardness when you see her in the hall the first time but that is not enough to come to that conclusion. And once again, you can already have done Chika's event before that.

But go ahead and tell me I'm wrong again, even though I'm not. I get it. You're a superfan who likes the game 100% and doesn't like people to criticize it. It's cool. You just keep fighting that fight while the rest of us move on.
Because not doing the event IS a conscious choice. Once again, the VERY well known general rule of thumb in this game is to raise everyone just in case a character event serves as a prerequisite for another unseen event of any type, which multiple do. It is also VERY well known that there are consequences for doing or not doing certain things and is VERY well known that this is one of them because it is the number one most talked about topic in the entire thread.

You can tell you will need lust points because each lust event is listed in the event tracker in bright pink until it is completed or failed, in which case it turns the color befitting the outcome that occured in your, collective your, play through. It is VERY well known that both lust events and character events occur in increments of 5, Selebus has stated this multiple times as have other users. That automatically gives you the number you need and tells you if you need more.

There is a trigger list in this thread, so not knowing when the beach event occurs is easily remedied. There is only one beach event in the context we are speaking of.

Cafe Mocha specifically tells you not to pursue Chika yet through Rin's dialogue. Because Cafe Mocha is an event that only occurs on player interaction, it is your, collective your, responsibility to trigger it in order to gain the knowledge necessary for the best possible outcome in the beach event.

No, it is a betrayal because Rin asked you not to go after Chika and you still did. Just because you didn't watch an event doesn't mean it didn't occur within the world of the game, in fact, most games count events skipped by players as having occurred, including this one as far as I can tell. I can also see we will never see eye to eye here.

Yes, as Selebus said, he WANTS us to fail at first. It wasn't a mistake because player Sensei never accidentally starts things with Chika. Sure, if things happened in the heat of the moment, I could see it being considered a mistake, but it would play out VERY differently. Rin would still become depressed, might even still be a bit upset, but both Chika and player Sensei would have come clean and been apologetic that they let the moment get to them. No, player Sensei specifically chose to pursue Chika once Schadenfreude is triggered. He could have stopped it before it was too late, but he did not. The player's decision to trigger Schadenfreude is also a betrayal because of player Sensei's conscious decision to allow things to proceed against the promise he made to Rin.

I'm well aware they don't HAVE to happen before Schadenfreude, but the only way for them not to is for the player to make the decision not to go through Rin's Cafe Mocha event before they get that far. This decision makes it their fault. I'm not wrong because I never once said it had to happen before Schadenfreude would trigger. In fact, every time this specific line has come up, I have specifically stated that there is only one way to get to Schadenfreude without first seeing the warnings not to do Schadenfreude and that one way is to choose not to do Rin's Cafe Mocha event until it is too late.

Yes, Cafe15, that's the variable name for the event Cafe Mocha, is when you both get the news that Rin likes Chika, directly stated by player Sensei, by the way, AND when you are warned NOT to pursue Chika yet. I've been saying this, that Cafe Mocha is both the reveal of her crush and the warning not to go for Chika. I've said this multiple times in our exchange alone.

Once again, if you didn't do Cafe Mocha and receive the warning it gives, it was your, collective your, decision not to do it and not to get that warning.

I don't care if people criticize the game, no, I'm not a 'superfan' or anything of the sort. While the game has done enough to earn a deep respect toward Selebus among other things, I am open to criticism. In fact, criticism helps games grow as long as it isn't something that interferes with the developer's vision. In Selebus's vision, you are expected to fail, you are expected to gather information that WILL come up later. This is actually why Selebus does not budge on the 'happy' events when a user comments about them being too creepy or scary, because those are main plot elements that often bear important information such as answers to certain puzzles in certain events. If you don't gather information as expected, you have guaranteed failure or at least guaranteed you'll be spinning your wheels for several hours straight trying to figure out the latest puzzle, that was me in this build. I had gathered the information, however, where I failed was I didn't take it down in a note of some sort for use when it popped up again and I forgot it, so I had to snoop in the code.
 
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Playing different games but everytime I see the dam- sky, I always get reminded of Hope-sama
Every sky I look at, I always see THEM...
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Dev, plz help this poor person and mail me some meds

ED: Seeing this heart thing pretty much confirms it...It's official...Selebus is guaranteed, ceritfied 100% SADIST...
plz help...
 
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Can someone please answer some questions I have regarding the game -

1. Are the H scenes replayable or they appear only once during the story?

2. If they are replayable, can I change the outfits during the H scenes?

3. How is the exhibitionism content?

It would be great if someone can give me these details before I play the game.
 

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Can someone please answer some questions I have regarding the game -

1. Are the H scenes replayable or they appear only once during the story?

2. If they are replayable, can I change the outfits during the H scenes?

3. How is the exhibitionism content?

It would be great if someone can give me these details before I play the game.
1) Yes but in two different ways. There are repeatable animations that will increase your lust stat with the girls and more story-driven scenes that show up once and can be replayed through a gallery.

2) Most of them have set outfits but the Invite Over animations (Which are unlocked much further into the story) have outfits that can be changed.

3) Extremely mild.

It’s important to note, though, that if you are playing this game just for porn that you are going to be disappointed. That is very much not the point of the game and only makes up a small portion of it.
 

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But go ahead and tell me I'm wrong again, even though I'm not. I get it. You're a superfan who likes the game 100% and doesn't like people to criticize it. It's cool. You just keep fighting that fight while the rest of us move on.
That's a bit much, don't ya think? It's not that people don't want you to criticize, it's that the criticism is kinda pointless, as Sensei in this current route is a piece of shit.
 

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That's a bit much, don't ya think? It's not that people don't want you to criticize, it's that the criticism is kinda pointless, as Sensei in this current route is a piece of shit.
If that were the case, there wouldn't be a choice to be a good homie or a bad one. The fact that there is a choice means it's valid criticism.

On that note, I give. You haven't changed my mind and I'm not going to change either of yours. So in essence it makes the discussion pointless. So we'll both enjoy the game in our own way and be done with it.
 
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The fact that so many people vehemently despise the whole homie thing makes me so much happier about doing it tbh.

Like, having such strong thoughts on the matter and seeing arguments like that is a testament to how many people actually care about the game and that makes me feel very good.
 

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The fact that so many people vehemently despise the whole homie thing makes me so much happier about doing it tbh.

Like, having such strong thoughts on the matter and seeing arguments like that is a testament to how many people actually care about the game and that makes me feel very good.
I wouldn't say I despise it, just not a fan of how you can stumble into it with no warning.

But I do agree that it does show how much people care about the game. I wouldn't be here arguing about it if this wasn't a great game. So in that sense, it's pretty brilliant. :)
 
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