Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.41.0] [Selebus]

[seventhsword]

Thank you for not leaking the game today.
With 9 hours still to go, this is already the biggest release day in LiL's history at 51 new patrons and counting.

Count me as one more. It's amazing how this became my favorite game on the whole site. Thanks for the hard work.

 

[robsta109]

can some1 tell me how to move on? im stuck.. 3 weeks have gone and the only event i did was karins

Kirin, Makoto, and Chika are 19pt2. Don't forget you have phone numbers to call and try to remember where you saw some characters for the first time. There is an order that some of these work in and it won't work without the correct order.

 

[Lolicon Kami]

can some1 tell me how to move on? im stuck.. 3 weeks have gone and the only event i did was karins

Check which events you have yet to unlock.

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, and you'll get a rough idea of what to do I also recommend you to use an online save editor to bolster stats for all girls. One caution: I recommend you avoid doing Chika's Schadenfreude event until you see the Chika-Rin event at the beach

 

[Twistty]

Selebus: When you (I assume it's you) update the first post with new files, don't forget to update the Patch Text. As of this post it still states that the patch will only work with 18p1, instead of 19p1. ;-)

Keep being awesome.. and weird.. and keep fucking with our minds!

Thank you - fixed now!

 

[dingdong247]

How to progress the main event in update 19p2. I've done all Karin, Wakana, Chinami and Osako's events but cant find Chika, Makotos' or Kirin's. This shit's getting tedious and I've maxed the hell out of all the characters points.

 

[Bingoogus]

Man, i've gotten past the dorm war and still chugging along the content but i feel compelled to come here and bitch about a second element of this game that i feel is yet another example of it getting in the way of itself. The fucking monologues, jesus christ man, every single fucking scene needing an 18 page pretentious philosophical essay from the MC before things actually move on to conversing with the scene's other characters. I'm sick of reading them, they're all vapid and empty, boo hoo, the MC is an unfeeling sex-addict, cool story bro, now can we move on to something actually interesting? No? Another 36 page essay on how the stars make him think about how feelings are dumb, just do the sex and no cares all times? Wow, haven't read that exact same thing 50 million other times in this game...

I hate this game and i cannot stand how i am forced to get through it cause my brain is an asshole that refuses to let go of things unfinished.

 

[Wafflewaffuru]

Man, i've gotten past the dorm war and still chugging along the content but i feel compelled to come here and bitch about a second element of this game that i feel is yet another example of it getting in the way of itself. The fucking monologues, jesus christ man, every single fucking scene needing an 18 page pretentious philosophical essay from the MC before things actually move on to conversing with the scene's other characters. I'm sick of reading them, they're all vapid and empty, boo hoo, the MC is an unfeeling sex-addict, cool story bro, now can we move on to something actually interesting? No? Another 36 page essay on how the stars make him think about how feelings are dumb, just do the sex and no cares all times? Wow, haven't read that exact same thing 50 million other times in this game...

I hate this game and i cannot stand how i am forced to get through it cause my brain is an asshole that refuses to let go of things unfinished.

I THINK Selebus does that as a way to break the 4th wall so to speak. That and show his mental state, as he's evolving and such. Because his jaded ass personality does start to eventually change somewhat. It's slow, but you do see growth. But I'm not Selebus so I can't speak for him. It does get irritating at times, because a lot of it IS REDUNDANT information but we don't exactly know why the MC is the way he is.

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Overall, I think it's just for us to get a clear picture of his mental state as these things happen.

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[Bingoogus]

I THINK Selebus does that as a way to break the 4th wall so to speak. That and show his mental state, as he's evolving and such. Because his jaded ass personality does start to eventually change somewhat. It's slow, but you do see growth. But I'm not Selebus so I can't speak for him. It does get irritating at times, because a lot of it IS REDUNDANT information but we don't exactly know why the MC is the way he is.

The problem is that the 4th wall breaks are a big part of my first major problem with this game getting in the way of itself and i couldn't care less about the MC's mental state, dude's a narcissistic predator, i don't play these games to care about the MC, they're an escape from my own dreary empty life, so the endlessly growing pile of redundant monologues on an infantile philosophy are like nails on a chalkboard for me, i click through them with as light a skim as possible, tch'ing every time i need to scroll back a screen cause i went too fast.

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Wouldn't care if he was butt raped throughout his entire childhood by both parents, repressed memories are as tired a trope as ending things with 'it was all a dream', it's faux mystery by pointless obfuscation, allowing the author to drip feed the story's 'shocking' elements in. It's the thriller equivalent of a jump scare. Big whoop whatever the fuck his back story is. I'm more interested in finding out why the main menu says feed Chinamil, like, why is the L there?

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Again with the repressed memories crap, i don't care, i haven't enjoyed that trope since i was a teenager.

I just want to say again to anyone reading this, don't take anything i say as a personal attack, i'm a very bitter and opinionated person and this game is just not for someone like me, all power to you if you love it, i do not judge those for enjoying things i do not. I would be more than happy to leave this game and all its fans behind, unmolested, but i am only human and need to vent on occasion.

 

[Smarmint]

Man, i've gotten past the dorm war and still chugging along the content but i feel compelled to come here and bitch about a second element of this game that i feel is yet another example of it getting in the way of itself. The fucking monologues

Well, to each his own of course, but I like the monologues and general writing in LiL. I think that is 70% of what makes it stand apart for me, it's not the graphics. The story is the other 30 %. Trying to decipher what makes each character the way they are, even the MC, is what makes it fun to play update after update.

Normally, in games the interest flags once the relationships are fully realized, so to speak. There just isn't much more after that to drive the story or the interest of the player, in these games. In LiL, however, there is so much that is unknown about just about everything, and what we do know is interesting enough, to make me want to find out more.

Pretty much every character is their own mystery. Just when I think I have a few of them figured out, Ayane or Makoto, for instance, something happens in the story to realize that I've only scratched the surface of their character. The MC's monologues are part of that. In essense, he is learning about himself, slowly.
That is what makes LiL truly great, in my opinion.

 

[Wafflewaffuru]

Holy fuck i'm actually at a loss as to what I should be doing right now.
Up to now, I've not missed any events, 100% EVERYTHING lol.
I've gone to chika at the mall, her dorm, called her, invited her over.
Makoto I've called, invited over, visited her at the porn shop, visited her at the dorm.
Kirin I've called over, visited at the soccer field, called her, and visited her dorm but I can't get anything to trigger. The only things I have are the main events and their lust events.

 

[worthlesspeon]

Normally, in games the interest flags once the relationships are fully realized, so to speak. There just isn't much more after that to drive the story or the interest of the player, in these games. In LiL, however, there is so much that is unknown about just about everything, and what we do know is interesting enough, to make me want to find out more.

The game does get in the way of itself in that regard. The cast is so damn large, and many of them don't seem very plot relevant. Having regular updates for all of the cast means it takes a while for the plot to build up. The supernatural stuff is what's really interesting here, and that's drip fed at such a slow rate that it's hard to maintain interest. It's not as obvious during the first play through since it takes a long ass time to catch up to present day. But once you're at the biweekly updates, you realize the plot just stalls out for a while.

I'm probably just going to revert to playing the latest build whenever there's a new Maya or Yumi event. So once or twice a year I guess.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Holy fuck i'm actually at a loss as to what I should be doing right now.
Up to now, I've not missed any events, 100% EVERYTHING lol.
I've gone to chika at the mall, her dorm, called her, invited her over.
Makoto I've called, invited over, visited her at the porn shop, visited her at the dorm.
Kirin I've called over, visited at the soccer field, called her, and visited her dorm but I can't get anything to trigger. The only things I have are the main events and their lust events.

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Look at the Main Girl events for Makoto, Chika, and Miku. If there's exactly one event, and it's a lust (pink title) event, then they're all kicked off during the beach trip, and the beach trip should kick off on its own.

 

[Wafflewaffuru]

Look at the Main Girl events for Makoto, Chika, and Miku. If there's exactly one event, and it's a lust (pink title) event, then they're all kicked off during the beach trip, and the beach trip should kick off on its own.

Yeah that's what happened. I had to just blow through a week, cuz my old save ended on a saturday afternoon.

 

[seamanq]

Look at the Main Girl events for Makoto, Chika, and Miku. If there's exactly one event, and it's a lust (pink title) event, then they're all kicked off during the beach trip, and the beach trip should kick off on its own.

I have a pink event for Chika and Makoto, but never had any additional events for Miku since I loaded 19.0 Part 2. Should I?

 

[JT17]

PDF guides updated to 0.16.0p2. Guide mod updated to 0.19.0.

This shouldn't need to be said, but only use the version of the mod that matches the version of the game you're using. Using an outdated version shouldn't actually break the game, but the new events will not appear on the event tracker.

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Is the guide mod updated to 19.0 part 2 or is it only 19.0 part 1?

 

[Cernunnos.]

Is the guide mod updated to 19.0 part 2 or is it only 19.0 part 1?

The post was updated after the game thread but when using the guide it wasn't showing the part 2 events so looks like it's not updated quite yet or something went wrong.

 

[Wafflewaffuru]

Man, i've gotten past the dorm war and still chugging along the content but i feel compelled to come here and bitch about a second element of this game that i feel is yet another example of it getting in the way of itself. The fucking monologues, jesus christ man, every single fucking scene needing an 18 page pretentious philosophical essay from the MC before things actually move on to conversing with the scene's other characters. I'm sick of reading them, they're all vapid and empty, boo hoo, the MC is an unfeeling sex-addict, cool story bro, now can we move on to something actually interesting? No? Another 36 page essay on how the stars make him think about how feelings are dumb, just do the sex and no cares all times? Wow, haven't read that exact same thing 50 million other times in this game...

I hate this game and i cannot stand how i am forced to get through it cause my brain is an asshole that refuses to let go of things unfinished.

KEK
Talk about breaking the 4th wall.

 

[JT17]

The post was updated after the game thread but when using the guide it wasn't showing the part 2 events so looks like it's not updated quite yet or something went wrong.

Yeah the post update part had me confused lol. I'll just wait until it's udated then.

 

[Wafflewaffuru]

Okay, so now that I've played this all the way through... I have a lot to get off my chest...
Don't click this if you haven't played through the update all the way. Seriously.

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[akselx]

Man, i've gotten past the dorm war and still chugging along the content but i feel compelled to come here and bitch about a second element of this game that i feel is yet another example of it getting in the way of itself. The fucking monologues, jesus christ man, every single fucking scene needing an 18 page pretentious philosophical essay from the MC before things actually move on to conversing with the scene's other characters. I'm sick of reading them, they're all vapid and empty, boo hoo, the MC is an unfeeling sex-addict, cool story bro, now can we move on to something actually interesting? No? Another 36 page essay on how the stars make him think about how feelings are dumb, just do the sex and no cares all times? Wow, haven't read that exact same thing 50 million other times in this game...

I hate this game and i cannot stand how i am forced to get through it cause my brain is an asshole that refuses to let go of things unfinished.

Man, I get what you mean, in my case though, I enjoy most of the monologues. Selebus would benefit from trimming them down, though.
And, while I do thing that it's fun to hate-read (hate-watch) things you don't like and that annoy you, I feel like games are different in that regard. Make an effort to quit this game for good, it's not good to torture yourself like that.

I will explain. From the top, he's rinsing and repeating an event - the beach trip - in a time and place that makes no sense. Now while the cast acknowledge the strangeness of this, where much smaller and less unusual things triggered a kind of sensory awareness of the loops (Makoto's headache, Ayane's thoughts of the rooftop, etc) one this huge is flying by completely undetected. While given the generally strange nature of Sel's game world, there should always be some measure of internal consistency involved: if there are no rules whatsoever, then breaking them means nothing.

My guess is that Selebus was too caught up with drawing parallels to with first beach event and how it went for Rin. In face of everything else that is happening there this doesn't feel like a big deal, but I get it. They just went there because they had to. Not very satisfying explanation, if you think about it.

From the last update - the one I have fully played and not been almost aggressively spoiled on, down to screencaps for proof - a few things fired off so suddenly that they could only be called abrupt. Sara's condoms (where have those been? I don't recall ever seeing one in action, so why does she have a Trojan treasure trove just lying around?) sparking up forced conflict with Sana, who by now seems to be a character that cannot drive her own story. There has to be an outside force; her timidity is so overwhelming that it interferes with her own story. That scene in Sara's room felt as though it only existed to force a conflict. It had no impact on Sara herself, only could have happened via contrivance (Sensei has never, once needed to enter that room without her being involved/the reason. But the first time he does, it just so happens that Sana is there, too, and in eyeshot of incriminating evidence that materialized from out of thin air?)

Agree. Also, don't really see a big problem with this.

But that's one thought that worried me for the future. The other - the main thrust, and what I was force-fed - is Rin. She spent literal years pining for Chika, building up the confession, grappling with what was surely rooted in hormones but may have grown to be something more emotionally genuine. The build-up, the tear down, it all meant a lot for her and her relationship with Sensei. For better or worse.
So when along comes Otoha, and immediately Rin is so down bad that it puts to shame the torch she carried for Chika for literal years, it spits on the idea of her burgeoning maturity. She's not growing from that gem of an event on the beach, or the callout in her dorm room; she's repeating the exact same actions with none of the groundwork.

I, again, agree, but in this case I think that might have been the point. We can actually see both Otoha and Chika noticing this (and Otoha verbally acknowledging) and being somewhat uncomfortable with how easy Rin switches. And yes, Rin is not growing (although she's better at confessing now) and I think it's a set up for possible crash and burn.

We see Rin meet Otoha in real time: we are literally there at the instant they learn one another's names. And yet, in spite of this, Rin's ludicrous infatuation is treated as being more real than what she felt for Chika.

Is it? Remember how her brief hook up with Sensei was presented? That seem to be the thing with her. Interestingly, she ignored Otoha's request to promise her that she would be the only possible partner. She's so into her romance that she's not listening to anyone, including subject of her own affection.

Meanwhile we have Otoha "yeah I'm mad uncomfortable here so I'm just gonna walk away" being put up on a pedestal to the extent that Sel rushed Molly's unrequited love - nearly turning her into a bloody rapist in the process - and had Rin, who more than anyone else in the entire game should know to treat the emotionally desperate with care, straight up threaten to rescind her and Molly's friendship over the act of just trying to get her feelings off her chest.

I think it was Sel's attempt at showing that when someone's in Rin's mind, that all she thinks and cares about. It was the same with Sensei at that once scene. She didn't care about Otoha at that moment.
But her callousness was off putting and very on the nose, to the point that I think it's might have been purposefully set up for something we'll explore later. At least I hope.
And I agree about Molly - her plot was rushed. It was properly set up, just rushed. I could see her blowing up at roleplay session, but not assaulting Rin.

That's Rin; that's the girl with the razor, who threw down so hard to help Futaba, who caught perhaps the most genuine case of feelings during that one moment with Sensei (which, as of now, cannot be referenced or followed up on lest it damage the newly-minted actual relationship she is in. Which makes that arc, until matters change, absolutely meaningless.),

That's the point. I recon that's a next big thing for Rin, maneuvering between Sensei's advances and her own frivolousness.

now seen effectively stamping her feet because Molly - someone else she has at least known for some time - cannot measure up to some random apathetic musician who spent most of her events affirming that romance isn't her thing and that she can't deal with Rin's advances. Except she actually can, because silly her - she was interested all along and there's no doubt now. Gosh, can you believe it? How amazing.

Yea, I don't feel as strongly about this as you, but I agree that Otoha's interest in Rin could have been set up better. You forgot to mention that Wakana's overdose came out of nowhere and wasn't foreshadowed at all, but yeah.

I enjoyed this update a lot, even though it somewhat felt like a mid-season finale in drama show, but I guess it is drama show.