Is there a way to start from specified update? Forgot to backup saves when i formatted my disks. Was on 0.15 or 0.16 i think
Nope, the only way to start from somewhere other than the beginning is to load a save.
Man, i've gotten past the dorm war and still chugging along the content but i feel compelled to come here and bitch about a second element of this game that i feel is yet another example of it getting in the way of itself. The fucking monologues, jesus christ man, every single fucking scene needing an 18 page pretentious philosophical essay from the MC before things actually move on to conversing with the scene's other characters. I'm sick of reading them, they're all vapid and empty, boo hoo, the MC is an unfeeling sex-addict, cool story bro, now can we move on to something actually interesting? No? Another 36 page essay on how the stars make him think about how feelings are dumb, just do the sex and no cares all times? Wow, haven't read that exact same thing 50 million other times in this game...
I hate this game and i cannot stand how i am forced to get through it cause my brain is an asshole that refuses to let go of things unfinished.
All vapid and empty, just like player Sensei. If you have a vapid and empty character giving a monologue, said monologue is also going to be vapid and empty. That is by design because that's just how player Sensei is.
I will explain. From the top, he's rinsing and repeating an event - the beach trip - in a time and place that makes no sense. Now while the cast acknowledge the strangeness of this, where much smaller and less unusual things triggered a kind of sensory awareness of the loops (Makoto's headache, Ayane's thoughts of the rooftop, etc) one this huge is flying by completely undetected. While given the generally strange nature of Sel's game world, there should always be some measure of internal consistency involved: if there are no rules whatsoever, then breaking them means nothing.
From the last update - the one I have fully played and not been almost aggressively spoiled on, down to screencaps for proof - a few things fired off so suddenly that they could only be called abrupt. Sara's condoms (where have those been? I don't recall ever seeing one in action, so why does she have a Trojan treasure trove just lying around?) sparking up forced conflict with Sana, who by now seems to be a character that cannot drive her own story. There has to be an outside force; her timidity is so overwhelming that it interferes with her own story. That scene in Sara's room felt as though it only existed to force a conflict. It had no impact on Sara herself, only could have happened via contrivance (Sensei has never, once needed to enter that room without her being involved/the reason. But the first time he does, it just so happens that Sana is there, too, and in eyeshot of incriminating evidence that materialized from out of thin air?)
But that's one thought that worried me for the future. The other - the main thrust, and what I was force-fed - is Rin. She spent literal years pining for Chika, building up the confession, grappling with what was surely rooted in hormones but may have grown to be something more emotionally genuine. The build-up, the tear down, it all meant a lot for her and her relationship with Sensei. For better or worse.
So when along comes Otoha, and immediately Rin is so down bad that it puts to shame the torch she carried for Chika for literal years, it spits on the idea of her burgeoning maturity. She's not growing from that gem of an event on the beach, or the callout in her dorm room; she's repeating the exact same actions with none of the groundwork. We see Rin meet Otoha in real time: we are literally there at the instant they learn one another's names. And yet, in spite of this, Rin's ludicrous infatuation is treated as being more real than what she felt for Chika. Someone she at least knew and understood. Someone who didn't leave her hanging in her dorm room because she valued her too much, rejection and all. Meanwhile we have Otoha "yeah I'm mad uncomfortable here so I'm just gonna walk away" being put up on a pedestal to the extent that Sel rushed Molly's unrequited love - nearly turning her into a bloody rapist in the process - and had Rin, who more than anyone else in the entire game should know to treat the emotionally desperate with care, straight up threaten to rescind her and Molly's friendship over the act of just trying to get her feelings off her chest. That's Rin; that's the girl with the razor, who threw down so hard to help Futaba, who caught perhaps the most genuine case of feelings during that one moment with Sensei (which, as of now, cannot be referenced or followed up on lest it damage the newly-minted actual relationship she is in. Which makes that arc, until matters change, absolutely meaningless.), now seen effectively stamping her feet because Molly - someone else she has at least known for some time - cannot measure up to some random apathetic musician who spent most of her events affirming that romance isn't her thing and that she can't deal with Rin's advances. Except she actually can, because silly her - she was interested all along and there's no doubt now. Gosh, can you believe it? How amazing. Nevermind that a chunk of the class hugged and cried and celebrated this tangle of contrivances (Molly would not be that violent; Rin would not be that cruel; Otoha wouldn't give a shit about romance as we've seen her) while Molly was quite literally left out in the cold with only one friend willing - and unable - to help her. There has been enough groundwork on each of these girls to have a basis to work from. Some idea of who they are, how they act. And in this instant, Sel ignored all of the framework for all 3 of them to simply make things happen. Yes it's the same setup, situation, location and scenario as with Chika. Yes there are ample reasons from both inside and outside the game why it will fail. But that was just to pull a Rian Johnson and subvert expectations, you see? Now those swaths of Rin's arc - the suffering, the cutting, the bond with Sensei, the past with Molly - can all be buried in a ditch, because this end must be achieved.
I have seen amazing work out of Sel before. And this, in its entirety, is a bloody embarrassment. It's forced, it's lazy, and it's malicious. That was why I oof'd.
Again, this is all by design, otherwise the cast wouldn't have acknowledged it. You didn't see Sara's 'stash' because even player Sensei hadn't noticed them. In this game, we are not some external viewer, we ARE player Sensei. We are therefore only able to see what he sees. If he doesn't notice something, we won't notice it. Sana's timidity can't interfere with her story because it IS her story, the whole point of her story is dealing with it. The evidence didn't materialize out of thin air, again, they were always there, but because player Sensei didn't notice, we didn't notice, either. Rin doesn't know how to handle these feelings, so she finds herself repeating what coould be the exact same events she had with Chika all over with Otoha. This is a case of what happens when you don't learn from history, that history being Rin's previous fail in this case. She is setting herself up to fail again. Molly's unrequited love wasn't rushed, it was perfectly timed. It was going to happen regardless at that point, the only thing that changed was what happened at the end of that event prior to learning about Molly in it. Rin's infatuation with Otoha isn't bigger for no reason, she's still feeling the residual effect from her rejection, it hurt her more than what we saw in the events between the beach rejection and falling for Otoha. She's coping and that took the form of her mind latching onto another girl in this case. She didn't know about that emotional desperation, you can't treat what you don't know in a way you don't know it should be treated. By the time she did find out, she was in a position that led to what we saw. It was a case of VERY bad timing to get those feelings out, plus they are young girls, which are typically emotionally volatile to the point the slightest thing can set them off. The arc isn't meaningless, it is still building up to something even greater than what was possible up to that point. You're right, Molly CAN'T measure up because Rin has no feelings for her in any other way than what we knew before. They are friends, no more, no less. Otoha was in a sort of denial, she was afraid of the multiple things that could go wrong, which took the form of not accepting Rin from the start. I can't say for sure exactly when she initially began to realize that what she felt wasn't a lack of feelings since that is never mentioned, we only get the points in time we did, not the in between. There was no framework ignored, Selebus worked off the framework provided by Rin's previous experience with Chika and her issues. There was no subversion of expectations, and Rian Johnson did just fine by the way. Those points in Rin's arc aren't and won't be buried in a ditch, they are what caused all this to happen. Everything that has happened involving Rin has led to this.
Again, there is no issue here, it was all as planned. It wasn't forced, it was built from the very beginning.
Okay, so now that I've played this all the way through... I have a lot to get off my chest...
Don't click this if you haven't played through the update all the way. Seriously.
Rin's trying to get over Chika at this point because that is the only path forward. There can be no happiness with Chika in the intended way, so Rin must move forward without her for her own sake. We saw what happened, it could literally end in her death if she continues to brood over what has already been said and done. This is Rin's first attempt at love, she doesn't know what to expect or how to go through with it. Sure, she actually went through with a confession, exactly once, but she's still scared and doesn't have any experience with love.
In fact, she's even more scared now BECAUSE she was rejected. I could easily see another heartbreak arc, Rin is making a TON of mistakes in the aftermath in an effort to cope with the lingering feelings for Chika she knows she needs to get over. She is setting herself up to repeat history and that could lead to a VERY bad situation, worse than the rejection from Chika, that hopefully we can get her out of. She is emotionally vulnerable, she doesn't want to mess up anything she has going and Molly is one way she could. She had to put Molly down and hard because it was the only way given how bad Molly had it for her. This is definitely setup for an even greater fall. Nonee of the previous plot was ignored and nothing was rushed, it literally built up to this moment. The way I see it, something VERY bad is going to happen and, for once, we will be the ones to rescue her. That's the impression I get so far.
Yeah, definitely with you on being caught off guard, you really have to watch out with this game because it tends to blindside the player. You're right, there could be a lot we don't know about her depression, the same as we didn't know Rin was self harming in the earlier builds of the game. These things tend to go on in secret until and unless they are discovered by another person. In the case of Rin, that's exactly what happened, we found out she had a history of self harm through her "Delirium" event. This is why I mentioned her lingering feelings being a threat to her own life. Suicide attempts can happen VERY abruptly in real life, especially with depression involved. Actually, if anything, any attempt here so far isn't abrupt enough.
Tsuneyo is definitely underrated, I'm not going to say best girl material, but definitely underrated.
Nodoka was involved, that typically means things are going to get weird in one way or another.
The Maya/Noriko interaction definitely added to the game, can't wait to see more of stuff like that.
It actually wasn't the game update Selebus was talking about when he said it was the best ever, he was talking about the number of incoming patrons. He had the single largest increase in patrons with this update. I've been playing since the very first update and I would definitely not call this second worst nor would calling it that be a bad thing since there hasn't been an update that was just outright bad. All of the updates so far have been above average, yes some weaker than others, but that is just going to happen when the previous update sets an extremely high bar. I am fully in support of 100% of this update as it happened. Selebus doesn't need to find his mojo, he already has it, he always has. I fully expect Rin to end up with player Sensei, eventually. She's scared and she's trying to figure it all out with no experience to fall back on. Given time, and given what has already occurred, she'll come around. Remember that she is admittedly bi with a greater attraction toward girls, we have to wait for that to fully swing in the other direction, which will take time, especially with everything else compounding the issue.
Man, I get what you mean, in my case though, I enjoy most of the monologues. Selebus would benefit from trimming them down, though.
And, while I do thing that it's fun to hate-read (hate-watch) things you don't like and that annoy you, I feel like games are different in that regard. Make an effort to quit this game for good, it's not good to torture yourself like that.
My guess is that Selebus was too caught up with drawing parallels to with first beach event and how it went for Rin. In face of everything else that is happening there this doesn't feel like a big deal, but I get it. They just went there because they had to. Not very satisfying explanation, if you think about it.
Agree. Also, don't really see a big problem with this.
I, again, agree, but in this case I think that might have been the point. We can actually see both Otoha and Chika noticing this (and Otoha verbally acknowledging) and being somewhat uncomfortable with how easy Rin switches. And yes, Rin is not growing (although she's better at confessing now) and I think it's a set up for possible crash and burn.
Is it? Remember how her brief hook up with Sensei was presented? That seem to be the thing with her. Interestingly, she ignored Otoha's request to promise her that she would be the only possible partner. She's so into her romance that she's not listening to anyone, including subject of her own affection.
I think it was Sel's attempt at showing that when someone's in Rin's mind, that all she thinks and cares about. It was the same with Sensei at that once scene. She didn't care about Otoha at that moment.
But her callousness was off putting and very on the nose, to the point that I think it's might have been purposefully set up for something we'll explore later. At least I hope.
And I agree about Molly - her plot was rushed. It was properly set up, just rushed. I could see her blowing up at roleplay session, but not assaulting Rin.
That's the point. I recon that's a next big thing for Rin, maneuvering between Sensei's advances and her own frivolousness.
Yea, I don't feel as strongly about this as you, but I agree that Otoha's interest in Rin could have been set up better. You forgot to mention that Wakana's overdose came out of nowhere and wasn't foreshadowed at all, but yeah.
I enjoyed this update a lot, even though it somewhat felt like a mid-season finale in drama show, but I guess it is drama show.
Definite setup, I'd better get prepared because this one looks like it's going to hit Rin HARD. Rin is definitely the tunnel vision type when it comes to love. I get that, I'm the same actually. This tunnel vision could put her in a VERY dark place and I'm getting a very distinct feeling we get to be the light that guides her out of it, either that or our help will come too late.
