barglenarglezous

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it's kind of sad that those routes will be so far down the line though since this game is gonna be in-dev for a couple more years. give me Makoto purity route reeee.

purgatory makes sense, just not at this current build of the game. We cannot redeem ourselves right now, and it looks to be getting worse (it always does before it gets better), right now we can only watch as the other USER(s) fuck shit up with the girls and act like monsters. When we get purity routes and all that though I'd agree it's closer to purgatory then to hell because then we can actually maybe have a chance at redemption, as of now though we are basically soft-locked into being terrible people.
While there are ways that either of those could work, some symbolism suggests otherwise.

There's the Hindu concept of the Maya, or illusion, which is essentially that the world what we perceive it to be. Moreover, the spider is considered a symbol of Maya in Hindu mythology, and spiders are seen all over the game --mostly involving Kaori (her tattoo, she has them decorating her walls in her apartment, and she calls herself the queen of spiders),
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Which gives a very strong argument for "this whole scenario was engineered by Maya"
 
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Because Sensei's first instinct amongst a group of emotionally vulnerable underdevopled (emotionally) teenage girls was to exploit them for sex. And we are all extensions of Sensei, the worst predators imaginable exploiting young girls for pleasure when they are obviously not ready for it.

This game is about being happy.
it still seems a bit much, though.especially when Sensei already thinks he's a worst person.
 
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Guys what is happy event ? i need to have happy event for progress and cant find any scene. im stuck at after chinami event where yumi were angry and yell at me .
 

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Nopy was NOT shutdown due to lack of paid support from users.. it was shutdown because payment processors would no longer handle our payments to them. You can easily see this for yourself, click this link. We didn't expect a free lunch.
Oh, I've read it already several days ago. Let me explain something: if you rely ONLY on donations through micro-payments, and ONLY through "confidential" processors (like Stripe, I simply don't even know this service) and/or moralizing ones (like PayPal), you'll get what happened to Patreon: comply or shutdown. Usual banks aren't driven by "morality", but by LAWS. It changes a LOT of things.
So host service is not supported anymore. I expressly said: "Not supporting the host service is the reason why NoPy is shutting down...". I didn't said that people were NOT wanting to support it.

So... When I really want to support something, I use SEPA (Single Euro Payments Area) direct debits or VISA/Mastercard one-shot cards - my bank provides me a card number generator which include a payment ceiling and limited to a single debtor.
Setting up the infrastructure to be able to receive such payments isn't difficult, but you'll have to pay VAT and taxes - period. And unlike what happens with some payment processors, ALL expenses done directly through my bank are refunded within 24 hours if I claim for a fraud - there is a LAW about that, in my country.

There is also no countries where I cannot send a payment, and any normal company is able to process them. No exceptions. If a company cannot process my payments, I don't buy anything from them, that's very simple. It doesn't mean that I don't use a PayPal account too, but that I will never ever buy anything from a company that accept ONLY PayPal payments (or only third-party payment processors, to be honest). Because you'll never know if or when they'll be shutted down by these payment processors, therefore you'll not have anymore service (including a possibility of losing data/money) and/or no more warranty.
I highly doubt that someone can think about accepting cryptocurrencies while not setting up the required papers to process normal bank payments without intermediaries. NoPy did not do that, the result is there.

It's extremely dangerous to rely only on third-parties for payments instead of banks, since once settled everywhere, they can do any lobby they want to do and they can impose THEIR conditions and methods. If everybody want only to use PayPal, then PayPal will decide what is "good" and what is "wrong" to buy - again, see what happened to Patreon, or OnlyFans.
I'm not even using Google or Facebook because of that, and they're FREE, so why the heck would I trust exclusively such a company for my MONEY? :cautious: I don't even use credit cards (but only debit cards) for this exact reason! The fact that it's "easy" or "convenient" should NEVER be the reason to trust such a company when money is involved... In particular if it's free, because then something is rotten - either you're the product and/or controlled, or someone else is charged instead of you. My bank don't sell to anyone my creditors/debtors list, for example, or the global amount of money I spend each month. PayPal can, do it, and will ban your account if you use it for something they don't like. We speak about money, and for-profit business: a free service isn't even a possible thing. You pay it somehow, whatever you may think. That's a basic economy concept.


BTW, it still don't change the transfer rate problem with NoPy, which was WAY slower than Mega, and an obvious no-go for me - and most probably for most Mega users. So why would I had supported something like NoPy? Or AnonFiles? Or any other host service that isn't even reliable/efficient enough when I test it with a free account? I want my files with the shortest possible delay, not with the less possible steps. I'm not paying a gigabit landline connection to get a file at less than 10 MB/s just to avoid three mouse clicks - they can even be automated quite easily, if required.

And if one day Mega enforces its quota verification, then I would get a paid account without batting an eyelid - but like Microsoft, they probably don't care so much about "piracy" from individuals, and focus on business accounts instead. Also, Mega accept VISA, Mastercard, direct debits, even Bitcoins and some other options, but they do NOT accept PayPal... Just dropping the information, again...

Also we already have a user, RPDL, they are pre-seeding, and posting it in this thread. Which was a reply to the user that needed a mega-alternative.
And you still need someone else to do the job for you, instead of using a simple, quick trick that work for everyone without any need of anybody - but you and a fistful of users. And someone still has to pay for the seedbox(es).

It's still requesting a free lunch.

Like begging for compressed versions... Seriously? A 500 GB hard drive can be bought for 15 €... Enough for more than a HUNDRED of BIG games... I have a bit less than 100 games, they use only 275 GB - and ONLY because I want to keep them even when finished... I have more than one TERAbyte of AAA games (and all aren't even installed...), three terabytes of videos, even my music folder or my family pictures require more disk space than my porn games... Why should I care? Terabytes are cheap nowadays...


It also doesn't change the fact that, without numerous seeders, Torrent is inefficient, by design, and it's perfectly normal. As I said, I highly doubt that most people here will continue to seed after their downloads - and seeing how much they complain about archive sizes, they probably don't have a decent enough bandwidth to seed properly anyway...
I'm also quite sure that, if I launch the two downloads at the same time, I'll finish the Mega one way before the Torrent one.


But you can continue to complain on each release anyway: I'll still play the game way before you, each time.
 
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Yeah, that is kind of tangential to my point so I left it out on purpose, but I am %100 certain that Ayane was trying to tell Sensei she was pregnant, and lost the baby in the reset.

The exchange after they reset the world where Sensei asks how Ayane made it up there and Maya just flat out tells him its because he's horrible nails that for me. She knew why Ayane got there during a reset, because that's why SHE is up there every time. The part of sensei inside her is called to the point where it all began when ti's time to begin anew.

And that has some implications regarding Makoto, but Makoto did not appear during the reset proper, just during one of the last events prior to it, so that's not definitive.
Makes sense, but riddle me this:
If Maya stays the same between resets due to her pregnancy, then why did Ayane forget everything (or well, faintly recalls it as a dream, but pretty much everyone notices inconsistencies somewhere sometime)

For a guy who is so afraid of getting a girl pregnant that he'd kill himself over it, he probably ought to at least learn to pull out.
I may not be an expert at sex, but I think creampies are still better. Also he might have given in
Also there may have been some kind of accident or whatever. Sensei is not a constant, so whoever he gets pregnant could have the girl as the aggressor, wanting him to not leave by shackling him with fatherhood (which would be too much for him).

it still seems a bit much, though.especially when Sensei already thinks he's a worst person.
Just cause he knows he's a douche, doesn't excuse him.
It's like a murderer acknowledges what they're doing, but continue to do so.

Guys what is happy event ? i need to have happy event for progress and cant find any scene. im stuck at after chinami event where yumi were angry and yell at me .
Not too sure where you are, but if you aren't sure what a Happy event is, then check the event tracker.
Also you might want to go to the dorms and then "go home" without doing anything else. That one tends to get pretty much all of us.

Also what's everyone's problem with nopy? I never noticed anything wrong, since I do whatever else when I'm downloading.
 
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Just cause he knows he's a douche, doesn't excuse him.
It's like a murderer acknowledges what they're doing, but continue to do so.
right but still he is better than most of other MCs to me .also arent these girls are adults ? so i dont think he is bad as rapists .I've seen a lot of bad comments ,i just finished chapter 1 and i dont feel any good or bad feeling for him.
 

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right but still he is better than most of other MCs to me .also arent these girls are adults ? so i dont think he is bad as rapists .I've seen a lot of bad comments ,i just finished chapter 1 and i dont feel any good or bad feeling for him.
Still an age gap, power dynamic and lots of manipulation. There's only a couple girls where he is actually a positive influence on them, but that's just the theme of the game.

For a guy who is so afraid of getting a girl pregnant that he'd kill himself over it, he probably ought to at least learn to pull out.
This would be going on the assumption that's it even a conscious choice he is making. The Ami scene during Halloween as well as surrounding context aggressively suggests that he doesn't seem to be in control. But who is?
 

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As a true degenerate, I already liked Kirin a lot, but this update really brought her to the top of my list. She really pushes the buttons for all my worst fetishes. Assissted sexual assault of another girl, validating and encouraging the terrible actions or desires of the protagonist, consciously engaging in and encouraging heavily self-destructive behavior for the sake of "temporary bliss", as she puts it... That's a pretty rare stuff and I can't deny it really pushes some of my buttons, terrible though it may be. During the conversation about Molly, she kinda started to remind me of Euphoria and the way Nemu behaves towards the protagonist. Her persona seems somewhat fragile, but I'm looking forward to seeing how the situation develops.

Ironically, the other two members of my top 3 are actually Ayane and Chika for pretty much the opposite reasons as Kirin, so it does feel kind of bad to just throw Ayane under the bus with Kirin and now have her shift her gaze to Chika as well.
 

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While there are ways that either of those could work, some symbolism suggests otherwise.

There's the Hindu concept of the Maya, or illusion, which is essentially that the world what we perceive it to be. Moreover, the spider is considered a symbol of Maya in Hindu mythology, and spiders are seen all over the game --mostly involving Kaori (her tattoo, she has them decorating her walls in her apartment, and she calls herself the queen of spiders),
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Which gives a very strong argument for "this whole scenario was engineered by Maya"
The title song's translation says as much. The song is about a girl in love with someone she can only have in her dreams. I am for sure leaning towards "reality" being some sort of a Maya construct. Kinda like the whole careful what you wish for sort of thing. Maya wanted a happy Sensei back but ended up having to deal with the fact that Sensei is only happy when he bangs all her friends. Something to that effect anyways.
 

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If Maya stays the same between resets due to her pregnancy, then why did Ayane forget everything (or well, faintly recalls it as a dream, but pretty much everyone notices inconsistencies somewhere sometime)
Though I'm not 100% on-board with this theory yet, it does make sense. Assume that the condition for surviving the loop while retaining memory is to have at least a little bit of Sensei inside them (i.e: being preggers). Ayane got pregnant during one of the loops and thus she managed to stay a thing during the "cleanup" phase of the reset. However due to the fact that the reset reset her body (and thus the child inside her) she didn't go through the main reset unscathed.

Maya on the other hand got pregnant (assuming this theory is true) BEFORE the loops started, so when the reset resets her body, all it does is revert the progress of her pregnancy, it doesn't eliminate it entirely. Therefore she's able to maintain her memory through resets as she always has that small piece of Sensei inside her.
 
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Though I'm not 100% on-board with this theory yet, it does make sense. Assume that the condition for surviving the loop while retaining memory is to have at least a little bit of Sensei inside them (i.e: being preggers). Ayane got pregnant during one of the loops and thus she managed to stay a thing during the "cleanup" phase of the reset. However due to the fact that the reset reset her body (and thus the child inside her) she didn't go through the main rest unscathed.

Maya on the other hand got pregnant (assuming this theory is true) BEFORE the loops started, so when the reset resets her body, all it does is revert the progress of he pregnancy, it doesn't eliminate it entirely. Therefore she's able to maintain her memory through resets as she always has that small piece of Sensei inside her.
This theory in turn does lend some credence to Yasu's ravings about how having sex with everyone being the path to salvation, which is interesting.
 
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Makes sense, but riddle me this:
If Maya stays the same between resets due to her pregnancy, then why did Ayane forget everything (or well, faintly recalls it as a dream, but pretty much everyone notices inconsistencies somewhere sometime)
Theoretically, the reset puts everyone back at their "base" state, which would be established at the time the whole scenario began (long before the game started). If Sensei jumped because he found out she was pregnant, she was probably about six weeks along. She experiences the first trimester and the early part of the second trimester, the world resets, and she's back at six weeks.

Ayane became pregnant IN the scenario, so when the world resets, she goes back to not pregnant.

Now, Maya's ability to remember everything is not tied to the pregnancy so much as the fact that the game heavily implies that she's the reason the scenario is happening. I mentioned this in another comment, but Maya in Hindu mythology is the illusion of the world, or the understanding that the world as we perceive it is not the world as it is, and is symbolized by a spider who each night weaves a new day.

How she went about this is still unclear, but if the pregnancy was used to somehow bring this scenario into existence, then anyone pregnant with his child when it came time to reset might be needed to execute it as a pure side effect.
 
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Makes sense, but riddle me this:
If Maya stays the same between resets due to her pregnancy, then why did Ayane forget everything (or well, faintly recalls it as a dream, but pretty much everyone notices inconsistencies somewhere sometime)
maybe because this is the first time she's experienced it? It might just be a compounding effect, like, Maya might be as sentient as she is now because she's been carrying his child for many many many many many loops, whereas for Ayane she's only been pregnant for a couple of weeks, and was not impregnated before the loop begins, so she doesn't keep the child (and thus the ability to stay the same that Maya has)

Also what some other guys are saying above, if Ayane has only been pregnant in-loop she only has an <x> amount of weeks before it resets to before she got impregnated, that makes her lose the memory retaining benefits that carrying Sensei's child supposedly has.

If you look at it like an hourglass slowly filling the bottom half up with sand Maya would have been granted enough time to have completed the process whereas Ayane is only at the beginning before the reset flips the hourglass and brings the progress back to zero because she wasnt pregnant pre-loop.
 
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Another theory that isn't necessarily tied to the pregnancy theory, but is tied to the "this is Maya's fault" theory.

What's in Maya's boxes?

Sensei's body.Remember the scene during one reset where he has a conversation with Right and Left leg?

If he jumped from a rooftop Makoto refers to as "the top of the world" his body wouldn't be in a useable state. if Maya does somehow have the power to weave a new reality where she can be with Sensei (even in a monkey paw sort of way), then she likely also had the ability to give him a new body to use. But the old one is still there, and if the girls he's gotten pregnant have to be part of the process, than it also stands to reason that his old body would need to be there as well.

So every few months, she has to carry bits o Sensei up to the top floors of the school, only to have them teleport back to wherever she found them when the reset happens. So cut Maya some slack, she's been through a lot.

This would actually explain the conversation with Right Leg and Left Leg during one of the reset trips.
 
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Another theory that isn't necessarily tied to the pregnancy theory, but is tied to the "this is Maya's fault" theory.

What's in Maya's boxes?

Sensei's body.Remember the scene during one reset where he has a conversation with Right and Left leg?

If he jumped from a rooftop Makoto refers to as "the top of the world" his body wouldn't be in a useable state. if Maya does somehow have the power to weave a new reality where she can be with Sensei (even in a monkey paw sort of way), then she likely also had the ability to give him a new body to use. But the old one is still there, and if the girls he's gotten pregnant have to be part of the process, than it also stands to reason that his old body would need to be there as well.

So every few months, she has to carry bits o Sensei up to the top floors of the school, only to have them teleport back to wherever she found them when the reset happens. So cut Maya some slack, she's been through a lot.

This would actually explain the conversation with Right Leg and Left Leg during one of the reset trips.
I mean, yeah, sensei is quite large, it makes sense that Maya would ask for help to carry pieces of him to the roof. Also the 'something is buried under the school', maybe she keeps him in the basement when she isnt resetting the world or something.
 

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I mean, yeah, sensei is quite large, it makes sense that Maya would ask for help to carry pieces of him to the roof. Also the 'something is buried under the school', maybe she keeps him in the basement when she isnt resetting the world or something.
In the room with the clocks, there's a terarrium with a miniature Sensei in it. You can see it if you replay the first happy scene.

Which could be symbolic of exactly this.
 
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but the prevalent quote is "There is something buried beneath your feet"
yeah I still dont get that one, theres something under the school but also under our feet, it might just be referencing the fact that we spend most of our time @ the school (and thusly whatever is under the school is also under our feet) or it might be something under this side of kumon-mi, just like there might have been something buried under the other side of kumon-mi at the other school. Maybe theres an entire mirror-world underneath both sides of kumon-mi, or a sprawling underground complex that only Maya has access to where she stores old sensei's original body.
 
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Some random thoughts that should absolutely be taken with grains of salt:

What if Sensei (the body) and Sensei (the soul) are not the same person?

We have a timeline where Sensei (the body) dates Niki, then vanishes after his brother and SiL die, then tutors Noriko and Maya some time later, then disappears on Noriko again. The player Sensei remembers none of this, and Maya is terrified by the idea of him learning about it, possibly because the realization taht your body's life experiences are not yours at all is probably a touch traumatic.

It was a different souls experiences. One that keeps turning up and she's trying to get rid of because she wants THIS soul to inhabit the body. What if player Sensei is really Nozomu, the brother, but his body was so dismembered by the accident its unusable, so she seduced Sensei, lured hiim to the roof, and pushed him off so that THIS body could be used to host the brother's soul. Maybe Maya doesn't deserve a break after all, that murderous little bitch.

Nozomu's body is in the boxes, as are the bits of everyone else who died in the accident, including Miku (who got decapitated, poor dear. That's why you get to use her head as a fleshlight in one scene).

There's some holes in this one: We know Kaori survived the accident, for example. And if the scenario is reviving the people associated with the accident, why is Yumi (who was NOT involved in the accident) here?

This is mostly me trying to puzzle out what about Noriko is so terrifying to Maya. What about that part of Sensei's life is she so desperately trying to hide from him? it feels like a grasp at straws, but I thought it would be fun to share.
 

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yeah I still dont get that one, theres something under the school but also under our feet, it might just be referencing the fact that we spend most of our time @ the school (and thusly whatever is under the school is also under our feet) or it might be something under this side of kumon-mi, just like there might have been something buried under the other side of kumon-mi at the other school. Maybe theres an entire mirror-world underneath both sides of kumon-mi, or a sprawling underground complex that only Maya has access to where she stores old sensei's original body.
It's not clear that the other school is on the other side of town. Touka attended that school, if it were in the poor and run down part fo town, she wouldn't be so oblivious to the life of the poor and middle class. She would have had to travel through it to get to and from school (as it didnt' have dorms). Also, many of the students that attended this school before that happened live on the other side of town (Yumi, Chika, Tsuneyo), so I really do think both schools were in the wealthy half of Kumon-Mi.
 
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