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A statement made by Selebus on discord following the recent events. Now with 40% less hostility.
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Yeah. I sort of got a confirmation on what I was already thinking for some time: Selebus is a [borderline] narcissist. There's absolutely no reality where he could be wrong about something. Things are exactly as he says they are and if someone says otherwise - they're lying of gaslighting or just stupid. It's impossible to convey to him that his read on people or events is wrong. This explains his extreme defensiveness over any criticism as well. That's my opinion as a world famous armchair psychologist.
"But if you're one of those people...talking shit all day and encouraging others to go out of their way to harm me..." What? Nobody, except for him ever went out of their way to gather mob with pitchforks to go raid the enemy. Projection at its finest.
With that being said, I do wish the dude to regain his composure and mental stability. Perhaps his honeymoon trip will allow him to refresh and gain new perspective. Good luck, Sel!
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He will lose the largest current and historic source of his subscribers. That doesn't mean he will lose those subscribers who came from here, it means he will shut off the well that he pumped them out of - the biggest well he has, has ever had, and will likely ever have. Other developers have achieved insane success even when their content consistently leaks, so I'm not sure why this game is the exception. More on this below.
Exactly. Why continue to support a guy well past a comfortable wage with all of this other stuff going on? More on this below.
Again, it certainly hasn't worked this way for other developers. More on this below.
That doesn't seem odd to you? Biggest single source of patrons ever, yet only now can we go fuck ourselves?
Let's contrast his behavior with that of a couple other devs, who are arguably being "harmed" by piracy on this site even more, based on the dollar amount of the tiers of their content that get leaked:
Caribdis
- His $50/month releases leak here within minutes/hours, and it's been this way for as long as I can remember
- Most of his other patron content is leaked on other websites
- Has still achieved almost 5000 subs on Patreon and SS despite the games being consistently leaked
- Doesn't like piracy, quietly mutes it in his Discord (fair!) but doesn't go on weird rants about it
- Doesn't talk much here, but still engages positively with the community through reactions
- Mostly just focuses on making banger content, fucking smashes that shit out of the park on every release
- Certified Drama Free Experience(TM)
DrPinkCake
- His $25/mo releases leak here within minutes/hours, and it's been this way for as long as I can remember
- Paywalled status updates and previews are regularly leaked on this site by literally one of his own Discord mods (if you think this is without DPC's knowledge/consent... lol)
- Quietly tries to ban people who share other patron content, but it usually becomes available here too
- Has still achieved 12000+ subs and likely millions worth of sales on Steam, et al. despite the game being consistently leaked
- Hates piracy and hates this place but doesn't seem to dwell on it and still engages with the community by allowing his status updates to be leaked, why? Maybe because he realizes that the positives of engaging his large audience here outweigh the negatives of piracy. Even to DPC, who isn't even close to reliant on this place for most of his support, this place hasn't outlived its usefulness. Why?
- Mostly just focuses on making banger content, wildly succeeds based on sales metrics alone whether you like the game or not
Selly
- His $5/mo releases leak here within minutes/hours, and this only started in the past several months
- His vast library of custom renders, worth far more than any number of Care Packages IMO, have not leaked here or anywhere else AFAIK
- Has still achieved 1300+ subs for an extremely niche game of inconsistent quality
- Absolutely unhinged off-topic vitriol in his official Discord addressing piracy and other personal grievances
- Absolutely unhinged off-topic vitriol in-game addressing piracy and other personal grievances
- At least keeps it away from his Subscribestar, I guess
- Has mostly focused on making banger content in the past, but within the last few days his progress tracker reads all goose eggs despite religiously following this thread, coordinating hate raids, and writing long rants
I talked about this in the last round of discussions, but with crowdfunding, people aren't paying for content on a transactional basis. 2 weeks, even 3 months worth of updates on a game that will be worth $20 when it's finished isn't worth $5, much less per month. Nor are the CP, nor are even the custom renders. It certainly all makes for a compelling package when you're looking to become a patron if you want to support the game, but you have to want to support the game and by extension, its creator.
People support creators they like whose content they also like. It's an irrational economic transaction, not even akin to angel investment given the only ROI in the future is seeing the project completed, which patrons attribute personal value to.
There's a way out of this. There's a way to go back to the halcyon days of uninterrupted growth and positive community engagement. All it involves is chilling the fuck out and making good content. Hopefully the (now extended) break will provide that for him.
Yeah... I don't like diagnosing people through small snippets posted online since you know.. I didn't do an actual history and physical, but at least the persona he presents online is very consistent with NPD. Like that entire drivel he posted would be excellent educational material.
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The guy is on a break so that part is unfair. I also disagree on the "inconsistent quality" but whatever.
What i'm getting from your post is that Selebus' questionable PR strategy is hurting his business way more than the actual leaks.
I have full confidence that he will keep making good content. Him chilling the fuck out is definitely less likely but who knows ? Maybe at some point he could try swallowing some of his pride in the interest of making more money.
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Ima be honest with you, and I don't mean this in a bad way, but damn why are you even here. I have in the past like 800 total replies in this thread, only seen you ever shit on Sel. Literally not a single positive in there whatsoever. If you hate the game/developer so much, why are you putting literally hours of your day in online debating here whether his actions are "right" or not?
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Also, just out of curiosity, to any f95 mods, why is this massive off topic discussion even allowed? In other threads if you mention something even slightly unrelated to the game itself (including the developer), your posts get deleted and it gets told to keep things on topic. Why is this thread an exception? I don't think this drama is at all on topic, so why is it not being shut down?
Lmao, atleast half the people here only continue posting to shit on Sel, as for the drama discussion, I think this whole situation is just pretty hard to contain now, there always seems to be drama here now.
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His dedicated nuthuggers who participated in the hate raiding are cheering along with this, but most of his supporters are probably going to read this and think, "wtf is happening?" It's a complete distraction.
He's allocating resources to fight a two week time period of piracy that he could instead use to refine the features of the game or add more content to it. Got it.
Talks about accountability, says he's not a nice person but admits zero wrongdoing. Got it.
> "Members of a niche community centered around regurgitating paid content from my game"
Ah yes - F95Zone, which is your self-admitted largest single source of patrons, is all about you and leaking your game. That's all that happens here. Got it.
> "It is not greedy to want people to pay for a product I am selling. I am running a business and it is my responsibility to defend that business and my creative property."
Illusion is going to want a word, given it's partly their product and creative property you're selling...
> "It is not delusional to use my platform to speak out about it."
It's a distraction. Other devs don't post shit like this. Other artists as a whole don't generally post shit like this, unless the "harm" being done to them is far more cut and dry than what's happening here.
> *Insert unfounded ad hominem attack calling other users of this site gullible and stupid*
Got it.
> *Insert personal attack on me and other posters in the thread while calling himself cool and awesome*
Got it. Very cool.
> "Vitriolic message boards..."
My friend, the ratio of vitriol in your own Discord outweighs that in this thread by around 90:10. There's actual reasonable and impersonal moderation here. This post we're reading right now is more vitriolic, but good on you for reading the words I've repeatedly used and trying to send them back at me.
> "...where the most outspoken members do nothing but beg others to leak my content, proceed to complain about this content, and then pretend that I'm the reincarnation of Satan because I call them out for this."
I am probably the most outspoken member here in recent history, and I have never done any of these things, and no one else has ever pretended you're Satan, dude
> *Unhinged rambling showcasing how big his ego is*
Got it.
> *More butthurt around personal grievances*
Yeah yeah.
> "So if you're one of those people who found the game through piracy and decided to show your support, whether it be monetarily or just flat out sticking up for me, thank you. I appreciate you and I will never stop appreciating you."
Aw, thanks man. I mean you stopped appreciating me when you banned me from Discord for mildly criticizing you, but hey, these words really make a difference.
> "But if you're one of those people who have done nothing but silently cling to the walls of a pirate forum, talking shit all day and encouraging others to go out of their way to harm me, all while claiming to be the reason that I am successful, Fuck you"
Well, it's a good thing I've never done a single one of these things, otherwise I would have felt personally attacked!
> "I made the mistake of posting the first few updates of my game on a message board"
Wow, that "mistake" garnered you at least 40% of your current subscriber base. If only all of our mistakes were such.
> "The next time you want to act all tough and cry wolf about someone out there making a difference..."
What? Who is "acting tough" by posting on a message board? WTF?
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First off, as much as i like the color violet, even my first car was Tech Violet, i think i might need some glasses in the not so distant future, seeing THAT.
Then, as far as i'm concernerd, for the most part, i'd call that post mature too. Also so someone else can put it in paranthesis again.
He knows about his flaws, espacially that jumping on people, that don't go 100% conform with his way of seeing things. Had my first hand experience with that, one or two times. It's just that i took a few steps back, because you should know if it makes no sense to argue. I just wish for his own well being that he can keep it in reign more often.
But human beings mostly don't have it in them to lose a battle, espacially on social media, or what ever those places are called, so the rage continues. I guess that comes with age?
I mean you know that all you have to do sometimes is just an X or two away on the top right corner of a window to make it magically disapear. But everyone can do it with some practice, magic isn't that hard.
But i also do get the car crash mentality, just was never kinda my thing i guess.
Another thing is, maybe it was a coincidence, that i saw one or two posts about him telling about himself, his character, or what i think could be kinda his diary we're all reading, that should raise some questions, or even give answers.
And with all thats going on i really hope he gets that the position he's in could be his very downfall.
He's the "i don't give a fuck" kinda person. And thats not enterily bad, pretty sure thats his driving force.
Problem is, there are things you should care about, and even he admits that there are people dear to him.
But with all the yay/yes? sayers, that kind of "bubble" that wouldn't dare to challenge him even if it was for his own good...
There are just things you don't wanne lose, because you don't think you could be wrong.
And..., this is not really about the piracy stuff, or who gets on each others throat for what.
And if someone thinks i'm erm... Whiteknighting?, so be it. My inner child might like that term i don't know. I don't prefer a side. I'm not into the car crash, i just would prefer some people not to experience certain things.
Then, as far as i'm concernerd, for the most part, i'd call that post mature too. Also so someone else can put it in paranthesis again
.He knows about his flaws, espacially that jumping on people, that don't go 100% conform with his way of seeing things. Had my first hand experience with that, one or two times. It's just that i took a few steps back, because you should know if it makes no sense to argue. I just wish for his own well being that he can keep it in reign more often.
But human beings mostly don't have it in them to lose a battle, espacially on social media, or what ever those places are called, so the rage continues. I guess that comes with age?
I mean you know that all you have to do sometimes is just an X or two away on the top right corner of a window to make it magically disapear. But everyone can do it with some practice, magic isn't that hard.
But i also do get the car crash mentality, just was never kinda my thing i guess.
Another thing is, maybe it was a coincidence, that i saw one or two posts about him telling about himself, his character, or what i think could be kinda his diary we're all reading, that should raise some questions, or even give answers.
And with all thats going on i really hope he gets that the position he's in could be his very downfall.
He's the "i don't give a fuck" kinda person. And thats not enterily bad, pretty sure thats his driving force.
Problem is, there are things you should care about, and even he admits that there are people dear to him.
But with all the yay/yes? sayers, that kind of "bubble" that wouldn't dare to challenge him even if it was for his own good...
There are just things you don't wanne lose, because you don't think you could be wrong.
And..., this is not really about the piracy stuff, or who gets on each others throat for what.
And if someone thinks i'm erm... Whiteknighting?, so be it. My inner child might like that term i don't know. I don't prefer a side. I'm not into the car crash, i just would prefer some people not to experience certain things.
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Ima be honest with you, I've found this to be extremely entertaining, but more importantly, I'm hoping that as his personal hatred of me fades, the truth of my words will stick around and percolate, and something positive will result in the long term from my participation here. I do want the game to succeed, but I think he's deserved a little tough love here.
Despite the scrutiny that's been on my posts from the Discord, not many people have actually shown up to contest more than a single point I've made, and I appear to have somewhat changed the minds of those who have, which makes me feel like my arguments have been largely well-reasoned. Despite what you may think, I haven't shit on him for shitting's sake. Him and his fans have been the ones engaging in personal attacks, I've just been discussing his behavior. Big difference.
If you want to know when this all started, I posted some light, casual pushback here a month or so ago and got banned on Discord for it after having donated a AAA game's amount of money to the project, which I found rude and has contributed to why I've been more thorough in the past couple days. If it makes you feel any better, I'm about done here. I feel like I've gotten my money's worth and have another project starting soon.
This drama surrounds the dev's actions of conducting a hate raid on this thread just a couple days ago, so it will undoubtedly soon be considered off-topic again unless he decides to continue to be belligerent.
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He's on a break, but he's coordinating hate raids and you yourself reposted the gigantic rant he just wrote, in which he literally writes "others like myself have more important, realistic things to do"
C'mon man, that's not weird and blatantly hypocritical to you?Even if this stuff was just innocuous - which it's not, it's toxic, self-aggrandizing, and most importantly self-sabotaging - how does that look to a prospective supporter, that he's putting so much time into it instead of the game, given the progress tracker shows all zeros?
YES!
I sincerely hope so too.
Again, YES! Now you're thinking with portals.
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My man, I get you on so many levels. Thanks for voicing this. Have a spare place on the fence?
Anyway I read his rant and while I do agree with some points, it's overall an undisguised conceit. Well, whatever suits the man. I too don't intend to waste anymore time on this pointless dispute.
Also, as I got it, he will try to implement some kind of DRM in the future. I just want to believe he has decency not to stoop down to any malware.
Believe it or not he's actually been pretty composed on discord, he has only really posted a super long announcement post talking about the situation:
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He's frankly not skilled enough to implement any real DRM. That much should be apparent just by looking at the spaghetti of "code" in this game. He's also very much against asking for help. So there'll never be any noteworthy DRM.
You just give him idea.Also why he start saying the piracy is bad,yes piracy is bad but even developers forums indie developers trying put some ground discussion.
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I went to college for game development, and whenever the question of piracy came up the answer was always the same: "Piracy is a nice problem to have"
People only pirate popular games.
And the only people who actually believe piracy leads to lost sales are out-of-touch business executives. Most developers shouldn't even bother with DRM.
People only pirate popular games.
And the only people who actually believe piracy leads to lost sales are out-of-touch business executives. Most developers shouldn't even bother with DRM.
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I didn't give him an idea, because it's already there. Normally I wouldn't even doubt in his decency, but recent events and a few posts from him I saw on Discord gave me some minor concerns.
Well, good luck with telling Selebus that.
I certainly don't want to verify it. And didn't he get some help with the website?
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Can we stop discussing Sel and keep talking about who you want as the next romanceable character and why its Plant #4?
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