Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.41.0] [Selebus]

[DarkDaemonX]

ComplexOne2 I now know why you called yourself that, it's because you have a superiority complex, you think what you assume is always the truth too.

 

[JohnnyRazer]

but I'd say you're pretty wrong in regards to these being "different" groups of people and i wouldn't say they're a small part of the community since most of these people are regulars here.

That's quite easy to prove if you show me just a few such people, who combined it. Because, I've been here for more than two years, and I don't remember a lot of regulars (including myself and including the ones here replying to you) who trash-talked Selebus or begged for leaks, or even encouraged leaks back in the days, untill this shitstorm.

On the contrary, I remember a lot these regulars shaming occasional beggars, defending Sel against real trash-talkers and being sincerely upset about game leaked early. I wonder what happened...

Of course there were people who did everything that you listed. And there will be, because, thank G-d, we have something resembling a freedom of speech here. But throwing everyone in a bunch and saying "f95 man bad" is so much easier, right?

And if you decide to throw me a few examples (which I doubt), please, define "trash-talking" first.

 

[ComplexOne2]

I actually do it so people can have fun, I never pay for something just to spite someone else, I care about my money, because I'm a "poor fuck".

Never assume you know someone's motives better than they do themselves.

Sure that's very interesting and like i said before, my previous post wasn't meant to mock anyone's financial status but if you want to get offended then by all means.

ComplexOne2 I now know why you called yourself that, it's because you have a superiority complex, you think what you assume is always the truth too.

It's funny how in your previous post you were just telling me not to assume your intentions and now you're making your own assumptions regarding my username? Your glass house could use some support beams, maybe you should steal some? that does seem to be your expertise, also my username was something i thought off on the spot, but hey im sure there are some other users who love to hear your opinions on their names here.

 

[ComplexOne2]

That's quite easy to prove if you show me just a few such people, who combined it. Because, I've been here for more than two years, and I don't remember a lot of regulars (including myself and including the ones here replying to you) who trash-talked Selebus or begged for leaks, or even encouraged leaks back in the days, untill this shitstorm.

On the contrary, I remember a lot these regulars shaming occasional beggars, defending Sel against real trash-talkers and being sincerely upset about game leaked early. I wonder what happened...

Of course there were people who did everything that you listed. And there will be, because, thank G-d, we have something resembling a freedom of speech here. But throwing everyone in a bunch and saying "f95 man bad" is so much easier, right?

For as long as I have been here the likes of Bingoogus and Vehmental have always trash talked Sel, perhaps their dislike of Sel increased after the drama BUT well before any drama started they have always trashed Sel, you're right about having free speech up until the point one side is clearly being silenced.

 

[JohnnyRazer]

For as long as I have been here the likes of Bingoogus and Vehmental have always trash talked Sel, perhaps their dislike of Sel increased after the drama BUT well before any drama started they have always trashed Sel

Bingoogus leaked or asked for leaks? Vehmental leaked or asked for leaks? And again, define "trash-talking", please. And perhaps some examples of their behaviour pre-shitstorm, if you will. Not sure about Bingoogus, but I definetely don't remember that about Vehmental.

you're right about having free speech up until the point one side is clearly being silenced

Huh?! Which side is silenced?

 

[DarkDaemonX]

you're right about having free speech up until the point one side is clearly being silenced.

Exactly, so the people on Discord should stop trying to silence us, I'm glad you agree.

 

[worthlesspeon]

Don't do that. This thread has been a place of reasonable discourse this whole time, there's no reason to stoop to the Discord's level.

Even if you could get it taken down - by somehow referencing the most recent images they trolled this site with - that means it would be permanently gone, and despite how toxic both have become, there's still a path of redemption for both the Discord and the dev.

I'm not going to mostly because I just don't care enough to. Despite my participation in this drama, Selebus and the game don't really spend a lot of time in my thoughts. If it leaks, cool. If it doesn't, fine, I have no issues waiting 2 weeks (and frankly this game like many others on this site offer a better experience if you can play multiple updates together).

But that doesn't mean it isn't possible he pissed someone else off enough to try to get it taken down. Which is what I'm sure happened with the patreon debacle (though there it didn't help that his subscribestar address was still subscribestar.com/selebus despite his genius plan of changing his display name to the totally unrelated subeles)

 

[Bingoogus]

Not sure about Bingoogus, but I definetely don't remember that about Vehmental.

I never really had anything to say about Selly when i first started playing, didn't for months, good or bad, thought it was just a good game. I started shit talking him after the final release for chapter 2 (i think?), the one with all the obscure puzzles like eating rice and remembering a word from random scenes. A lot of the discord sycophants got together to troll folks here asking for answers and one of them tried to trick people into deleting their saves and the persistent file, someone shared a screen shot of Selly laughing at this attempt and that's when i wrote him off, can't expect me to shed a tear for a guy who thinks it's funny to screw people over like that, so i don't, and seeing him get the same treatment is the most delicious shadenfreude. I think that means i've only been shit talking him for like 6 months... roughly... been playing the game for like a year at this point. So yeah. Just put Complex on ignore btw, he's not worth engaging with.

 

[JohnnyRazer]

I never really had anything to say about Selly when i first started playing, didn't for months, good or bad, thought it was just a good game. I started shit talking him after the final release for chapter 2 (i think?), the one with all the obscure puzzles like eating rice and remembering a word from random scenes. A lot of the discord sycophants got together to troll folks here asking for answers and one of them tried to trick people into deleting their saves and the persistent file, someone shared a screen shot of Selly laughing at this attempt and that's when i wrote him off, can't expect me to shed a tear for a guy who thinks it's funny to screw people over like that, so i don't, and seeing him get the same treatment is the most delicious shadenfreude. I think that means i've only been shit talking him for like 6 months... roughly... been playing the game for like a year at this point. So yeah. Just put Complex on ignore btw, he's not worth engaging with.

I meant I'm not sure about you just because I don't remember you much. As for the obscure puzzles, I think I was on the fence on that matter too, because while I wasn't fond of these puzzles I treated them as part of Sel's artistic vision™. But I can see where you're coming from.

As for the ComplexOne, it's not like I engage with him for his or anyone's sake (it's obviously not worth it), I just view it as a way to practice my English and discussion skills.

 

[worthlesspeon]

I meant I'm not sure about you just because I don't remember you much. As for the obscure puzzles, I think I was on the fence on that matter too, because while I wasn't fond of these puzzles I treated them as part of Sel's artistic vision™. But I can see where you're coming from.

As for the ComplexOne, it's not like I engage with him for his or anyone's sake (it's obviously not worth it), I just view it as a way to practice my English and discussion skills.

Complex puzzles are fine, hard games can be fun. What I think is stupid is the complete ban on asking for help and giving it. And I think it's poor game design to have basically no recourse if you're stuck.

What led me to realizing the guy's a bit of an asshole is way back when I suggested some tweaks (that would have been far simpler than his DRM btw) to make the audio puzzles more doable for people with hearing loss. His response was basically that deaf people don't really deserve to play the game.

And being deliberately obtuse also bothers me. He acts like there's no point to playing this game if you don't like puzzles... despite those accounting for maybe 0.1% of the content here. At the same time he bemoans the fact that people call this a porn game since < 10% of the content is sex scenes.

 

[JohnnyRazer]

Complex puzzles are fine, hard games can be fun. What I think is stupid is the complete ban on asking for help and giving it. And I think it's poor game design to have basically no recourse if you're stuck.

What led me to realizing the guy's a bit of an asshole is way back when I suggested some tweaks (that would have been far simpler than his DRM btw) to make the audio puzzles more doable for people with hearing loss. His response was basically that deaf people don't really deserve to play the game.

And being deliberately obtuse also bothers me. He acts like there's no point to playing this game if you don't like puzzles... despite those accounting for maybe 0.1% of the content here. At the same time he bemoans the fact that people call this a porn game since < 10% of the content is sex scenes.

I wonder if this is the so called "trash-talking"... Surely doesn't seem like one to me. But as our man said

if you want to get offended then by all means

 

[ComplexOne2]

Bingoogus leaked or asked for leaks? Vehmental leaked or asked for leaks? And again, define "trash-talking", please. And perhaps some examples of their behaviour pre-shitstorm, if you will. Not sure about Bingoogus, but I definetely don't remember that about Vehmental.


Huh?! Which side is silenced?

It's hard to comment on Bingoogus since they frequently deleted their own posts to cover their tracks, as for Vehmental, im not that active in the Discord but from my understanding they were booted from there after they made fun of someone's relative dying and that's when they started coming here.

Exactly, so the people on Discord should stop trying to silence us, I'm glad you agree.

Heh, you know that's not what I meant.

 

[ComplexOne2]

I never really had anything to say about Selly when i first started playing, didn't for months, good or bad, thought it was just a good game. I started shit talking him after the final release for chapter 2 (i think?), the one with all the obscure puzzles like eating rice and remembering a word from random scenes. A lot of the discord sycophants got together to troll folks here asking for answers and one of them tried to trick people into deleting their saves and the persistent file, someone shared a screen shot of Selly laughing at this attempt and that's when i wrote him off, can't expect me to shed a tear for a guy who thinks it's funny to screw people over like that, so i don't, and seeing him get the same treatment is the most delicious shadenfreude. I think that means i've only been shit talking him for like 6 months... roughly... been playing the game for like a year at this point. So yeah. Just put Complex on ignore btw, he's not worth engaging with.

You don't enjoy engaging with me because I don't spend my time here stroking myself while waiting for the next big leak/drama to occur, there's some other hypocritical points in your post but I'll leave those be.

 

[DarkDaemonX]

Heh, you know that's not what I meant.

It's still true that they try to do that though.

 

[Kagitane]

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[Axismundi]

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The way Ayane is standing makes me think she's pissed. I wonder what's going down.

 

[DarkDaemonX]

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A banana? Blasphemy, a watermelon is the only fruit for her.

The way Ayane is standing makes me think she's pissed. I wonder what's going down.

She might be, maybe more jealousy.

 

[JohnnyRazer]

It's hard to comment on Bingoogus since they frequently deleted their own posts to cover their tracks

Haven't seen that yet. And while it's hard, you managed to comment on him a few times already.

im not that active in the Discord but from my understanding they were booted from there after they made fun of someone's relative dying and that's when they started coming here.

Are we stiil on topic of trash-talking about Selebus? And how's being an asshole on Discord relates to F95?

So, apart from two questionable examples - nothing. ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯

 

[worthlesspeon]

im not that active in the Discord but from my understanding they were booted from there after they made fun of someone's relative dying and that's when they started coming here.

Because I'm sure he would never lie or exaggerate to demonize his "enemies", right?

 

[ComplexOne2]

Haven't seen that yet. And while it's hard, you managed to comment on him a few times already.


Are we stiil on topic of trash-talking about Selebus? And how's being an asshole on Discord relates to F95?

So, apart from two questionable examples - nothing. ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯

In this case it does relate, as for Bingoogus seems like he's already helping with his side of things.

Because I'm sure he would never lie or exaggerate to demonize his "enemies", right?

Eh, you can think what you want about Sel but multiple commented on that incident and the person in question hasn't denied it.