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What did you notice? That he's got a cake on him?
I mean, how much of these "good actions" Nodaka does is because of "empathy" and how much of it is because she wants to progress the stories of the characters? Like, I don't know if this is a mischaracterization because I don't really pay attention to her scenes, but it seems like she finds people the most interesting when they're being truest to themselves, good or bad. It also fits in the context of her writing her story about everyone in the class. And honestly, there's kinda no point in bringing up the outcomes when we're considering the intentionality of the character.
For example, you can interpret the scene with Yumi as her getting revenge for Futaba, which certainly was an element, but also an exploration of Yumi's character. Yumi doesn't have a single romantic scene with Sensei, but Nodaka wanted to probe her and confirm if Yumi actually does have feelings for him. That's why Nodoka doesn't do anything with Sensei and just comments on how she didn't expect that if you got the route where Yumi just leaves instead of masturbating to prevent the blowjob. Furthermore, Nodoka doesn't follow through with the blackmail, showing that she was always more interested in Yumi's character and forcing her to progress rather than getting revenge for a friend.
Also, on Kirin, I didn't see the Ayane scene so I can't comment on that, but yes, she's a confused hormonal teen harboring an inferiority complex which she copes with by pretending she doesn't care about anything except sex. And her entire arc is breaking down that act she puts up - in fact, I think the thing with Miku supports this point because you can see how uncomfortable she was. Doesn't help that there's a thirty year old man that's literally her teacher in the room that keeps goading her on and enabling her to keep going down the destructive path.
So yes, Kirin makes shitty choices, but that's mostly because she doesn't understand herself. Nodoka completely understands herself, and every "bad" thing she does is completely justified to her. Kirin is hypocritical, Nodoka is not.
But again, they're all kids and their brains haven't even really developed so I don't blame them. Maybe be a bit more concerned about the grown ass dude who understands how he might accidentally r*pe underage girls but still decides to go on dates and spend time alone with them. It is seen through his own decision-making that r*ping kids is less important to him than his personal satisfaction. If that's not a monster, I don't know what is.
For example, you can interpret the scene with Yumi as her getting revenge for Futaba, which certainly was an element, but also an exploration of Yumi's character. Yumi doesn't have a single romantic scene with Sensei, but Nodaka wanted to probe her and confirm if Yumi actually does have feelings for him. That's why Nodoka doesn't do anything with Sensei and just comments on how she didn't expect that if you got the route where Yumi just leaves instead of masturbating to prevent the blowjob. Furthermore, Nodoka doesn't follow through with the blackmail, showing that she was always more interested in Yumi's character and forcing her to progress rather than getting revenge for a friend.
Also, on Kirin, I didn't see the Ayane scene so I can't comment on that, but yes, she's a confused hormonal teen harboring an inferiority complex which she copes with by pretending she doesn't care about anything except sex. And her entire arc is breaking down that act she puts up - in fact, I think the thing with Miku supports this point because you can see how uncomfortable she was. Doesn't help that there's a thirty year old man that's literally her teacher in the room that keeps goading her on and enabling her to keep going down the destructive path.
So yes, Kirin makes shitty choices, but that's mostly because she doesn't understand herself. Nodoka completely understands herself, and every "bad" thing she does is completely justified to her. Kirin is hypocritical, Nodoka is not.
But again, they're all kids and their brains haven't even really developed so I don't blame them. Maybe be a bit more concerned about the grown ass dude who understands how he might accidentally r*pe underage girls but still decides to go on dates and spend time alone with them. It is seen through his own decision-making that r*ping kids is less important to him than his personal satisfaction. If that's not a monster, I don't know what is.
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That would be so wild xddd By just imagining it im dying xd Also that could probably finish the little angel Karin
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Honestly, Kirin is probably the one character that has the worst excuse for her actions. Can't even really blame Sensei:
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When it comes to Nodoka, she definitely did it for revenge, but for the progression of everyone is likely another reason. This includes Yumi, who has changed since then. (Even without actually blackmailing Yumi, Yumi gets in trouble for trying to kill her afterwards, which leads to Yumi changing, and it was likely part of her plan from the get go.)
Nodoka seems to be looking out for the majority most of the time:
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Again, I really don't care about what happened, I care about the intentionality. Kirin is a teen with multiple layers of cope hiding her insecurities and makes bad choices because she wants to pretend like she doesn't care about anything. She doesn't actually understand the consequences of her actions because she's a dumb 14 year old. And while it's not good to be stupid, it's a lot more forgivable than fully understanding what will happen and doing them anyways.
On Nodoka, Yumi was already changing before she did her shit, but her feelings towards Sensei weren't changing. Again, in the route where Yumi just walks out, there was no revenge taken besides inconveniencing Yumi, and she doesn't try anything afterwards. It's clear that revenge wasn't the sole purpose, otherwise Nodoka could have made it a lot worse. And sorry, but I don't think Nodoka feels an ounce of empathy for Yumi, so it begs the question why Nodoka didn't make things a lot worse if her only purpose was "revenge."
Also, I wouldn't use Futaba as a judgement for Nodoka's character when Futaba can't even understand Nodoka during the book scene. And I don't really get why you think Nodoka did anything wrong there. What did Nodoka actually say that was incorrect? What, that Nodoka should stop doing what she believed as extremely important so Futaba could feel better?
Nodoka isn't evil. There's a quote from somewhere in the game where Sensei describes him and her as two kings sitting on their thrones, and it's a pretty apt description to Nodoka's role. The world is built for Sensei to develop his harem, but the story of the world is being told by Nodoka. And while Nodoka certainly does care about her friends, her greatest priority is telling this story.
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I've mentioned and showed far more than just "what happened".
Kirin definitely didn't do what she did because she's dumb. Kirin isn't dumb or stupid and she understands the consequences of her actions. She was literally blackmailing a friend, successfully. The whole point is them all knowing the consequences. It's also not like she needs a phd to know doing bad things to people will make them not like you. She's fully aware she's a bad person doing bad things:
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Btw, Kirin should be 15 and almost 16 since Christmas is 2 months before her bday. Rin is likely the only 14 year old due to skipping ahead. Funny enough, Kirin should be older than Nodoka.
As for Nodoka, why does it matter if Yumi was changing? If you think Nodoka did this just so Yumi would get sexual with Sensei, you may have missed the part where Nodoka cucked her:
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There's also no reason for Nodoka to feel empathy or sympathy for Yumi of all people, but Yumi knows better now, and if she'll hurt anyone, it's Nodoka, hence why she's the "Matador" and the event this happened in, was Nodoka's 'Matador' Chapter 3 Event. Nodoka made herself Yumi's target.
Frankly, considering Nodoka could fail to blackmail Yumi, and still end up assaulted if not killed, what Nodoka did was more stupid than what Kirin did. Nodoka was being more stupid than Kirin, when it comes to blackmailing at least. Nodoka's struggle to understand others is way more of a hindrance, than Kirin just being insecure and horny, and petty in Ayane's case. Your point about stupidity being more forgivable should apply more to Nodoka than Kirin.
I do agree with your assessment of the book scene, but Futaba has literally been traumatized by Yumi and is terrified of becoming a target again:
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Judging her during the book scene to attempt to discredit her prior, is in poor taste, and doesn't work if one knows the context.
Nodoka's greatest priority also isn't the story, it's making everyone understand (this world), otherwise, her existence means nothing:
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"This story" is just a popular work of hers, that she felt inspired to write. It didn't even seem intended to be read by Futaba, or the rest of the class.
She's also literally put her writing profession on temporary hiatus right now:
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Upd: updated what fdsasdf_p and DeSkel15 found
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So Kaori's birthday is Christmas, Yumi's is Halloween and Yuki's is 4.20. That family has never had a child born on a normal day.
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Haruka is a few years ahead of Sara (Girl-Talk), so I assume it's at least 35, or 36 at most.
Wakana is 28 (Everything Everywhere All At Once). Osako thus too is 28 (From Apr2023 CP and the assumption that these two are in the same year)
Maki is 34 (From Jan2023 CP)
Let me see what else I can dig up...
And two of the main cast birthdays are not correct (Futaba: Nov.28; Chika: May.09)
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I am not convinved Nodoka actually feels an ounce of empathy for anyone. I just did read that dialouge again and she mentions it was to satisfy her curiosity. And if that isnt a frightening motivation to do something like that, i dont know what is. It reminds me a bit of a little kid plucking the wings of a fly. I mean there is no empathy involved as well. Now that i think about it, have we ever seen her emote anything besides neutral face, going crazy or devilish grin? I am not sure if we have. Guess i will check all of her events to see what we get there.
I think you completely missed the point with Nodoka, its self-evident multiple times, that she actually cares how her actions influence other peoples lives, the book is basically her saying stuff through writing, that she is too shy to say with words for example, its actually possible that she is one of the most wholesome girls out there
Yeah? Then how come i remember very clearly doesnt even understand why futaba is so pissed when she finds out about the book. Look at her expression over the whole event, that is not the facial expression of someone who does realize she hurt a friend. That is not the facial expression who is sorry she did hurt someone she supposedly cares about. I mean for fucks sake, her justification for not asking any of the girls if they would like to be a character in her book is because she knows they would say no and then she wouldnt have a book. And i guess because that is just up to her to decide. No one should decide for nodoka but nodoka herself. She does not even once say in anyway that she is sorry she did hurt futaba's feeling. No, instead she wants futaba to understand her. And is confused about what the actual probelm is suppose to be. I dont see much wholesome in that behaviour.
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Now I feel lame
Should I edit
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myself or you will handle it?
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Lmao gotta say was not expecting to hear that Nodoka is "the most wholesome girl" in this year of our lord 2024. Did we forget that whole yumi scene with the sexual assault? Is this what seeing a girl's tits does to a motherfucker?
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Some confirmed ages:
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Not confirmed, but implied:
Tsubasa is probably at least in her late 30s. She finds both Wakana and Sensei young:
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well you know how there are jock guys that sexually abuse girls but actually its just their way to show they care, I think it was kinda similar for Nodoka with Yumi, I think she was trying to bruteforce fix Yumi with that
Is this a joke? Please tell me this is just a really bad joke i dont get.