Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.42.0] [Selebus]

[Moonflare]

btw, we've talked a lot about the Io stuff already, but what happened still was, at the very least, not as bad as what could have happened. What no one has said anything about yet is regarding Imani, and I personally was not expecting that fucked up ass story.

Like, I was uncomfortable about the Io scene obviously, but somehow the Imani stuff made me feel worse? (maybe cause I was anticipating the Io stuff but not the Imani one), and it's sort of unexpected because not only we didn't watch it happen, but she even skipped the most disgusting parts, and I still was fucked in the head after it.

I don't even know what to say about it. Maybe there's nothing to say after all. I really liked the update overall, but now that I think about it there's a lot of fucked up extremely dark shit in it.

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[OnlyHeStandsThere]

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choice wasn't that hard for me as I don't like her anyway. So enjoy your despair I guess. Rin also showing why shes one of the best girls in the game. Though I wish she wasn't blonde now.

 

[korendrd]

I believe the Haruka event is activated by visiting Haruka at the Koi Cafe on Saturday Morning. The Rin event follows immediately after. I got this after getting every other event.

I got Haruka/Rin before Futaba, so one is not a prereq for the other.

 

[Bingoogus]

I wonder if that Noriko scene was just Nao being Nao or if it's setup for Noriko being the one to restore Maya Prime... and maybe the experience will lead to her to the roof and joining the RAS...

 

[JelF547]

I wonder if that Noriko scene was just Nao being Nao or if it's setup for Noriko being the one to restore Maya Prime... and maybe the experience will lead to her to the roof and joining the RAS...

Why couldn't it be both? Also, Noriko is in kind of ideal position to be literally sacrificed, and we do known that to return someone we should sacrifice somebody of equal value. In a roundabout way, her value is equal to Maya's

 

[Lux Perpetua]

Well, that was painful and disturbing to read.
Didn't get this big idea of fuck/borderline rape a girl into loving sex. Hard to guess how their relationship will continue to develop, given how different consequences both choices lead to. So far the game hasn't seemed particularly variable, so the consequences of the choices should lead to a close outcome?

 

[OnlyHeStandsThere]

Disappointed

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[notproudofbeinghere]

Bro, this second event of Io, in my opinion, doesn't make any narrative sense because how the hell is her story going to develop now? In my opinion, it would make a lot more sense to leave there than for this to happen, especially knowing her trauma, it doesn't make sense, Selly thinks you can cure a victim of sexual abuse with sex. This event only served to screw Io and Akira's heads even more and make many more people stop wanting 100% of the game. There's a quote from Akira and Maya that says, “Sometimes forcing people to do things they're not comfortable with is the best way to get them forward.” BUT THIS DOESN'T WORK FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE IO, so it doesn't make any sense, I swear I'm trying to understand Selly, but it seems like he got lost in this part because if he tries to make Io start liking sex just for the sake of it , it's going to be the most pointless thing in the world, so I'm still trying to understand what crazy plan Selly is trying to make for Io's story because what he did in this event doesn't make sense for things to progress in the future

I've never seen anyone lose the point of an scene this bad before. The whole fucking scene has this puke inducing atmosphere all tied to it, you literally see a man showing love through the only way he knows thanks to his broken state of mind, constantly trying to make another broken person to enjoy it as well because he literally doesn't fucking knows another way, he is confused the whole time, he can't even understand the situation he is in, all fucking points to the fact that You. Fucking. Can't. Deal with this shit trough sex in such a tragic spot, and you still find your way to say Sel thinks you can cure SA trauma with happy lovey dovey sex.

It's literally to sides of the same spectrum colliding, one that sees sex as the only coping mechanism and the only way to show affection, and other that is totally adverse to the idea, yet indulges because in it's rotten mind, it's the way things are, she literally tells him that "that's why she is there".

And it's even crazier to me when this whole fucking update constantsly reminds the reader how Sensei views sex and what does it mean for him in relationships with the ones he loves. I'm really sorry if I sound like I'm making a big deal about it but seriously what the fuck?

 

[AzureVolt]

You know, I knew what I was going in from the start of this game, not hard to see with all the mind broken characters and how the story is written, but, holy shit, I was not prepared for this update. Nothing could have prepared me for this.

If this is just a taste of what the dark route taste like, I have a feeling that my event list will have a lot more holes in missing events.

I want to fucking die.

 

[runner810]

anyone else have rin's last event missed? Where did I go wrong?

 

[Dc345]

I think this update has the most h scenes out of any update clocking in at 5 if you count Wakana joining Sensei and Imani

 

[Moonflare]

I've never seen anyone lose the point of an scene this bad before. The whole fucking scene has this puke inducing atmosphere all tied to it, you literally see a man showing love through the only way he knows thanks to his broken state of mind, constantly trying to make another broken person to enjoy it as well because he literally doesn't fucking knows another way, he is confused the whole time, he can't even understand the situation he is in, all fucking points to the fact that You. Fucking. Can't. Deal with this shit trough sex in such a tragic spot, and you still find your way to say Sel thinks you can cure SA trauma with happy lovey dovey sex.

It's literally to sides of the same spectrum colliding, one that sees sex as the only coping mechanism and the only way to show affection, and other that is totally adverse to the idea, yet indulges because in it's rotten mind, it's the way things are, she literally tells him that "that's why she is there".

And it's even crazier to me when this whole fucking update constantsly reminds the reader how Sensei views sex and what does it mean for him in relationships with the ones he loves. I'm really sorry if I sound like I'm making a big deal about it but seriously what the fuck?

you are correct in your analysis of the scene, but imo you should not overlook that this was a deeply disturbing event and we're dealing with people's first reactions to it. Even if someone posted a wildly emotional response to it, that wasn't well thought out, I wouldn't be surprised about it or judge them for it.

secondly, I think the two of you are talking about different things. As you are talking about how Io and Akira are viewing that situation in the present, he's talking about the narrative ramifications of his choice in the future. If Io somehow gets better through reliving her trauma in such a bizarre way, well, that would be questionable storytelling at best. And I agree that anyone that questions where Selebus is going with this has reason to do so in many levels.

As it is, we can only question it, we'll know in a few months.

 

[Moonflare]

anyone else have rin's last event missed? Where did I go wrong?

Haruka sex. You have to have seen her event from last update as well.

 

[notproudofbeinghere]

you are correct in your analysis of the scene, but imo you should not overlook that this was a deeply disturbing event and we're dealing with people's first reactions to it. Even if someone posted a wildly emotional response to it, that wasn't well thought out, I wouldn't be surprised about it or judge them for it.

secondly, I think the two of you are talking about different things. As you are talking about how Io and Akira are viewing that situation in the present, he's talking about the narrative ramifications of his choice in the future. If Io somehow gets better through reliving her trauma in such a bizarre way, well, that would be questionable storytelling at best. And I agree that anyone that questions where Selebus is going with this has reason to do so in many levels.

As it is, we can only question it, we'll know in a few months.

The thing is this, I think the whole point of the choice is to somehow show both the struggle of a twisted man who talks and bonds with sexual contact only find it's way to share that love with it's total opposite (Which by it's own is an extremely interesting subject), and to show that same men trying to show those feelings in a way that both parties can't even understand, that's the reason Io is so weirded out when Sensei leaves the room, she literally thought there was no other way, and we will now see how much Sensei will be able to handle a relationship like this, which is why I also think this is not a closure point for Io's route, both rather an alternative approach, both options sound fucking wild and I this whole thing is probably one of the most brilliant choices Sel has done in the last updates regarding branching narrative (This last thing is actually referenced in this very update, even joking with the fact that Sel doesn't want things to get out of hand).

 

[Pedro4545454]

I've never seen anyone lose the point of an scene this bad before. The whole fucking scene has this puke inducing atmosphere all tied to it, you literally see a man showing love through the only way he knows thanks to his broken state of mind, constantly trying to make another broken person to enjoy it as well because he literally doesn't fucking knows another way, he is confused the whole time, he can't even understand the situation he is in, all fucking points to the fact that You. Fucking. Can't. Deal with this shit trough sex in such a tragic spot, and you still find your way to say Sel thinks you can cure SA trauma with happy lovey dovey sex.

It's literally to sides of the same spectrum colliding, one that sees sex as the only coping mechanism and the only way to show affection, and other that is totally adverse to the idea, yet indulges because in it's rotten mind, it's the way things are, she literally tells him that "that's why she is there".

And it's even crazier to me when this whole fucking update constantsly reminds the reader how Sensei views sex and what does it mean for him in relationships with the ones he loves. I'm really sorry if I sound like I'm making a big deal about it but seriously what the fuck?

Relax man, that message of mine was more of an outburst of what I was feeling at the time because of the event with Io, I understand how Akira's Mind works for Sex, but what I was also trying to say in that outburst of mine is that in My opinion is that if Io starts to improve through sex it won't make sense to me, it might make sense to other people, but for me it doesn't and I'm worried about how Selly will make her improve now with this having happened without it seeming forced.

 

[OnlyHeStandsThere]

I'm missing the last two events with Futaba, how do I start them?

 

[Pedro4545454]

I'm missing two events with Futaba, how do I start them?

Go to the dorm and talk to her

 

[OnlyHeStandsThere]

Go to the dorm and talk to her

I get shampoo'd when I go to the dorm. Maybe my lust isn't high enough.

 

[Moonflare]

The thing is this, I think the whole point of the choice is to somehow show both the struggle of a twisted man who talks and bonds with sexual contact only find it's way to share that love with it's total opposite (Which by it's own is an extremely interesting subject), and to show that same men trying to show those feelings in a way that both parties can't even understand, that's the reason Io is so weirded out when Sensei leaves the room, she literally thought there was no other way, and we will now see how much Sensei will be able to handle a relationship like this, which is why I also think this is not a closure point for Io's route, both rather an alternative approach, both options sound fucking wild and I this whole thing is probably one of the most brilliant choices Sel has done in the last updates regarding branching narrative (This last thing is actually referenced in this very update, even joking with the fact that Sel doesn't want things to get out of hand).

I don't think anyone disputes the idea of a choice in theory, but rather its history of being applied in this game. Don't get me wrong, I do hope it turns out to be brilliant this time because, in my opinion, so far, every time he presented a choice, what followed ranged between mediocre and awful.

When comparing both paths of the Nodoka's blackmail, if Yumi stormed out then the following events barely make sense. If Kirin didn't blackmail Ayane, you lose Ayane fighting back and Kirin actually being human trash instead of just talking about it. If Akira was a bad homie, then the game just forcefully brings it into a stalemate between the two of them anyway, after you miss a bunch of stuff.

And it's always about missing. I have stated this before, you cannot make a good branching narrative on a game where branches only ever go one way. Io's third event is supposed to happen - and if one chooses to "miss" it then her eventual development will either not make as much sense as it should have, or there will barely be any development either way in order to maintain narrative cohesion.

That's the point I think most people are making. It's a worry about where this will go from here, rather than what happened right now.

 

[Pedro4545454]

I don't think anyone disputes the idea of a choice in theory, but rather its history of being applied in this game. Don't get me wrong, I do hope it turns out to be brilliant this time because, in my opinion, so far, every time he presented a choice, what followed ranged between mediocre and awful.

When comparing both paths of the Nodoka's blackmail, if Yumi stormed out then the following events barely make sense. If Kirin didn't blackmail Ayane, you lose Ayane fighting back and Kirin actually being human trash instead of just talking about it. If Akira was a bad homie, then the game just forcefully brings it into a stalemate between the two of them anyway, after you miss a bunch of stuff.

And it's always about missing. I have stated this before, you cannot make a good branching narrative on a game where branches only ever go one way. Io's third event is supposed to happen - and if one chooses to "miss" it then her eventual development will either not make as much sense as it should have, or there will barely be any development either way in order to maintain narrative cohesion.

That's the point I think most people are making. It's a worry about where this will go from here, rather than what happened right now.

I'm glad you understand exactly what I'm trying to say.