Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.55.0] [Selebus]

[Klldarkness]

It could be, but I don't think it is from the scene overall. Maki would have a very fucked up moral "highground" to Makoto's "that girl is my clone", if she was just Maki herself. And also, iirc, Maki was more or less "normal" before Masahiro (but I could be wrong about that).

But since we're talking tinfoil, I'm surprised no one brought up the theory that Rin is Sekai's first child (from "Kyoto") yet though. There was a moment I went "Ami's not your actual child! But Rin is!"

It'd be a curious misdirection if Sana wasn't ever a part of the Arakawa family, and instead it was Rin. Maybe they both are.

Maybe everyone is! Lmao

I dunno, it might be too on the nose even for Sel...but also kinda right up his alleyway?

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As far as it being Maki, it would also explain partly why Maki has so much empathy for Akira and his being a victim of child exploitation...if she herself was also a victim.

It's easy to imagine she acted in a few videos, everything fell apart, she swore off it.

She ends up with Cuck Extraordinaire, who being a totally normal Japanese Man, loves a good Teen Fuck Video.

Maki, wanting to be liked, is like, "Oh my god teehee I was in those videos!"(She is not very bright...)

Masahiro is then like "WOW I CAN WATCH MY HOT GIRLFRIEND GET BANGED ON VIDEO ALL THE TIME??! WIFE MATERIAL"

Bingo Bango, now they do gangbangs while he sits in a cuck chair.

Totally plausible!

 

[Bingoogus]

Ami's not your actual child!

What do you make of that bit where Akira says she's not his? Denial or irritation it was his asshole brother that knocked Sekai up? He seemed like he was gritting his teeth...

but it's obviously Maki in the video, right?

Interesting idea... would like Mooney's comment checked for though before i throw it in the maybe pile...

But Rin is!

Wondering how Sekai would've hidden the baby belly for several months before dumping the baby at the orphanage... i'm gonna go with a flat no on that one... open to being convinced, but the evidence would need to be substantial...

 

[smallst8]

Wondering how Sekai would've hidden the baby belly for several months before dumping the baby at the orphanage... i'm gonna go with a flat no on that one... open to being convinced, but the evidence would need to be substantial...

It's possible Nozumo was out and about trying to impregnate as many people as possible. Sekai was not faithful but you assume he was?

 

[Detective Dc345]

Maybe everyone is! Lmao

I dunno, it might be too on the nose even for Sel...but also kinda right up his alleyway?

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As far as it being Maki, it would also explain partly why Maki has so much empathy for Akira and his being a victim of child exploitation...if she herself was also a victim.

It's easy to imagine she acted in a few videos, everything fell apart, she swore off it.

She ends up with Cuck Extraordinaire, who being a totally normal Japanese Man, loves a good Teen Fuck Video.

Maki, wanting to be liked, is like, "Oh my god teehee I was in those videos!"(She is not very bright...)

Masahiro is then like "WOW I CAN WATCH MY HOT GIRLFRIEND GET BANGED ON VIDEO ALL THE TIME??! WIFE MATERIAL"

Bingo Bango, now they do gangbangs while he sits in a cuck chair.

Totally plausible!

I think Masahiro was more of the Cuck Ceo.

Spoiler: He was in one of these....

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Grading the guys plowing his wife.

 

[derekthered56]

ALSO, I haven't seen anyone mention it yet...but it's obviously Maki in the video, right? Older series that preyed on younger girls(who in turn lie about their age to perform). Exact clone of Makoto? Always performing with multiple guys?

It's literally describing Maki's sexual proclivities, the same kinds that Makoto talks about Maki doing later in life.

Maki also seemed to know A LOT about the fallout behind the scenes of the porn series.

It's not definitive but surely Makoto wouldn't mistake her own mother for a look-alike actress of herself?
Also I don't think Maki knowing that stuff needs explanation; she's exactly the kind of person to legitimately read porn news.

What do you make of that bit where Akira says she's not his? Denial or irritation it was his asshole brother that knocked Sekai up? He seemed like he was gritting his teeth...

I take it as a consequence of his talk with Ami last update. He's not denying that Ami is his daughter, he's denying that she's his Ami. I believe he had a similar thought during their argument over Niki.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

iirc, Maki was more or less "normal" before Masahiro (but I could be wrong about that).

Yeah, ostensibly she was a nerdy plain girl in highschool who Masahiro didn't look twice at until University when she'd gotten hotter. This is also reinforced/alluded to at least a couple of times by Haruka and Sara including in the Chistmalloween update where Haruka comments about Sara having gotten more action highschool than her and Maki combined. It's also emphasised multiple times throughout the game by both Maki and Makoto that Masahiro was the one who really pushed their dynamic and would leave home for days at a time on sex benders whilst Maki stayed home so yeah, pretty much all of Maki's degeneracy revolves around Masahiro. Kinkiest thing she's done in the present day story aside from a couple threesomes with the one guy she's seeing is take it up the shitter.

As far as Student Punishment Games (or whatever it's called) goes it's an interesting theory but on its own just the existence of a girl who looked like Maki isn't really anything to go off of. Her being an enthusiastic porn retailer and connoisseur is more than enough to explain her knowledge of that situation and if Maki had a past history of that type of abuse I feel like it would have been hinted at by now, if not overtly brought up in one of her now multiple heart-to-hearts to Akira and others about his abuse.

On top of that we know she got the DVD for that confrontation from her own stock because her daughter unwillingly bought it for Akira. If the girl from the film were an underaged Maki it would be incredibly bizarre (and very inconsistent with her feelings on the subject) for her to stock and peddle it in her own family store where her daughter works.

 

[crustlord12]

On top of that we know she got the DVD for that confrontation from her own stock because her daughter unwillingly bought it for Akira. If the girl from the film were an underaged Maki it would be incredibly bizarre (and very inconsistent with her feelings on the subject) for her to stock and peddle it in her own family store where her daughter works.

She's clearly getting royalties for every time that DVD is sold

 

[SemiAdroit1]

Dropping a 14GB game on anything but GoFile is ridiculous.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

She's clearly getting royalties for every time that DVD is sold

She doesn't need to sell it herself if she's getting royalties then

I'm pretty sure exploited underage pornstars don't tend to receive royalties though. In fact, I'm pretty sure adult pornstars don't tend to get royalties

 

[Klldarkness]

Yeah, ostensibly she was a nerdy plain girl in highschool who Masahiro didn't look twice at until University when she'd gotten hotter. This is also reinforced/alluded to at least a couple of times by Haruka and Sara including in the Chistmalloween update where Haruka comments about Sara having gotten more action highschool than her and Maki combined. It's also emphasised multiple times throughout the game by both Maki and Makoto that Masahiro was the one who really pushed their dynamic.

As far as Student Punishment Games (or whatever it's called) goes it's an interesting theory but on its own just the existence of a girl who looked like Maki isn't really anything to go off of. Her being an enthusiastic porn retailer and connoisseur is more than enough to explain her knowledge of that situation and if Maki had a past history of that type of abuse I feel like it would have been hinted at by now, if not overtly brought up in one of her now multiple heart-to-hearts to Akira and others about his abuse.

On top of that we know she got the DVD for that confrontation from her own stock because her daughter unwillingly bought it for Akira. If the girl from the film were an underaged Maki it would be incredibly bizarre (and very inconsistent with her feelings on the subject) for her to stock and peddle it in her own family store where her daughter works.

Nerdy plain girl? Like Makoto?

Also, hiding from your friends that you acted in porn while underage is a completely normal response. Sara and Haruka not knowing wouldn't surprise me at all.

As for the DVD being in her stock...she also points out that series is one of the best selling series in Japan. Maki doesn't seem to be shy about her own sexuality, so selling the best selling series to ensure her business is successful wouldn't surprise me, especially when the videos themselves haven't been conventionally banned.

I also wouldn't be surprised to find out that they carry them because of Masahiro. Imagine the ultimate cuck feeling he'd get every time he sells a video of Makoto getting gangbanged, knowing some guy is gonna get off to his wife over and over.

Still plausible! Likely? Maybe, maybe not. But still a possibility, in my mind.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: 0.56 Preview

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[barglenarglezous]

I mean, yes - I understand that.

Spoiler: reasoning

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Mother of the year right there.

The whole "if you say you are, one of two things will happen and even I don't know which one I'll do" conversation where the first option is the clear correct answer is telling.

Option one is the clear right answer, so why is there even an option 2? We, as readers understand already -- but Maki doesn't. Maki knows what she should do, but doesn't understand why she isn't doing it, or why everyone else seems to be glossing over it the way they are.

Maki's waking up, and is trying to figure out why everyone else is asleep.

 

[givemeabeer]

Welp... I made the latest update and... oh damn, why so much humor? Okay, I might be ultra bitter, but god. Such a concentration of humor has annoy me. Maybe not annoy, it's a bit harsh, but... I don't know? Anyway, especially while, next to it, there were some frankly interesting things.

Anyhow, get ready, the reading will probably be long (as always) :

Spoiler: 0.55 Update

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In the end... not especially a bad update. Well, a bit too much humor to my taste, but I'm an old bitter, so it's certainly my problem.

That being said, I had the impression that Selebus spoke a lot to us through this update. Between this :

Spoiler: Selebus

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And this :

Spoiler: Selebus 2

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Where I really wanted to say out loud: "Yes, Selebus..."

And to finish, Ami, you are insufferable :

Spoiler: Ami

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It's so big, so constant, that I almost start wondering if you're not the good guy who fights against the villain Himawari.

Really, it's too big. There must be something beneath.

Anyway, that's it... I vanish!

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Also, hiding from your friends that you acted in porn while underage is a completely normal response. Sara and Haruka not knowing wouldn't surprise me at all.

Sounds like a pretty good reason for her to not stock a DVD of her own underage porn in a shop where her best friends from highschool regularly shop lol

As for the DVD being in her stock...she also points out that series is one of the best selling series in Japan. Maki doesn't seem to be shy about her own sexuality, so selling the best selling series to ensure her business is successful wouldn't surprise me, especially when the videos themselves haven't been conventionally banned.

We're not just talking about her own sexuality though, we're talking about her being exploited into porn as (what she would see to be) a child and then sticking said porn on a shelf for her underage daughter to sell to people both of them know - including multiple people who would recognise it as her if they saw the cover, her boyfriend (who is also her daughter's teacher), multiple other teachers from the same school and several of her daughter's peers from school. Why? To appeal to the fetish of a guy she'd already tied down and who's been either absent from her life or dead for technically like 8 years at this point?

I mean I guess I can't entirely rule it out as a possibility and I do think it'd be an interesting twist but I definitely think it would be super out of place for it to turn out to be her at this point lol

 

[JelF547]

ALSO, I haven't seen anyone mention it yet...but it's obviously Maki in the video, right? Older series that preyed on younger girls(who in turn lie about their age to perform). Exact clone of Makoto? Always performing with multiple guys?

It's literally describing Maki's sexual proclivities, the same kinds that Makoto talks about Maki doing later in life.

Maki also seemed to know A LOT about the fallout behind the scenes of the porn series.

That's a good one.

 

[Ffefuhfeuhfeuh]

But since we're talking tinfoil, I'm surprised no one brought up the theory that Rin is Sekai's first child (from "Kyoto") yet though. There was a moment I went "Ami's not your actual child! But Rin is!"

unless i'm misremembering, wouldnt that be impossible without some sort of time shenanigans on account of rin being a year younger than the rest of the girls, and therefore ami

 

[Klldarkness]

Sounds like a pretty good reason for her to not stock a DVD of her own underage porn in a shop where her best friends from highschool regularly shop lol



We're not just talking about her own sexuality though, we're talking about her being exploited into porn as (what she would see to be) a child and then sticking said porn on a shelf for her underage daughter to sell to people both of them know - including multiple people who would recognise it as her if they saw the cover, her boyfriend (who is also her daughter's teacher), multiple other teachers from the same school and several of her daughter's peers from school. Why? To appeal to the fetish of a guy she'd already tied down and who's been either absent from her life or dead for technically like 8 years at this point?

I mean I guess I can't entirely rule it out as a possibility and I do think it'd be an interesting twist but I definitely think it would be super out of place for it to turn out to be her at this point lol

Ah, but you see, this is exactly WHY it would make sense to sell it.

Think about this: She knows the actress was underage. Seeing as how strong she feels about it morally, WOULD she sell the videos if it was anyone other than her?

If it's her, she could easily see that by selling it, it's victimless now, as the victim, is profiting off of it. She has won back control, in a way.

It mirrors how a lot of rape victims will act out to win back their sexuality and sexual freedom. They feel it was stolen from them, so they do things to steal it back.

This could easily be what Maki is doing.

I don't think Maki is bad enough of a person to sell CSAM of someone other than herself; and seeing as she knows all the history behind the series, she is obviously aware of exactly what it is.

But again, if it is her? She would still have the moral high ground to sell it. It would make sense for her to use it to confront Akira as well.

 

[CheleDeCedul]

There's one detail about what Onund says to Rin that caught my attention:

Spoiler: TSS 8

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[bobloblawwwwwww]

Dang, Miku coming in clutch

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Ah, but you see, this is exactly WHY it would make sense to sell it.

Think about this: She knows the actress was underage. Seeing as how strong she feels about it morally, WOULD she sell the videos if it was anyone other than her?

If it's her, she could easily see that by selling it, it's victimless now, as the victim, is profiting off of it. She has won back control, in a way.

It mirrors how a lot of rape victims will act out to win back their sexuality and sexual freedom. They feel it was stolen from them, so they do things to steal it back.

This could easily be what Maki is doing.

I don't think Maki is bad enough of a person to sell CSAM of someone other than herself; and seeing as she knows all the history behind the series, she is obviously aware of exactly what it is.

But again, if it is her? She would still have the moral high ground to sell it. It would make sense for her to use it to confront Akira as well.

But it wouldn't be victimless because, again, she would be roping her unwitting daughter into it in a very visible, public and easily discoverable way - which would also totally rob her of the moral high ground and put her reputation/business at risk.