VN Ren'Py Let the Nightshine In [v0.17 Ch. 2] [Sieglinnde]

[GuybrushPeepwood]

I've always said that what I do in the game is the kind of NTR I like, and if you don't like the direction the game is taking, it's understandable if you don't want to play it anymore... I hope that you were able to enjoy it at some point... That's what makes me happy after all
Anyway, you can stay tuned for the next game I'm going to release... Maybe that one will be more to your liking...
Also, in order to guide you a bit more about the scenes or the things that are available in every update, you can read the changelog or the developer notes (I add news almost always in dev notes, about the update or about some other things)

Like I said, I haven't played the update, yet. I have enjoyed it so far, otherwise I wouldn't even be here commenting in this thread or playing the update

The only thing I don't like is Ariana not being honest with our MC, even after he made it clear that he's into that sorta stuff, or at least wants to explore it. She's always thinking like "that's what he wanted, after all, so it's fine", but then keeps it secret from him, making promises she has no intention of keeping it seems. It feels like a weird overlap of netorare/netorase, where she's on the netorare and he on the netorase route I wouldn't even mind if she just said "I'm going to fuck Tyrone, like it or not" and just does it, even if he's not okay with it. At least she's being honest ^^
I mean, you could argue that the way it's done is maybe more realistic, with her being hesitant about it, not being totally honest etc., but I'm personally not looking for realism in my AVNs

Anyways, sorry for the rant Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to convince you to change your game, it's always best if the devs just follow their vision imo. With these kind of nieche genres especially, you will never be able to please everyone and that's just my personal preference.

 

[Fazed]

What I mean is: It's one thing if both partners agree on something and something different entirely if one is just cheating on the other, being dishonest etc. etc.
I'm not talking about the fetish, I'm talking about everything sorrounding it... If 2 people are in a happy relationship, exploring some kinks together, having fun... I'd say that's pretty wholesome compared to the classic NTR for example, which I usually don't enjoy and in contrast I wouldn't classify as wholesome...


EDIT: I haven't played the update, yet, only a couple slides at the very beginning. That and some of the comments in this thread make me believe that this VN does not fit in said wholesome category, for me at least. I want to give the update a chance, but I kinda doubt I'll continue with this one idk...

EDIT2: Take a couples duet for example. I like that style, because depending on your choices the dude is totally Ok with everything happening, he's watching, being humiliated etc. etc. but that's what turns him on, he's actively seeking out that experience and his wife is completely open and honest about everything, not doing shit behind his back etc. (I know there's other paths for that, but those I just avoid)

Uhh, well now you have made a distinction and while I can recognize that there is a difference between going behind a partner's back and having an agreement about it, anything regarding humiliation with regards to watching your partner being with someone else is categorically not wholesome to me. Pushing that humiliation can be wholesome is a stretch already but that? No way. I just don't have the capacity for it.

From a swinger's or a poly perspective I can see how a couple could enjoy that together. Reason being If I take myself as an example I got no problem with lesbian interactions(if there is an established friendship)and you could argue that it's the same thing I just draw the line at having another guy involved.


Sieglinnde
Dev if you are reading this, I have played your game. I was here from the first release and I still see that message in the dev notes about the vanilla route being the true route and everything else is a what if.

Well I can wholeheartedly say if that is still your intention then you aren't doing a good job of portraying it. Why do I say this? Well aside from the ntr/swinger route always being updated before the vanilla route, while playing the vanilla route there are times when the dialogue is "sus"...

Many of a the dialogue sequences are shared between the routes and they allude or build up to what is happening or will happen on the other path but at the last second the scene is either cut off or "non ntrish" or neutral dialog is added at the end and it is completely obvious that it was heading in a different direction. So obvious that I decided to confirm my suspicions and they were in fact correct(I checked the other route). This leads me to believe that the "vanilla" route is playing second fiddle at best which is counter to what you have said. Why else would the dialogue read the way it does? It certainly does detract from the vanilla route if the player can tell, without trying, that something else was "intended" to happen but replaced.

Whether this is a result of a lack of skill/willing effort/resources(but really how hard is it to change some dialogue...jeez man) to make the routes more distinct or a dishonest attempt at grabbing a broader crowd, Idk. I am 50/50 on it. While I did find some good moments on the vanilla path, a lot of the time it felt false or forced because of the dialogue and how the scenes played out. I think the most egregious example of this how Ari's friend flip-flips between outright accusing the MC of "definitely" cheating when she saw nothing, and then saying the opposite directly after choosing the dialogue option. (Actually the massage job "scene" was pretty bad in that regard too.) Normally I would say she is the worst type of friend to have but in this case I think this flaw is with the writing and not the characters themselves.

There is much room for improvement.

 

[GuybrushPeepwood]

Uhh, well now you have made a distinction and while I can recognize that there is a difference between going behind a partner's back and having an agreement about it, anything regarding humiliation with regards to watching your partner being with someone else is categorically not wholesome to me. Pushing that humiliation can be wholesome is a stretch already but that? No way. I just don't have the capacity for it.

I believe I made that distinction in my first post already: "jealousy and cheating behind MCs back, breaking up with him" = not wholesome to me.
Your opinion is perfectly valid and understandable. I'm a fan of femdom and to me some erotic humiliation in the context of cuckolding for example can be exciting, if done right, couple's duet is a prime example. Realistically, there needs to be boundaries, proper communication and some mutual respect ofc... I understand it's not for everyone.

 

[beoroa21123]

Ntr fan support here

 

[Kaholimo]

Is there any way to fix this? I cant play the game xd

 

[Kaholimo]

Is there any way to fix this? I cant play the game xd

I think this is the error stuffs

 

[Harem Trooper]

Uhh, well now you have made a distinction and while I can recognize that there is a difference between going behind a partner's back and having an agreement about it, anything regarding humiliation with regards to watching your partner being with someone else is categorically not wholesome to me. Pushing that humiliation can be wholesome is a stretch already but that? No way. I just don't have the capacity for it.

From a swinger's or a poly perspective I can see how a couple could enjoy that together. Reason being If I take myself as an example I got no problem with lesbian interactions(if there is an established friendship)and you could argue that it's the same thing I just draw the line at having another guy involved.


Sieglinnde
Dev if you are reading this, I have played your game. I was here from the first release and I still see that message in the dev notes about the vanilla route being the true route and everything else is a what if.

Well I can wholeheartedly say if that is still your intention then you aren't doing a good job of portraying it. Why do I say this? Well aside from the ntr/swinger route always being updated before the vanilla route, while playing the vanilla route there are times when the dialogue is "sus"...

Many of a the dialogue sequences are shared between the routes and they allude or build up to what is happening or will happen on the other path but at the last second the scene is either cut off or "non ntrish" or neutral dialog is added at the end and it is completely obvious that it was heading in a different direction. So obvious that I decided to confirm my suspicions and they were in fact correct(I checked the other route). This leads me to believe that the "vanilla" route is playing second fiddle at best which is counter to what you have said. Why else would the dialogue read the way it does? It certainly does detract from the vanilla route if the player can tell, without trying, that something else was "intended" to happen but replaced.

Whether this is a result of a lack of skill/willing effort/resources(but really how hard is it to change some dialogue...jeez man) to make the routes more distinct or a dishonest attempt at grabbing a broader crowd, Idk. I am 50/50 on it. While I did find some good moments on the vanilla path, a lot of the time it felt false or forced because of the dialogue and how the scenes played out. I think the most egregious example of this how Ari's friend flip-flips between outright accusing the MC of "definitely" cheating when she saw nothing, and then saying the opposite directly after choosing the dialogue option. (Actually the massage job "scene" was pretty bad in that regard too.) Normally I would say she is the worst type of friend to have but in this case I think this flaw is with the writing and not the characters themselves.

There is much room for improvement.

Agree. I mean will you look at that: (You have to read it from the bottom upwards)

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The last version I played was 0.1.2 Ch1 and the paths had their distinction how the girls and MC behaved. What I cant confirm but also wont disagree what you said about the dialog being "sus" bsc more or less it sounds like it was lazy writting or just being lazy since the NTR-Route is in really the main focus/liking of the Dev. I mean after that one update I played the only content was either Cuck content or Mega-Cuck contend and it continued to this day. Thats why I said back then this whole "No-NTR" route bing "true path" (or whatever he called it back then) was a lie or he coped hard on that because with his fetish alone it was predictable. Also no suprise his next game is NTR focused lol. And I saw that when the game got updates and I checked the changelogs to confirm it. So if you here for the non-ntr path I guess you better wait for the game to see a complete tag and also then I would tell you not to expect much.

Edit: Checked the reviews and no surprise there, most of them, recent and older ones, mention that the Vanilla route does not exist or dont get any update.

 

[Fazed]

Agree. I mean will you look at that: (You have to read it from the bottom upwards)

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The last version I played was 0.1.2 Ch1 and the paths had their distinction how the girls and MC behaved. What I cant confirm but also wont disagree what you said about the dialog being "sus" bsc more or less it sounds like it was lazy writting or just being lazy since the NTR-Route is in really the main focus/liking of the Dev. I mean after that one update I played the only content was either Cuck content or Mega-Cuck contend and it continued to this day. Thats why I said back then this whole "No-NTR" route bing "true path" (or whatever he called it back then) was a lie or he coped hard on that because with his fetish alone it was predictable. And I saw that when the game got updates and I checked the changelogs to confirm it. So if you here for the non-ntr path I guess you better wait for the game to see a complete tag and also then I would tell you not to expect much.

That's an awful lot of dev time being put into those so-called "what-ifs". It is what it is I guess.

 

[Harem Trooper]

That's an awful lot of dev time being put into those so-called "what-ifs". It is what it is I guess.

Its his fetish so what do you expect ? I remember the very first version of it when I saw it. Im talking about the "real-porn" version, not this with the HS2 models and it was just your another cuck story. And it also wasnt changed. The "no-NTR" path was there, tho almost non exsitend, but the problem is also what do you do if you automaticly avoid the douche and the girls already are either interested in you or are in a relationship with you ?

The what-ifs make sense if these are really what-ifs, which mean they should be all over the place what the contend concerns. But as you saw its either only Netorase or Netorare and some other mix of both of them. Once again it was obvious. The only thing what we can learn not to trust or believe it the next time it will be brought up.

 

[Fazed]

Its his fetish so what do you expect ? I remember the very first version of it when I saw it. Im talking about the "real-porn" version, not this with the HS2 models and it was just your another cuck story. And it also wasnt changed. The "no-NTR" path was there, tho almost non exsitend, but the problem is also what do you do if you automaticly avoid the douche and the girls already are either interested in you or are in a relationship with you ?

The what-ifs make sense if these are really what-ifs, which mean they should be all over the place what the contend concerns. But as you saw its either only Netorase or Netorare and some other mix of both of them. Once again it was obvious. The only thing what we can learn not to trust or believe it the next time it will be brought up.

Idc what the dev's kink is. I expect what-ifs to be what-ifs not actually be the main story. That is the issue I have or I guess had since like you said it's been obvious for a while. It was misleading at best and dishonest at worst. That's pretty much it.
The next game will be ntr focused anyway so at least he's not trying the same ploy again.

 

[Kotobiki]

Uhh, well now you have made a distinction and while I can recognize that there is a difference between going behind a partner's back and having an agreement about it, anything regarding humiliation with regards to watching your partner being with someone else is categorically not wholesome to me. Pushing that humiliation can be wholesome is a stretch already but that? No way. I just don't have the capacity for it.

From a swinger's or a poly perspective I can see how a couple could enjoy that together. Reason being If I take myself as an example I got no problem with lesbian interactions(if there is an established friendship)and you could argue that it's the same thing I just draw the line at having another guy involved.


Sieglinnde
Dev if you are reading this, I have played your game. I was here from the first release and I still see that message in the dev notes about the vanilla route being the true route and everything else is a what if.

Well I can wholeheartedly say if that is still your intention then you aren't doing a good job of portraying it. Why do I say this? Well aside from the ntr/swinger route always being updated before the vanilla route, while playing the vanilla route there are times when the dialogue is "sus"...

Many of a the dialogue sequences are shared between the routes and they allude or build up to what is happening or will happen on the other path but at the last second the scene is either cut off or "non ntrish" or neutral dialog is added at the end and it is completely obvious that it was heading in a different direction. So obvious that I decided to confirm my suspicions and they were in fact correct(I checked the other route). This leads me to believe that the "vanilla" route is playing second fiddle at best which is counter to what you have said. Why else would the dialogue read the way it does? It certainly does detract from the vanilla route if the player can tell, without trying, that something else was "intended" to happen but replaced.

Whether this is a result of a lack of skill/willing effort/resources(but really how hard is it to change some dialogue...jeez man) to make the routes more distinct or a dishonest attempt at grabbing a broader crowd, Idk. I am 50/50 on it. While I did find some good moments on the vanilla path, a lot of the time it felt false or forced because of the dialogue and how the scenes played out. I think the most egregious example of this how Ari's friend flip-flips between outright accusing the MC of "definitely" cheating when she saw nothing, and then saying the opposite directly after choosing the dialogue option. (Actually the massage job "scene" was pretty bad in that regard too.) Normally I would say she is the worst type of friend to have but in this case I think this flaw is with the writing and not the characters themselves.

There is much room for improvement.

Thats why the term "Death of the Author" was coined, because whats actually writen supercedes authors intent, theyre humans and thus fallible after all.

 

[Kekekerkek]

hey, does the other game being made will have netorase/sharing aswell?

 

[Sieglinnde]

hey, does the other game being made will have netorase/sharing aswell?

yes

 

[Anzonio]

well this update definitely didnt disappoint , now path with joseph too, good job dev

 

[angelm1ke]

Regarding your poll, I think your question lacks context. What kind of game are you creating? If it is a VN, I would definitely answer Ren'Py. If it is a RPG with battles and sexual content, I would definitely go for RPG maker.
Or does my/our answers influence the type of game you are creating?...

 

[Sieglinnde]

Regarding your poll, I think your question lacks context. What kind of game are you creating? If it is a VN, I would definitely answer Ren'Py. If it is a RPG with battles and sexual content, I would definitely go for RPG maker.
Or does my/our answers influence the type of game you are creating?...

Its a VN, im doing it on renpy at the moment

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Havent played this for a few months, are there more swinging/ntr scenes now than just the one black guy?

 

[Sieglinnde]

Havent played this for a few months, are there more swinging/ntr scenes now than just the one black guy?

yes

 

[Joshy92]

Does anyone else get a lot of black screens during scenes or is it only me
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is that supposed to happen?

 

[Sieglinnde]

Does anyone else get a lot of black screens during scenes or is it only me
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is that supposed to happen?

No, it isn't suppose to happen... I would like to know if anyone else had this problem?