VN Ren'Py Let the Nightshine In [v0.17 Ch. 2] [Sieglinnde]

[Griev]

Not a fan of swinging games myself but the MC very clearly states he has a humiliation fetish its not just swinging Ari is just really good a giving him what he wants so the withheld info the ingoring its all shit he likes and she knows it. Why is she so good at it probably because she is a huge slut so it comes easy for her I think players need to pay attention to the choices made because these change the interests of the bf the most and therefore decide what is and is not a betrayal of the relationship. I feel like players are playing one route and transferring feelings to another route just beacue Ari has the same actions but the intentions are different.

She is good at giving him what he wants but is still lying and having sex behind his back because she's selfish and a liar. I'll explain my thoughts on this so you don't think I'm missing anything.
MC has already made it clear that he's forgiven her for cheating behind his back when all he initially mentioned to her is he'd liked to hear about her kissing, but nothing more.
She confesses after multiple cases of sucking other guys' dicks behind his back and actually having sex with Tyrone. This created a new, fresh slate for their relationship which would see them both being more open about what happens moving forward.
The next day she immediately goes looking for Tyrone after class. This scene highlights the budding humiliation kink MC has. After she gets to Tyrone's house they fuck the entire day and night. She only sends MC a pic with Tyrone's dick on her face. MC's inner thoughts express how, he wonders if they went further BUT thinks to himself "no. She wouldn't".
So in his mind he doesn't believe she'd be doing more than what she's showing him, or communicating to him what she's up to. After all there's no reason to lie anymore, right?
Ok so the day after this, where the latest update begins, MC asks her what happened that night. She admits to blowing Tyrone and doesn't go further. Seeing that she wasn't going to elaborate MC asks her directly if she did anything else with Tyrone and she flatout said "No" then went on about how all they did was sleep in each other's arms, then she woke up the next morning and sucked his dick again.
There's no reason for this. No reason to lie, or with hold information at this point since MC is struggling to learn the ins and outs of his fetish. In fact, there's no reason for her to have sex with Tyrone at all, since it has 0 to do with MC's fetish at ALL. He doesn't see it, he doesn't hear about it and she never tells him about it so how is that apart of his fetish at all?
She could easily do exactly what she's telling him she's doing, sucking Tyrone off, and that be the end of her nights as she says when she's lying to MC. She could then tease him about it and its fine. Everything is out in the open and its actually a sharing/swinging route. But she doesn't do that. She fucks, a lot.. Doesn't tell him and lies about doing it when asked. That's not teasing my friend. That's not playing up to MC's fetish as there's nothing for him to fetishize when he's out of the loop as to it even happening.
She also lied about sending Tyrone pictures, and had to be caught in her lie to finally let it slip. Even after being caught, she sent him another pic of her tiddies, while MC was alseep. MC asked her about it and she gaslighted him about it. I guess that's just teasing as well?

It's not a case of getting the different tags mixed up its a case of FMC having zero self awareness.
The game effectively has 3 routes honestly.
Vanilla. NTR/Cheating/Cucking and NTR/Blackmail

 

[Nightguy1]

She is good at giving him what he wants but is still lying and having sex behind his back because she's selfish and a liar. I'll explain my thoughts on this so you don't think I'm missing anything.
MC has already made it clear that he's forgiven her for cheating behind his back when all he initially mentioned to her is he'd liked to hear about her kissing, but nothing more.
She confesses after multiple cases of sucking other guys' dicks behind his back and actually having sex with Tyrone. This created a new, fresh slate for their relationship which would see them both being more open about what happens moving forward.
The next day she immediately goes looking for Tyrone after class. This scene highlights the budding humiliation kink MC has. After she gets to Tyrone's house they fuck the entire day and night. She only sends MC a pic with Tyrone's dick on her face. MC's inner thoughts express how, he wonders if they went further BUT thinks to himself "no. She wouldn't".
So in his mind he doesn't believe she'd be doing more than what she's showing him, or communicating to him what she's up to. After all there's no reason to lie anymore, right?
Ok so the day after this, where the latest update begins, MC asks her what happened that night. She admits to blowing Tyrone and doesn't go further. Seeing that she wasn't going to elaborate MC asks her directly if she did anything else with Tyrone and she flatout said "No" then went on about how all they did was sleep in each other's arms, then she woke up the next morning and sucked his dick again.
There's no reason for this. No reason to lie, or with hold information at this point since MC is struggling to learn the ins and outs of his fetish. In fact, there's no reason for her to have sex with Tyrone at all, since it has 0 to do with MC's fetish at ALL. He doesn't see it, he doesn't hear about it and she never tells him about it so how is that apart of his fetish at all?
She could easily do exactly what she's telling him she's doing, sucking Tyrone off, and that be the end of her nights as she says when she's lying to MC. She could then tease him about it and its fine. Everything is out in the open and its actually a sharing/swinging route. But she doesn't do that. She fucks, a lot.. Doesn't tell him and lies about doing it when asked. That's not teasing my friend. That's not playing up to MC's fetish as there's nothing for him to fetishize when he's out of the loop as to it even happening.
She also lied about sending Tyrone pictures, and had to be caught in her lie to finally let it slip. Even after being caught, she sent him another pic of her tiddies, while MC was alseep. MC asked her about it and she gaslighted him about it. I guess that's just teasing as well?

It's not a case of getting the different tags mixed up its a case of FMC having zero self awareness.
The game effectively has 3 routes honestly.
Vanilla. NTR/Cheating/Cucking and NTR/Blackmail

When Ari admitted to cheating on him he admitted he thought she was doing more and it turned him on. She now knows he likes to be cucked humiliated and lied to like she was doing before she confessed. so she goes back to doing exactly what she was doing for herself now with his blessing obviously she is not the perfect person but her cuck boyfriend likes her imperfection as it serves his fetish. If the MC had told her he felt bad thinking she was doing more they agreed then yes she would be breaking his trust but he didnt. Ofcourse this is not supposed to be a perfect married couples idea of swinging they are young kids that dont know what they are doing and somebody is gunna get hurt for real.

 

[dengl]

When Ari admitted to cheating on him he admitted he thought she was doing more and it turned him on. She now knows he likes to be cucked humiliated and lied to like she was doing before she confessed. so she goes back to doing exactly what she was doing for herself now with his blessing obviously she is not the perfect person but her cuck boyfriend likes her imperfection as it serves his fetish. If the MC had told her he felt bad thinking she was doing more they agreed then yes she would be breaking his trust but he didnt. Ofcourse this is not supposed to be a perfect married couples idea of swinging they are young kids that dont know what they are doing and somebody is gunna get hurt for real.

I understand your point and yea he is pretty much right about this current route isn't anywhere near the idea of "swinging" unless there are plans to bring in other girls to fool around with mc otherwise it is effectively a cuckold path.

To me personally I don't hate the story for where it's going more like a personal issue because of expectations when I play a game. Like when I play the pure ntr path I am expecting the girls to be fucked in every worst possible way. Then there is another ntr path where she don't feel bad in hiding stuff and started fucking the dads, this is where I kinda considered it to be the "cheating" path. Again I'm not saying I dislike it, it's the expectation from the when I get on the path.

Now back to the latest update, when Mal and Ari talks about MC fetish she did mention she is doing all of it for him and she can stop it right away if MC doesn't enjoy it anymore and just using Tyrone as an escort. It was all good writing until the point where she suddenly mentions how good of a lover Tyrone is and had the right to enjoy it. The first time I read those lines it gives a hint or somehow implying Ari starts developing feelings for him. This is my problem for it.

If Sieglinnde could reassure that Ari is definitely loyal to MC on that path even with all the things that she did then that's it. Just my mistake for interpreting wrongly and I can happily follow further to see how the story folds out I like this game though.
Again this is just because of my personal issue for expectations when I play games. If the story is gonna tell about a cheating slut abusing her boyfriend I have no problem going on with it too. It's just the vagueness that triggers me a bit.

 

[Griev]

I understand your point and yea he is pretty much right about this current route isn't anywhere near the idea of "swinging" unless there are plans to bring in other girls to fool around with mc otherwise it is effectively a cuckold path.

To me personally I don't hate the story for where it's going more like a personal issue because of expectations when I play a game. Like when I play the pure ntr path I am expecting the girls to be fucked in every worst possible way. Then there is another ntr path where she don't feel bad in hiding stuff and started fucking the dads, this is where I kinda considered it to be the "cheating" path. Again I'm not saying I dislike it, it's the expectation from the when I get on the path.

Now back to the latest update, when Mal and Ari talks about MC fetish she did mention she is doing all of it for him and she can stop it right away if MC doesn't enjoy it anymore and just using Tyrone as an escort. It was all good writing until the point where she suddenly mentions how good of a lover Tyrone is and had the right to enjoy it. The first time I read those lines it gives a hint or somehow implying Ari starts developing feelings for him. This is my problem for it.

If Sieglinnde could reassure that Ari is definitely loyal to MC on that path even with all the things that she did then that's it. Just my mistake for interpreting wrongly and I can happily follow further to see how the story folds out I like this game though.
Again this is just because of my personal issue for expectations when I play games. If the story is gonna tell about a cheating slut abusing her boyfriend I have no problem going on with it too. It's just the vagueness that triggers me a bit.

No No No!
You aren't interpreting things incorrectly. How you see things is simply how you are digesting the information given to you, and how you make sense of it.
Both I'll say this about Ari falling for Tyrone... this wasn't the first sign of it. The last 2 updates, she's been hinting at it. She admitted that he makes her feel better than she ever felt. She admitted that sex with him is the best sex ever. She also admitted that she's fallen in love with his cock. This was all prior to this latest update. So the convo with Mallory is just furthering the plot of Ari possibly falling for Tyrone over MC. Another thing she did to further this, was when she sent Tyrone a pic of her tits, to "hold him over until the next time she sees him" hinting at even more sex between the two. Then she immediately gaslights MC about taking the pic.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Not a fan of swinging games myself but the MC very clearly states he has a humiliation fetish its not just swinging Ari is just really good a giving him what he wantsdifferent.

But there's no intentionality, right? I mean she'd be acting the exact same whether he liked it or not on these paths, so to me this rings hollow to say this has anything to do with her caring about their relationship.

After all there's no reason to lie anymore, right?
Ok so the day after this, where the latest update begins, MC asks her what happened that night. She admits to blowing Tyrone and doesn't go further. Seeing that she wasn't going to elaborate MC asks her directly if she did anything else with Tyrone and she flatout said "No" then went on about how all they did was sleep in each other's arms, then she woke up the next morning and sucked his dick again.
There's no reason for this. No reason to lie, or with hold information at this point since MC is struggling to learn the ins and outs of his fetish. In fact, there's no reason for her to have sex with Tyrone at all, since it has 0 to do with MC's fetish at ALL. He doesn't see it, he doesn't hear about it and she never tells him about it so how is that apart of his fetish at all?
She could easily do exactly what she's telling him she's doing, sucking Tyrone off, and that be the end of her nights as she says when she's lying to MC. She could then tease him about it and its fine. Everything is out in the open and its actually a sharing/swinging route. But she doesn't do that. She fucks, a lot.. Doesn't tell him and lies about doing it when asked. That's not teasing my friend. That's not playing up to MC's fetish as there's nothing for him to fetishize when he's out of the loop as to it even happening.

A cynical answer: Yes, there is a reason for this. It's to sate the players who love the typical japanese ntr fare where the girlfriend's whoring it up and the bf's mostly unaware of the extent. This is a VERY common trope. So again, when you say "nothing for him to fetishize about"- you're right, but it's not for him, it's for the player, and this setup is a very common one for players to fetishize about.

This trope alone has changed so many games from what would be a sensible swinging or cuckold setup into bizarre tales of unaware bfs and off-camera sex. As if the idea of a girl lying to a boyfriend and doing something offscreen is more titillating than seeing them copulate in person.

it is effectively a cuckold path.

It's not even a cuckold path because that suggests there's some intentionality (in the fetish definition, not the pejorative) in her actions. This is just a cheating/ntr path.

 

[Griev]

When Ari admitted to cheating on him he admitted he thought she was doing more and it turned him on. She now knows he likes to be cucked humiliated and lied to like she was doing before she confessed. so she goes back to doing exactly what she was doing for herself now with his blessing obviously she is not the perfect person but her cuck boyfriend likes her imperfection as it serves his fetish. If the MC had told her he felt bad thinking she was doing more they agreed then yes she would be breaking his trust but he didnt. Ofcourse this is not supposed to be a perfect married couples idea of swinging they are young kids that dont know what they are doing and somebody is gunna get hurt for real.

Thanks for responding and sharing your opinion on how you see things.
Going by MCs words at the end of the last update he says directly that the not knowing actually causes him suffering. That seems to be the catalyst forcing him to press her to tell him what happens. He gets off on her actually TELLING him what she's done after she's done it. Every time she confesses something he gets hard, that's the kink. So her withholding everything serves zero purpose except for her.
Dev even says that his goal was to have the route where its a mix of Netorase and Netorare. So I'm guessing the telling MC things and him getting off is the Netarase part, and the lying/withholding information is the Netorare part. I'm only saying you can't have both in this situation as they are mutually exclusive if its done this way. It stops being Netorase the second she flat out lies.
I think the way you see it, is that nothing she does is wrong, and she's not lying because MC gets off to her withholding information.
But my understanding is that he experiences dueling emotions. The suffering and anxiety from the unknown, then the release and pleasure from finally learning what happened, As per his own words and actions. When she with holds information though he only gets the first, and never gets the second.

Man, Again I enjoy talking about this game. The discourse in this thread does prove one thing... the dev has done a fine job at getting readers invested into his characters and the overall story. I think that's the best praise a writer can get honestly.

 

[dengl]

It's not even a cuckold path because that suggests there's some intentionality (in the fetish definition, not the pejorative) in her actions. This is just a cheating/ntr path.

In comparison to the path where she withheld even more while fucking Tyrone's dad, I call that the cheating/ntr though. At this point the current path seems to be more to sharing/cuck, with my one and only rule is that Ari cannot develop feelings for Tyrone otherwise I can't go on with the path tbh.

 

[Sieglinnde]

the dev has done a fine job at getting readers invested into his characters and the overall story

That's why I usually don't want to pry about the reason why I did a certain scene, or how I consider certain behavior of the characters... Because I want to see how you all consider it (for example, what kind of person you consider Ariana to be, or MC depending on their actions) I have my own view about everyone, but being the developer I feel it wouldn't make much sense to say it, I prefer to see what conclusions you guys draw and I like to see how everyone has a different point of view

 

[dengl]

That's why I usually don't want to pry about the reason why I did a certain scene, or how I consider certain behavior of the characters... Because I want to see how you all consider it (for example, what kind of person you consider Ariana to be, or MC depending on their actions) I have my own view about everyone, but being the developer I feel it wouldn't make much sense to say it, I prefer to see what conclusions you guys draw and I like to see how everyone has a different point of view

So will you put my mind at ease so that I can rest this case?
Just wanted to know if you are intending to make Ari loyal to MC on that particular "swinging" path or is she starting to develop feelings for Ty.

 

[Sieglinnde]

Just wanted to know if you are intending to make Ari loyal to MC on that particular "swinging" path or is she starting to develop feelings for Ty.

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[dengl]

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Thank you. With that I can rest in pieces. Will be looking forward for your next update .

 

[jaden000]

Too many ppl whining in an NTR game. No surprise yet again. If it’s the other away around it’s praises all around

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

So will you put my mind at ease so that I can rest this case?
Just wanted to know if you are intending to make Ari loyal to MC on that particular "swinging" path or is she starting to develop feelings for Ty.

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[dengl]

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Let's have some faith and see what future brings. It's just chapter 2 right now anyway.

 

[jaden000]

The art style kinda reminds of the Good girl gone bad

 

[Sieglinnde]

The art style kinda reminds of the Good girl gone bad

Maybe you are referring to my other game "Living Together" (since Let the Nightshine in is made with 3d )

 

[JohnF95zone]

Maybe you are referring to my other game "Living Together" (since Let the Nightshine in is made with 3d )

For some reason, the thread banner ( at the top just under the 2 DAYS FOR ONLY $1 advertisement ) for this game is the same for Living Together game, which might contribute to the "confusion".

 

[Sieglinnde]

For some reason, the thread banner ( at the top just under the 2 DAYS FOR ONLY $1 advertisement ) for this game is the same for Living Together game, which might contribute to the "confusion".

I wanted to put that in all my projects that have a thread as a sign of identification, but I may change it for this game

 

[jaden000]

Maybe you are referring to my other game "Living Together" (since Let the Nightshine in is made with 3d )

yea lol I thought I was under that game thread

 

[jaden000]

Also, does this game not have a galley for viewing previous scenes?