VN Ren'Py Let the Nightshine In [v0.17 Ch. 2] [Sieglinnde]

[Kotobiki]

Just checked, and how curious that most of Johnny's posts I either give a positive reaction to or don't react to them. Weird for someone who facepalms everything he disagrees with. Same for most of Adamskas takes.

Says the person who throws out passive-aggressive oneliners like "I do not like this thus I will try to annoy (but pretend I am not trying to do so as obvious as it is) until something gives, even if all my points have been factually countered!" without any kind of further argument in the post.
You remind me very much of the type of "disscutants" who simply state they have facts, even if they are not facts at all and do not acknowledge the arguments the other side makes. Instead you request more arguments and facts, but only acknowledge the ones fitting in your point of view.

The fact you think i'm trying to be passive aggressive instead of direct just further proved my point of you lacking comprehension lol. You wrote a rant just to address nothing.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Clearly, we're not gonna see eye to eye. Shrug, enjoy the ntr fest I guess...

I will say it's odd to see Turret (and myself, but Im obviously biased) catching so much flak when in many other game threads he tends to be the restrained voice of reason - so something fairly unique to this game tends to to set him (and myself) off.

Clearly, Sieg isnt going to change his tack, so I guess the most productive thing to do would be to let it lay as is; but for any player outside this group that's be conversing who may read this wondering about game:

Do know that if you tend to like ntr games, you'll probably like this. If you tend to like vanilla games and avoid ntr games, it's possible you'll like this. If you tend to like sharing games and hate ntr (a very small subset of players), would strongly suggest avoiding.

 

[Sieglinnde]

I will say it's odd to see Turret (and myself, but Im obviously biased) catching so much flak when in many other game threads he tends to be the restrained voice of reason - so something fairly unique to this game tends to to set him (and myself) off.

From the beginning I considered turret to be right in the face of the ideas he said, too... As I always said I respect and understand the vision that each one has, some like that sharing content on the game, and others don't, I respect that and I always said that I would understand and take into account his vision... Even so, I thought that this attitude of "warning" another person to avoid the content that you didn't like in the game, trying to put his idea on the table... Even when the other person didn't say anything about it... And also that attitude of "those who like Sharing will end up leaving the game"... Those things are not cool... Because my main goal is that each person plays the game and draws his or her own conclusion or experience... I would be happy if they like it, but if they didn't like it then I openly accept what they didn't like and I seriously take it into account

 

[Turret]

Clearly, we're not gonna see eye to eye. Shrug, enjoy the ntr fest I guess...

I will say it's odd to see Turret (and myself, but Im obviously biased) catching so much flak when in many other game threads he tends to be the restrained voice of reason - so something fairly unique to this game tends to to set him (and myself) off.

The real reason we catch so much flak in this thread is because we two are among the mere handful of sharing fans still participating here in a sea of NTR lovers and some of Sieglinnde rabid defenders argue deliberately disingenuous and abuse differing levels of English between native speakers and those having English as a second language.

Just look how those either gloss over or not answer to several discussion topics, but are eager to open sideshows and constant low level tantalising! As an example, the preposterous "argument" why we do not participate in other threads more, an "argument" which has nothing to do with the game here, just made to generate white noise and it is esp. laughable being made at 2 members with nearly 6,000 posts combined.

From the beginning I considered turret to be right in the face of the ideas he said, too... As I always said I respect and understand the vision that each one has, some like that sharing content on the game, and others don't, I respect that and I always said that I would understand and take into account his vision... Even so, I thought that this attitude of "warning" another person to avoid the content that you didn't like in the game, trying to put his idea on the table... Even when the other person didn't say anything about it... And also that attitude of "those who like Sharing will end up leaving the game"... Those things are not cool... Because my main goal is that each person plays the game and draws his or her own conclusion or experience... I would be happy if they like it, but if they didn't like it then I openly accept what they didn't like and I seriously take it into account

Well, you most likely will not have to suffer my "not cool" presence in this thread much longer! As I mentioned before, I bide the next public version and decide then.
The only two things which, as Pr0GamerJohnny called it, set me off here are the (unsurprisingly) "Sharing in name only" path in the game and several of your defenders, who argue very dishonest and disingenuous.
I wrote it before and meant it that your game has several nicely made paths and the vanilla, "regular" one is partly very sweet and cute. I also stand by my statement that as a hobbywriter myself I will never tell you to change your vision of what to do. But I still reserve my right to voice my displeasure of being stabbed in the back by you with the "sharing path", since IMHO this path is nothing but NTR thinly disguised as sharing! I know that you will not change it, still I am honest in my judgement that I deeply loath this path, the characters depiction in it and how it is done as well as that the rest of LTNI has great potential.
I have never sugarcoated my statements about what is good or bad about a game.

As for "those who like Sharing will end up leaving the game" is not something I sucked out from my fingers, but something that partly already happened (Pr0GamerJohnny and I are among the last sharing fans participating in the thread and take a look at some reviews like the one from e.g. Adamska) and will happen in the future.
I am a regular visitor of the various Sharing/Swinging/Netorase threads on the board and know quite well what the members there like and dislike! One of the biggest pet peeves and dislikes there are games which have "sharing in name only" and "NTR by the backdoor", something LTNI most definitely fits. Anybody from these threads stumbling over and playing Nightshine will drop it like a hot potato because LTNI´s "sharing" path is a false flag label and starts about in the worst possible way for a sharing/swinging fan.

Bye and I wish you well with your game!

 

[Sieglinnde]

The real reason we catch so much flak in this thread is because we two are among the mere handful of sharing fans still participating here in a sea of NTR lovers and some of Sieglinnde rabid defenders argue deliberately disingenuous and abuse differing levels of English between native speakers and those having English as a second language.

Just look how those either gloss over or not answer to several discussion topics, but are eager to open sideshows and constant low level tantalising! As an example, the preposterous "argument" why we do not participate in other threads more, an "argument" which has nothing to do with the game here, just made to generate white noise and it is esp. laughable being made at 2 members with nearly 6,000 posts combined.

Well, you most likely will not have to suffer my "not cool" presence in this thread much longer! As I mentioned before, I bide the next public version and decide then.
The only two things which, as Pr0GamerJohnny called it, set me off here are the (unsurprisingly) "Sharing in name only" path in the game and several of your defenders, who argue very dishonest and disingenuous.
I wrote it before and meant it that your game has several nicely made paths and the vanilla, "regular" one is partly very sweet and cute. I also stand by my statement that as a hobbywriter myself I will never tell you to change your vision of what to do. But I still reserve my right to voice my displeasure of being stabbed in the back by you with the "sharing path", since IMHO this path is nothing but NTR thinly disguised as sharing! I know that you will not change it, still I am honest in my judgement that I deeply loath this path, the characters depiction in it and how it is done as well as that the rest of LTNI has great potential.
I have never sugarcoated my statements about what is good or bad about a game.

As for "those who like Sharing will end up leaving the game" is not something I sucked out from my fingers, but something that partly already happened (Pr0GamerJohnny and I are among the last sharing fans participating in the thread and take a look at some reviews like the one from e.g. Adamska) and will happen in the future.
I am a regular visitor of the various Sharing/Swinging/Netorase threads on the board and know quite well what the members there like and dislike! One of the biggest pet peeves and dislikes there are games which have "sharing in name only" and "NTR by the backdoor", something LTNI most definitely fits. Anybody from these threads stumbling over and playing Nightshine will drop it like a hot potato because LTNI´s "sharing" path is a false flag label and starts about in the worst possible way for a sharing/swinging fan.

Bye and I wish you well with your game!

I don't want to get into the issue of "defending" me because I personally don't consider it that way and I have nothing to do with it... But on the subject of them mentioning an argument that has nothing to do with the game... Are you seriously criticizing that behavior of theirs? Someone had come in asking about NTR routes and you in a direct way went and told him how much you dislike swinging routes... Something that had nothing to do with what that person asked! In an attempt to "slow him down" from playing those routes you didn't like and you seem to think that if someone else likes it then he is wrong... You criticize someone else's behavior when you behaved the same way

Well, you most likely will not have to suffer my "not cool" presence in this thread much longer! As I mentioned before, I bide the next public version and decide then.
The only two things which, as @Pr0GamerJohnny called it, set me off here are the (unsurprisingly) "Sharing in name only" path in the game and several of your defenders, who argue very dishonest and disingenuous.
I wrote it before and meant it that your game has several nicely made paths and the vanilla, "regular" one is partly very sweet and cute. I also stand by my statement that as a hobbywriter myself I will never tell you to change your vision of what to do. But I still reserve my right to voice my displeasure of being stabbed in the back by you with the "sharing path", since IMHO this path is nothing but NTR thinly disguised as sharing! I know that you will not change it, still I am honest in my judgement that I deeply loath this path, the characters depiction in it and how it is done as well as that the rest of LTNI has great potential.
I have never sugarcoated my statements about what is good or bad about a game.

Man, if you don't like how the game is going, I understand if you leave although I will never wish anyone to leave because I would like everyone to enjoy the game... And of course you still have the right to say how much you disliked that path... I never criticized you for that... The reason for my dislike is the point you got to in your dislike of that path, and that was the fact that you incited others not to try it or that it was poorly done or something like that... Letting your personal view come through and taking it as 100% fact and that if others felt differently, then they were wrong... That is what was not cool and what I commented to you earlier... Don't you think that's unfair, if you look at it from my position? Since I have always looked at it from yours and told you that I took everyone's opinions into account and that I understood your vision?

 

[Turret]

But on the subject of them mentioning an argument that has nothing to do with the game... Are you seriously criticizing that behavior of theirs? Someone had come in asking about NTR routes and you in a direct way went and told him how much you dislike swinging routes... Something that had nothing to do with what that person asked! In an attempt to "slow him down" from playing those routes you didn't like and you seem to think that if someone else likes it then he is wrong... You criticize someone else's behavior when you behaved the same way

and that was the fact that you incited others not to try it

Pardon me, but that is not what happened and you misread my position! Alone your view that I dislike swinging routes is completely off the mark. It should be very obvious by my posts that I am a fan of sharing/swinging routes. And it is the specific setup and direction of the "sharing in name only" route in LTNI which I loath so much.

I never(!) slowed the member in question, I think it was Volish of the cuff, down from playing your game. On the contrary, he asked if it is possible in Nightshine to play NTR without any swinging or sharing, he is obviously a NTR lover! And I answered him that he can most definitely play many NTR routes without swinging/sharing in it, because even the supposedly "sharing" route is simply NTR thinly disguised as sharing.
How my answer to an NTR lover that LTNI has many NTR routes, even the "sharing" route is NTR masquerading as sharing will stop him from playing you have to explain me! He will surely play it!

So shelve your completely wrong belief that I incited someone to not play your game!

 

[Kotobiki]

The projection is tragicomedic at this point.

 

[Sieglinnde]

Pardon me, but that is not what happened and you misread my position! Alone your view that I dislike swinging routes is completely off the mark. It should be very obvious by my posts that I am a fan of sharing/swinging routes. And it is the specific setup and direction of the "sharing in name only" route in LTNI which I loath so much.

I never(!) slowed the member in question, I think it was Volish of the cuff, down from playing your game. On the contrary, he asked if it is possible in Nightshine to play NTR without any swinging or sharing, he is obviously a NTR lover! And I answered him that he can most definitely play many NTR routes without swinging/sharing in it, because even the supposedly "sharing" route is simply NTR thinly disguised as sharing.
How my answer to an NTR lover that LTNI has many NTR routes, even the "sharing" route is NTR masquerading as sharing will stop him from playing you have to explain me! He will surely play it!

So shelve your completely wrong belief that I incited someone to not play your game!

You are right, I read it wrong... Or rather, I had misunderstood it. I apologize for the confusion I had

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[Griev]

Mason is slowly becoming my favorite male character. Idk what that says about me as a person BUT, the guy's got a pretty good thing going, and all it took was to get knocked out once!
Waiting to see if he gets his hands on Rose or Mallory next.

At the start of the sharing route I was hesitant and sorta resistant to how things were going, but I enjoy it a lot now that things have been cleared up. I appreciate the convos between the two MCs. Most games in the genre ignore adding more human elements to relationships like couples laying out their insecurities and working through issues like adults. By including the dialogue with the two MCs sitting down when Ari came clean to MC, and the convos that come after that where they are both attempting to learn how to navigate through their current situation, you've added weight to the story that's rare in the genre. You've created more human, flawed and believable characters that aren't perfect but are glued together by the love they have for one another.
She constantly asks if she's doing this all the right way and reassuring him that if there's anything he doesn't like she'd stop immediately. She's told Tyrone that if MC no longer enjoyed this, she'd drop him. They are simply a young couple, that got overwhelmed in the beginning but now have a firm grasp on a base understanding, but are still cautious as they continue to push the boundaries of MC's fetishes. Every time they try something new, Ariana talks to MC about it to make sure she didn't over step, and he reassures her. She always mentions how she's been studying up on the fetishes he's into and trying to put what she's learned into action. This is one of the few games where I don't skip most of the dialogue as this seems more like a character driven story, than a plot driven one. There's no wasted speech here. I support this product due to your ability to capture my attention with the characters more than the sex and this is a porn game!

 

[Kotobiki]

Mason is slowly becoming my favorite male character. Idk what that says about me as a person BUT, the guy's got a pretty good thing going, and all it took was to get knocked out once!
Waiting to see if he gets his hands on Rose or Mallory next.

At the start of the sharing route I was hesitant and sorta resistant to how things were going, but I enjoy it a lot now that things have been cleared up. I appreciate the convos between the two MCs. Most games in the genre ignore adding more human elements to relationships like couples laying out their insecurities and working through issues like adults. By including the dialogue with the two MCs sitting down when Ari came clean to MC, and the convos that come after that where they are both attempting to learn how to navigate through their current situation, you've added weight to the story that's rare in the genre. You've created more human, flawed and believable characters that aren't perfect but are glued together by the love they have for one another.
She constantly asks if she's doing this all the right way and reassuring him that if there's anything he doesn't like she'd stop immediately. She's told Tyrone that if MC no longer enjoyed this, she'd drop him. They are simply a young couple, that got overwhelmed in the beginning but now have a firm grasp on a base understanding, but are still cautious as they continue to push the boundaries of MC's fetishes. Every time they try something new, Ariana talks to MC about it to make sure she didn't over step, and he reassures her. She always mentions how she's been studying up on the fetishes he's into and trying to put what she's learned into action. This is one of the few games where I don't skip most of the dialogue as this seems more like a character driven story, than a plot driven one. There's no wasted speech here. I support this product due to your ability to capture my attention with the characters more than the sex and this is a porn game!

Yeah, that's similar to what I stated in my own review. The story is very character centric, making the characters humans, portraying themes rather than just being "ideals" made to fit a genre. And in this nuanced PoV of characterization, ironically the characters become more ideal for the themes the dev is trying to portray, than archetype ideals of the genre/themes managed. Ariana is one of my fave FMCs due to this.

P.S. If I was Mason i'd consider game 100% completed if I scored Ariana, Pamela and Rose, but i'm always down for some post-credits content, the more the merrier :<

 

[Griev]

Yeah, that's similar to what I stated in my own review. The story is very character centric, making the characters humans, portraying themes rather than just being "ideals" made to fit a genre. And in this nuanced PoV of characterization, ironically the characters become more ideal for the themes the dev is trying to portray, then archetype ideals of the genre/themes managed. Ariana is one of my fave FMCs due to this.

P.S. If I was Mason i'd consider game 100% completed if I scored Ariana, Pamela and Rose, but i'm always down for some post-credits content, the more the merrier :<

Yea. I disliked Ariana at first, but like a good ole fashioned soap opera, nuanced story telling and character building can turn a an initial impression around. I'm now drawn in and intrigued by the relationship more, because of that thin line between his fetish and her appetite. After speaking to the Dev and actually listening instead of trying to force my own ideas on him, I understood what he was trying to do with the story long term. He wasn't going for a traditional, by the number sharing story. He wanted to have a tiny bit of NTR looming in the background. Now that we've gone through the rough patch, I think the Dev can now have a field day with messing with our heads with that ever present fear of NTR possibly happening EVEN if Ariana remains faithful. You get a hint of this in the next update. He can tease us with it so hard now, but without the infidelity from earlier updates it wouldn't have been as impactful. So now I appreciate it for what it means going forward. There's a level of excitement present that I didn't know I wanted, until I got it.


Mason won't be happy until everyone that MC knows has been taken! If he ever finds out about ole Queen, its a wrap for her lol. This dude's revenge route is already good, I can only imagine where it's going to end lol.

 

[Adamska]

You should also give the players the alternate option to send Ariana and Tyrone to hell

MC + Mallory + Webcam ... all the ingredients are there for Ariana Revenge Lasagna, we just need Sieg to hook this MC up with a revenge route (and a spine)!

Late to reply to some older posts individually, but I did want to jump in to say that I'm still following LTNI despite my dislike for the forced NTR stuff. To some of the points about those choosing to spend time reading/posting here despite not liking certain aspects of the game, I think the responsiveness of Sieg gives us hope that maybe some future updates will add in content that we do like to see. A route, or scenes, with kinkiness but without despair (especially with Mallory, have I mentioned her?) It can be a new branch off vanilla or random side stories to write if he gets bored down the road or whatever - it doesn't have to change or take away from routes already there that people do love. All of us here have at least some investment in the LTNI story and characters, and for that I think Sieg has earned a tip of the hat. That's also why, though I agree with most of your takes in this thread Turret, I'm calling BS and think you might be around longer than you're hinting at as well!

 

[Turret]

MC + Mallory + Webcam ... all the ingredients are there for Ariana Revenge Lasagna, we just need Sieg to hook this MC up with a revenge route (and a spine)!

That sounds like fun! But considering the MC is mostly depicted as a dishrag, our hopes are likely in vain. Still it would be great to get a revenge route for this frakking disaster path!

I agree with most of your takes in this thread Turret, I'm calling BS and think you might be around longer than you're hinting at as well!

Thanks for your support! But my further participation hinges on the the next public update and it´s contents.

 

[randomguy6516265165]

so either NTR or sharing no "harem" or pure love route?

 

[atrebor68]

so either NTR or sharing no "harem" or pure love route?

Beatiful avatar, man.

 

[Sieglinnde]

so either NTR or sharing no "harem" or pure love route?

There is a pure love rute without NTR, but no harem (yet, at least). Each decision you make is marked in parentheses to which route it will take you, so it is impossible for you to get lost

 

[randomguy6516265165]

There is a pure love rute without NTR, but no harem (yet, at least). Each decision you make is marked in parentheses to which route it will take you, so it is impossible for you to get lost

thats fucking amazing

 

[Artist271]

There is a pure love rute without NTR, but no harem (yet, at least). Each decision you make is marked in parentheses to which route it will take you, so it is impossible for you to get lost

Good game, don't listen to people who warn others of your game development decisions and are being an ass in general on here. Those are just people who if you try to make happy, they'll only be flooding your game and making you feel that you have impossible standards to fulfill.

 

[SlapE]

I just wanna say something, Turret and Pr0GamerJohnny are pretty much right on the mark. I was going to give this game a try a long time ago, I wasn't even interested in trying the romance path since I know in these styles of games with ntr/sharing paths -- 90% of them kinda just leave the romance route behind somewhat.

Although I was interested in the Netorase path, because I enjoy that genre quite a lot, however after reading a few reviews and some of the messages here in the thread (and another thread)... it was quite clear that the Netorase path wouldn't be for me. (Therefore I didn't even bother downloading the game.)

Netorase games where the Wife/Girlfriend/Main LI, just turn out to be mega sluts that go behind their partner's back, and/or don't consider their partners feelings in this sort of relationship, and just take their own liberties and don't consider that their partner might not be okay with everything she's doing, just aren't for me. (Which is sounds like exactly what kind of Netorase path this is) It's seems more like an "open relationship", but one that the MC is unaware of, because he's just trying to have fun with the girl he loves by exploring this fetish with her, but she just doesn't respect him all that much, and does as she pleases. Most Netorase fans that I know, much prefer games where there's romance, trust, and communication that go along with their sharing/swinging relationship.

I'm not going to be downloading the game anytime soon, but just figured I would show up and tell you that, most Netorase fans (not all of course), aren't going to be very pleased with this game. Some of them, like me, probably won't even download it in the first place. Which makes me wonder why this path even exists in the first place. I've known many games with NTR paths and Romance/Faithful paths, that have absolutely NO sharing/swinging, and those games work just fine and aren't misleading in the slightest. (Usually) However, when a game tries to do all three (NTR/Swinging/Romance) all in one game, the sharing/swinging route needs to be able to standout by itself as it's own thing, and not just NTR-lite (basically NTR but with "consent"), that just devolves into the MC's partner becoming a mega slut who doesn't really respect him or his feelings.

The Swinging route needs to feel like actual swinging, and the MC and his partner need to have full trust and understanding of each others feelings and be able to communicate properly and not just act on impulse. When there's no true love between the two, then this lifestyle just won't work, I know it's a game, but it is a big turnoff for me when an LI goes behind the MC's back.

Now mind you, I've never actually played the game, so maybe I'm not entirely accurate here, and if I'm not, please correct me. From everything I have read/seen however, this is the impression I got when I was checking this game a while ago to see if it was worth the download. I tend to trust fellow Netorase enjoyers on this, which is why I got the impression to begin with.

Anyways, good luck with your game dev, I'm not saying your game is bad or that you suck as a developer just because your game isn't to my liking. I'm simply just trying to give my opinion on it all and explain why a lot of us Netorase/Swinging enjoyers won't really be interested in that path.

TL/DR - Game not my cuppa tea... if you wanna know why quit being lazy and read.