VN Ren'Py Let the Nightshine In [v0.18 Ch. 2] [Sieglinnde]

[Joshy92]

This is so sexy.

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I very much do Mallory.

 

[SlapE]

I just want to point out: y'all still wrong and using bastardized Murican version of netorase, the actual definition coined by the japanese often overlaps with NTR. Which is actually a constant complaint by Murican players of japanese NTRS novels since they almost always include NTR elements.
If you wanted just pure swinging/sharing, you should be looking for swinging games, not NTRS games.

When I use the term "NTS", I AM referring to swinging. However, so many idiots on here don't actually know what swinging is and think that it only refers to couple swapping. Therefore, I tend to just use the term NTS to not cause any confusion.

NTS IS SWINGING at the end of the day, just because there are some elements of NTR in a lot of the Japanese games/doujinshi, doesn't mean it's the case for all of them. I've played and read some that are pure swinging games, tagged as NTS. Japan is obsessed with NTR, which is why there's a lot of NTS>NTR games or NTR>NTS games, that feature elements of both. However, sometimes they do separate the two and go full NTS.

If everyone actually knew what swinging was, and not the misconception that they perceive it to be, I wouldn't even bother using the term NTS to be honest. The amount of times I've seen people see the swinging tag on a game that doesn't have couple swapping, and them being like "why does this game have the swinging tag, there's no swinging!", is absurd.

 

[kikomascado]

When I use the term "NTS", I AM referring to swinging. However, so many idiots on here don't actually know what swinging is and think that it only refers to couple swapping. Therefore, I tend to just use the term NTS to not cause any confusion.

NTS IS SWINGING at the end of the day, just because there are some elements of NTR in a lot of the Japanese games/doujinshi, doesn't mean it's the case for all of them. I've played and read some that are pure swinging games, tagged as NTS. Japan is obsessed with NTR, which is why there's a lot of NTS>NTR games or NTR>NTS games, that feature elements of both. However, sometimes they do separate the two and go full NTS.

If everyone actually knew what swinging was, and not the misconception that they perceive it to be, I wouldn't even bother using the term NTS to be honest. The amount of times I've seen people see the swinging tag on a game that doesn't have couple swapping, and them being like "why does this game have the swinging tag, there's no swinging!", is absurd.

I'm late to the party and I didn't read past replies, but I agree with this.
The only thing I don't fully agree is that NTS is swinging. I think it is a category of swinging, so that all netorase is swinging, but not the opposite, since for me netorase must have focus on how one partner gets off to the other one with another person.
But yeah, even thought the japanese created the term doesn't mean they'll always use it correctly.
I've seen netorase works tagged as netorare, netorare tagged as netorase, but that doesn't mean they are interchangeable.

 

[SlapE]

I'm late to the party and I didn't read past replies, but I agree with this.
The only thing I don't fully agree is that NTS is swinging. I think it is a category of swinging, so that all netorase is swinging, but not the opposite, since for me netorase must have focus on how one partner gets off to the other one with another person.
But yeah, even thought the japanese created the term doesn't mean they'll always use it correctly.
I've seen netorase works tagged as netorare, netorare tagged as netorase, but that doesn't mean they are interchangeable.

I agree with your sentiment, where NTS does have to be either a cuckold/cuckquean or a vixen/stag dynamic, where one partner derives pleasure from the other having sex with others. However, swinging literally just means consensual extramarital sex or partner sharing. Swinging is an umbrella term for all sharing of a romantic partner, spouse or otherwise, as long as it's consensual. Cuckolding, threesomes, swapping, orgies, gangbangs, etc., can all be considered swinging, as long as it involves romantic partners consensually indulging in said activities together. Even if one partner is only acting as a spectator. Therefore, NTS in it's purest form, is always swinging. It's when other elements such as NTR(Cheating) are introduced, that it can be considered something else.

 

[kikomascado]

I agree with your sentiment, where NTS does have to be either a cuckold/cuckquean or a vixen/stag dynamic, where one partner derives pleasure from the other having sex with others. However, swinging literally just means consensual extramarital sex or partner sharing. Swinging is an umbrella term for all sharing of a romantic partner, spouse or otherwise, as long as it's consensual. Cuckolding, threesomes, swapping, orgies, gangbangs, etc., can all be considered swinging, as long as it involves romantic partners consensually indulging in said activities together. Even if one partner is only acting as a spectator. Therefore, NTS in it's purest form, is always swinging. It's when other elements such as NTR(Cheating) are introduced, that it can be considered something else.

I know, but it can be different enough to have both swinging and netorase tags, but F95Zone still groups all netorase under the netorare tag, so it's a pain finding new games...

 

[SlapE]

I know, but it can be different enough to have both swinging and netorase tags, but F95Zone still groups all netorase under the netorare tag, so it's a pain finding new games...

Yeah, most devs just slap the netorare tag on NTS games and call it a day since there's no dedicated NTS tag. Even though they can just use the swinging tag which fits just fine. However, since a lot of people don't know what swinging actually is, then you get confused people complaining and asking a bunch of questions as to why the swinging tag is there. I feel sorry for some devs.

 

[Oliz82]

Hello.

Thanks for that last conversation. It helped me reduce the discomfort I felt from Sieglinnde previous answers.

As I stated many, many times... It's fine if you people have your considerations about the kinks in the game or you think that the characters are "this" or "that", i won't enter there because I want you to draw your own conclussions about the game in general... But that doesn't mean you can say "this is like that because I say so" and so on... You know? If you have a different view into the sharing I put in the game, keep it for yourself man, but don't try to state that your opinion is the one and only absolute truth... Because then you start to call me a liar just for your own personal interpretation of things... Why am I to blame for something you think that it's like that?

Why do I always have to repeat this to you man? Life would be so bleak if we all thought exactly the same about things... Because, starting from the fact that you say no one should like the kind of routes you claim are wrong... Then why are there still people telling me they enjoyed them? So, things only make sense if they fit within your perspective? That’s not fair at all, you know? And again, I understand that you see it that way, but why are you so, SO intent on preventing others from playing the game by saying all these things? You've made it VERY, VERY clear MANY times that you don’t like it, so why are you still here ONLY to say bad things about the things you didn’t enjoy? I tried to ignore messages from people like you, who think everything has to align with their thoughts, but you're showing such tiresome behavior... Can I kindly ask you to let people who play my game have their own opinions about it, instead of trying to proclaim what you think as 'objective'? I'm speaking to you like person to person, asking you to apply a little reasoning

By the way, you're doing a good job in making your games and explaining calmy the choices you made. It's really a great trait you have that many other dev don't. Discussing and reading your answers is always interesting.

Good continuation.

 

[TanyaC]

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Version: 0.18 Chapter 2

For those who like cuckold games, this one, like many others, is a tasty dish.

The downside here in my opinion is the animation, you have to use a mouse to click on the screen to see some very poor animation.

Not to mention the black screens with a world of writing with nothing to see.

I even tried to translate this but due to so many symbols that DV put in the sentences it gives constant errors, thank goodness you can click ignore and continue.

I've never seen and never understood why so many symbols are put in sentences like the ones below.

(~!) (*~") (...~")
It doesn't change anything in the sentences but for those who translate, every tilde is in the form of a % for percentage and this causes reading errors.

If it were a complete game it would be worth making the corrections, but for an unfinished game everything is very uncertain and correcting takes a lot of time.

Maybe one day I'll do it if I get to the end then I'll think about playing again.

 

[Kotobiki]

When I use the term "NTS", I AM referring to swinging. However, so many idiots on here don't actually know what swinging is and think that it only refers to couple swapping. Therefore, I tend to just use the term NTS to not cause any confusion.

NTS IS SWINGING at the end of the day, just because there are some elements of NTR in a lot of the Japanese games/doujinshi, doesn't mean it's the case for all of them. I've played and read some that are pure swinging games, tagged as NTS. Japan is obsessed with NTR, which is why there's a lot of NTS>NTR games or NTR>NTS games, that feature elements of both. However, sometimes they do separate the two and go full NTS.

If everyone actually knew what swinging was, and not the misconception that they perceive it to be, I wouldn't even bother using the term NTS to be honest. The amount of times I've seen people see the swinging tag on a game that doesn't have couple swapping, and them being like "why does this game have the swinging tag, there's no swinging!", is absurd.

Never said there can't be NTS without NTR, just said that people are wrong in how genres work when they claim NTR can't be present here. The tagging done by Sieg is technically correct, if people like how he's handling it or not and would prefer something that's pure NTS, Sharing, Swinging, etc with no NTR, that's completely up to them, everyone can have their preferences.

 

[Joshy92]

Personally I don't really pay attention to what the routes are called I just like the idea of Ari getting sexual satisfaction from another man and then coming home to me for emotional support.