Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.9.9] [Innoxia]

[dookie85]

What he's referring to spans a much greater length of time than the last update, friend.

I saw a bunch of player comments on the dev's blog complaining about delays, asking for roadmaps and timelines, etc. but all that seems trivial in grand scheme of things. A "development nightmare" appears to be a bit of an exaggeration, even if delays are common and deadlines aren't strictly kept. If you account for the fact that the dev is the one setting schedules and deadlines in the first place, then it's pretty much a non-issue, or at least a minor one.

Then again, I'm just a noob, so I don't know much about the development history. However, when someone says it's "a pity because it was a good game" in the past tense, as if it's already over; I have to assume you're being melodramatic when the blog and game have been updated only a month or two ago.

And as a sidenote, I'm sure all the pessimistic messages sent that way aren't an effective form of encouragement to change the project's management. If we're going to be hyperbolic with our rhetoric, I don't see how that would lead to positive change. It simply isn't persuasive in any case.

 

[e-disfunction]

Idk about that but i have discovered weird cloning this one item:
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when decided to remove "Seals onto wearer" by unenchant. So i have done that and next enchanted it again by anything else - i think it was enchant for reducing Corruption value. Than put this back on my MC and tried to remove it...
Aaand it cloned this Navel piercing into my MC inventory leaving it also on my MC wearing this at Navel slot.
It just duplicated to the inventory. I couldn't remove it by choosing to Unequip... So i have bought other type of Navel piercing - because couldn't remove it other than by replace action.
That has worked and it has replaced it, but... The effect of reduced Corruption haven't been removed on my MC.
I think something may be broken to that one Navel piercing.

I recall a problem about navel piercings reported at Github in the last few weeks. Make a quick check there to see if yours has been reported already.

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e-d

 

[crash.7ds]

I saw a bunch of player comments on the dev's blog complaining about delays, asking for roadmaps and timelines, etc. but all that seems trivial in grand scheme of things. A "development nightmare" appears to be a bit of an exaggeration, even if delays are common and deadlines aren't strictly kept. If you account for the fact that the dev is the one setting schedules and deadlines in the first place, then it's pretty much a non-issue, or at least a minor one.

Then again, I'm just a noob, so I don't know much about the development history. However, when someone says it's "a pity because it was a good game" in the past tense, as if it's already over; I have to assume you're being melodramatic when the blog and game have been updated only a month or two ago.

And as a sidenote, I'm sure all the pessimistic messages sent that way aren't an effective form of encouragement to change the project's management. If we're going to be hyperbolic with our rhetoric, I don't see how that would lead to positive change. It simply isn't persuasive in any case.

The complaints are not really unwarranted though. The historical delays have literally developed into a meme refered to just about everywhere the game is discussed. That's why people have suggested not giving such a specific release date until a release is closer to done...ignored. People have suggested improving sex mechanics and sex dialog given even named NPC's along with generic ones all sound and function identical, clone-like...ignored. People offered up numerous requests for adding more reasons to embrace the by now bloated list of transformations beyond them being purely aesthetic...ignored. I remember people even complaining about the dev spending months on an NPC few really cared about and how broken the NPC's content was even afterwards, instead of furthering main quest-line content...also ignored.

And, not to just single out the dev alone, I can't tell you how many times I've seen over the last couple years people immediately dismissing any criticism on the site as merely trolling or bitching for bitching sake, in some cases to the point of personal attacks, regardless of how genuine the criticism was. I don't really like to call people out for white knighting in all honesty, but some of the worst examples I've seen have been there.

Every once and a while I'll crack open a new release just to see the very same age-old issues unresolved despite the number of releases since my last attempt. Combat's still broken, sex is still copy-pasta mode (though thankfully there is a skip action), I haven't seen the main questline budge much in over a year, the engine STILL lags like it's an Inform7 game, and NPC's still...still, I'm not shitting you, STILL cannot go one second in sex without prioritize finger-fucking over penetrative sex even with the help of the fetish system. It's like everyone in the game is a virgin and has no clue how to fuck. Given the limited number of lines, I guess at least they are all consistently hopeless. I've honestly been struggling to find a reason to spend more than a peek at a time with LT and so far I really haven't had one for a long while. The last time I really sat down to play through and though was at least two years back.

 

[mordet]

crash.7ds Reported for being right.

 

[dookie85]

I've honestly been struggling to find a reason to spend more than a peek at a time with LT and so far I really haven't had one for a long while. The last time I really sat down to play through and though was at least two years back.

As someone new, who hasn't experienced all that yet, you shouldn't assume I'm whiteknighting for the dev, or anyone for that matter. I was genuinely confused about the doom and gloom, when the dev is clearly still updating, and a few months is not that bad, relatively speaking. Moreover, you shouldn't accuse me of being dismissive when you only gave a vague response at first, and the person I was replying to was being melodramatic without offering any concrete explanation either. Now, after you gave some decent examples, I finally understand what you guys were talking about.

Perhaps it's just the novelty of the game, but I haven't seen half the problems you're describing: You're right; the sex does get repetitive, but that's pretty much what I expect from a text RPG. I used to play MUDs back in the day where I couldn't even see the map and would run around in circles getting lost, so it's par for the course. I haven't noticed the fingering issue or any kind of lag, and the NPCs are fine so far.

The variation in body parts and types do seem excessive though, and I agree we don't need any more. It looks like this next update will eventually address the race and transformations issue in the future. I actually don't think we need "reasons" for embracing the "bloated list" of transformations. In fact, the current patch's problems are likely a result of people complaining about how the transformations are "purely aesthetic." In my opinion, requests to streamline races and making them more mechanically useful could easily be misinterpreted and potentially be contradictory.

Look, I'm not doubting that lingering issues exist, and of course I'm might run into problems later. However, you admitted you hadn't given this game a proper look in a long time, so you're probably not appreciating the last two years because it's frustrating that you didn't get the changes you wanted. It's possible I'd feel the same way after I play through, but I don't have the same hangups or attitude yet.

From my perspective, it doesn't make sense to assume the worst. If it does turn out badly, then I'll just move on. Everyone won't be similarly invested and thereby experience the same amount of frustration. There's lots of overly ambitious devs who try to do too much and wind up with very little--it is what it is. We always have to take whatever devs promise with a grain of salt. In any case, I'm not even sure that's what's happening here. It may simply be a disconnect in expectations.

 

[NODOGAN]

From 0.3.9.8 notes:
Added two new Enforcer characters and a new quest involving them, all of which has been designed by DSG. The start of this quest will randomly trigger in Dominion's street tiles under the following conditions: no arcane storm; main quest is past Brax's section; over 5 days have passed since completing the 'Angry Harpies' quest; time is 17:00-21:00.

Assuming all the above conditions were met, the event proc chance used to be 10%, but in 0.3.9.9 the chance was boosted to 50%.

Thankyou for the info, already completed the quest and got access to some sweet enforcer gear! thought curious now, what happens if you side with Ellie in this quest? do you get the metal enforcer gear or you fail it?

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

Thankyou for the info, already completed the quest and got access to some sweet enforcer gear! thought curious now, what happens if you side with Ellie in this quest? do you get the metal enforcer gear or you fail it?

The quest is fully mirrored as far as tangible rewards go but iirc the Wes route has more lewd options afterwards.

 

[caju]

In any case, I'm not even sure that's what's happening here. It may simply be a disconnect in expectations.

Allow me to make it simple:
Each update, most people hope for new content such as a new area or dungeon or even new enemies.

However, what they get is usually something like a new way to initiate ear sex, followed shortly by a fix that better explains the method used to calculate how many spinnerettes will fit into the ear before gaping the hole. Then, a new pair of locking earmuffs that protect against ear rape.

 

[dookie85]

However, what they get is usually something like a new way to initiate ear sex, followed shortly by a fix that better explains the method used to calculate how many spinnerettes will fit into the ear before gaping the hole. Then, a new pair of locking earmuffs that protect against ear rape.

hah, I already got the impression that something like that was going on, based on what the previous person posted and comments in the dev blog.

But, he also said:

People have suggested improving sex mechanics and sex dialog given even named NPC's along with generic ones all sound and function identical, clone-like...ignored.
People offered up numerous requests for adding more reasons to embrace the by now bloated list of transformations beyond them being purely aesthetic...ignored.

Can't you see how someone could easily misconstrue that to mean players wanted ear rape? Clearly, those suggestions and requests weren't actually ignored.

I get it... I already said I agree that body parts are excessive, but my previous point still stands. Without reiterating it all again, I still think it's a matter of perception and expectations.

For instance, I don't expect this dev to put out new content in the next month, and when the update is released, I'm expecting some shit I don't care about, which may or may not pan out in the future. Therefore, I'm not going to be very disappointed or assume the game is dead just yet.

 

[Aileh200]

I've just started this game and I'm getting pretty used to it, and I like it, it even fulfills the milk fetish I have with several different flavors. Well, I got to the part where Lysseth reveals about the true nature of the world and the capturing of the archangels but Samael tricked them into the mirror. Since I found out that Samael is still out there hiding from Lilith,

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I have the suspicion and theory that Samael is Ashley from the Dream Lover shop. I found out from previous posts that Ashley is a greater angel and found it as well in the game when I import them, so it may be the reason why they're hiding underneath a cloak and working as a mediocre shopkeeper? "But hey, that's just a theory. A game theory!"

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

I've just started this game and I'm getting pretty used to it, and I like it, it even fulfills the milk fetish I have with several different flavors. Well, I got to the part where Lysseth reveals about the true nature of the world and the capturing of the archangels but Samael tricked them into the mirror. Since I found out that Samael is still out there hiding from Lilith, I have the suspicion and theory that Samael is Ashley from the Dream Lover shop. I found out from previous posts that Ashley is a greater angel and found it as well in the game when I import them, so it may be the reason why they're hiding underneath a cloak and working as a mediocre shopkeeper? "But hey, that's just a theory. A game theory!"

Again, Ash is just an abandoned writing contribution and unlikely to hold any deep position in the plot.

 

[smkey21]

I was more or less going to say what Snek said in regards to Ashley.
For some perspective on release frequency, Innoxia usually ends up aiming to release a supporter update one week, then release the public build a week later. This plan pretty much never worked, but there was noticeable progress each month. When Innoxia had to leave Patreon the plan was to totally focus on all the unfinished Patreon rewards so as to not look dishonest. After all the Enforcer and Submission stuff was finished there was a chance that Innoxia would get into a slightly better development cycle. Instead every release is more delayed than the last, and every release requires a rework of one system or another.
The game's best bet is probably for Innoxia to focus heavily on story progression for quite a while, and only then worry about "side stuff" so that when a system needs a rework it can be balanced for the entire game rather than the first eighth(?) or so that all this reworking is accounting for right now.

 

[Golden_Buddy]

Allow me to make it simple:
Each update, most people hope for new content such as a new area or dungeon or even new enemies.

However, what they get is usually something like a new way to initiate ear sex, followed shortly by a fix that better explains the method used to calculate how many spinnerettes will fit into the ear before gaping the hole. Then, a new pair of locking earmuffs that protect against ear rape.

talk about a mind fuck

 

[güçlü çar]

Man, back in the days i really liked this game. But holy cow, almost nothing has been changed in the game since 2018. This version is almost the same as the version from 3 years ago, a couple quests added but thats it. I mean, i didnt pay any donations for creator but... just meh.

 

[NecatCerkez]

Allow me to make it simple:
Each update, most people hope for new content such as a new area or dungeon or even new enemies.

However, what they get is usually something like a new way to initiate ear sex, followed shortly by a fix that better explains the method used to calculate how many spinnerettes will fit into the ear before gaping the hole. Then, a new pair of locking earmuffs that protect against ear rape.

Can't be explained better.

 

[NODOGAN]

Anyone else having issues with the Milking Room only accepting 7 slaves at once instead of 8? it used to fit 8 in there in previous game versions.

Btw: trying out a build mainly centered on Teasing, the arcane stun gun only scales with range or does it scales with your seduction as well?

 

[anon707]

As someone new, who hasn't experienced all that yet, you shouldn't assume I'm whiteknighting for the dev, or anyone for that matter. I was genuinely confused about the doom and gloom, when the dev is clearly still updating, and a few months is not that bad, relatively speaking.

Im not sure if I can speak for other's frustration with the delays, but for me personally the frustration comes from that fact that the developer lied. I use to not mind the delays too much because I knew its not easy being a one person developer doing something. Very few can pull off a fully functioning and fun game and it usually takes sooooooo long to make because they have to do literally everything.

However, my defense for Inno has dropped when her excuse for removing a feature from the game was because it was a major source of the delays. Inno claimed that the companion system was setting her back on trying to get updates out in a timely manner so she dropped support for the feature. At first I was disappointed, but I knew that thats just game development, a lot of the time features get cut just to ensure a product gets finished. So fine, if removing this is whats going to speed things back up, do what you gotta do... except it didnt. My first assumption is that she lied about why she dropped this feature. I dont think it was slowing her down, I just think she didnt want to work with it anymore.

The people who've looked into the code of this game can easily see why Inno is having so much trouble, to say its a mess doesnt begin to explain it, and you could see why Inno is having to work on bug fixes (even though I think that shouldnt be her main concern right now unless its something game breaking an unplayable.) or even getting shit to work properly to begin with or implementing proper mod support. She has to know this, because she made the damn thing in the first place. But instead of owning up to that, she threw a feature under the bus.

There's only 3 plausiable reasons why these delays are so frequent.

1. Coding issues, as explained above.

2. Procrastination. Look, as a procrastinate myself (im procrastinating even writing this post), I get it. I get distracted easily. I put things off til the last second. Sometimes I get bored. A lot of times I put things off for way too long and I end up feeling the consequences. Though regardless of my understanding that pov, if this is an actual reason these delays are happening, at least own up to it, but it doesnt excuse her from her (legal) obligation. (Legal as in you cant take people's money by promising you'll make something, and then not do it.)

3. Real life issues getting in the way. Alright, its the holidays, and we're in the middle of lockdowns all over the place, there's gonna need to be adjustments to daily life especially around this time. There could also be a number of different things going on in her life right now. This is a completely legitimate excuse, and had she just said it (she doesnt need to go into detail, we're not that damn entitled), it would be the only defense she needs, but her life comes first before making a porn game where you can fuck slime centaurs.

3 would be a good enough excuse for me. 2 much less so. I can relate to it and respect her honesty if that was the case, but still be disappointed somewhat. I can at least sigh and shake my head at a lazy person. 1 is understandable, but tbf she did put herself in this situation and needs to own up to that. I honestly think if there's any better excuse for delays, it would be to take the time to unspaghettify her code, which is much more likely to speed things up afterwards.

But instead of any of those 3 reasons.... naw, it must because of this one feature... yet here we are, another 2 month delay. Havent heard any new excuses, but her old one is D.O.A.

 

[MSGTNP]

Im not sure if I can speak for other's frustration with the delays, but for me personally the frustration comes from that fact that the developer lied. I use to not mind the delays too much because I knew its not easy being a one person developer doing something. Very few can pull off a fully functioning and fun game and it usually takes sooooooo long to make because they have to do literally everything.

However, my defense for Inno has dropped when her excuse for removing a feature from the game was because it was a major source of the delays. Inno claimed that the companion system was setting her back on trying to get updates out in a timely manner so she dropped support for the feature. At first I was disappointed, but I knew that thats just game development, a lot of the time features get cut just to ensure a product gets finished. So fine, if removing this is whats going to speed things back up, do what you gotta do... except it didnt. My first assumption is that she lied about why she dropped this feature. I dont think it was slowing her down, I just think she didnt want to work with it anymore.

The people who've looked into the code of this game can easily see why Inno is having so much trouble, to say its a mess doesnt begin to explain it, and you could see why Inno is having to work on bug fixes (even though I think that shouldnt be her main concern right now unless its something game breaking an unplayable.) or even getting shit to work properly to begin with or implementing proper mod support. She has to know this, because she made the damn thing in the first place. But instead of owning up to that, she threw a feature under the bus.

There's only 3 plausiable reasons why these delays are so frequent.

1. Coding issues, as explained above.

2. Procrastination. Look, as a procrastinate myself (im procrastinating even writing this post), I get it. I get distracted easily. I put things off til the last second. Sometimes I get bored. A lot of times I put things off for way too long and I end up feeling the consequences. Though regardless of my understanding that pov, if this is an actual reason these delays are happening, at least own up to it, but it doesnt excuse her from her (legal) obligation. (Legal as in you cant take people's money by promising you'll make something, and then not do it.)

3. Real life issues getting in the way. Alright, its the holidays, and we're in the middle of lockdowns all over the place, there's gonna need to be adjustments to daily life especially around this time. There could also be a number of different things going on in her life right now. This is a completely legitimate excuse, and had she just said it (she doesnt need to go into detail, we're not that damn entitled), it would be the only defense she needs, but her life comes first before making a porn game where you can fuck slime centaurs.

3 would be a good enough excuse for me. 2 much less so. I can relate to it and respect her honesty if that was the case, but still be disappointed somewhat. I can at least sigh and shake my head at a lazy person. 1 is understandable, but tbf she did put herself in this situation and needs to own up to that. I honestly think if there's any better excuse for delays, it would be to take the time to unspaghettify her code, which is much more likely to speed things up afterwards.

But instead of any of those 3 reasons.... naw, it must because of this one feature... yet here we are, another 2 month delay. Havent heard any new excuses, but her old one is D.O.A.

So is the code like a tangled up spider web?......and how the hell do you even look at the code? Sounds like you need a developer build or something.

Back to the topic. Being someone whom runs a mild system, Hentai D&D/Pathfinder inspired RP essentially single handily, I can personally understand all three of your points from each side of the fence. On one hand, I understand the pain in being disappointed or being impatient on something and on the other side, I can feel the eye's glaring down on me to release a "content" update rather than just a "grammar" or "bug" update. If your just upfront and honest though, I've learned that most people are more forgiving and even helpful at times than If you remain silent or give vague answers. Making a promise and breaking said promise or removing something without a decent reason at the least is like the worst thing you can do. >_>
What I do doesn't require as much work or brain power as Inno got with Lilith's Throne but the concept itself still remains the same.

Orgasmic Level Drain is kind of self-explanatory. When your sex partner(s) orgasm, you gain your partner's experience of that level. If your partner was lvl 10, you will take the amount of xp that it takes to get from lvl 9 to lvl 10 from them. If it takes 100 xp to get from lvl 9 to lvl 10, they will lose 100 xp (reverting back to lvl 9), and you will gain 100 xp.




If I remember correctly, the skill tree is temporary, to the leveling system would also be reworked as well.

Holy shiz You were not kidding when you said Orgasmic Level Drain is OP. I got to three levels just from a single, five some in Submission with Imps..............How is that even in the game? >_>

 

[FireSauner0]

So is the code like a tangled up spider web?......and how the hell do you even look at the code? Sounds like you need a developer build or something.

One option is the GitHub, although, I'm not sure if it's updated frequently. Another option is downloading the official .jar versions and decompile them with a tool. (Java Decompiler is what I've used a few times to look into the code).

I don't know much about the code being a mess (never learned Java explicitly, so I don't know about good/bad practises), but even so, I always found the things I was looking for in there. (how a system works, what are the criteria for a scene, etc.)

 

[NODOGAN]

Wow...people wasn't kidding! Level Drain + Morph Difficulty is one hell of a power trip! specially if you do it against Succubuses, that's like 3 levels per fight!