Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.9.9] [Innoxia]

[tehlemon]

Really?
Well, that is even bigger shame then.
So you're saying he's just milking?


Damn...
Now i get why i was so quickly attacked lol hahahaha!
So, despite all this, people continue to pay him?


You mean, i should expect 200k badly written essays in this game?

The v0.4.0 was definitely a cash grab, yes.

And people definitely continue to pay her. She saw a big pay bump with the v0.4.0 release because it was so long anticipated, despite having cut literally *all* of the promised content for the version. We're only now getting some of it. Maybe in another couple versions we'll have the rest.

And yeah, Nyan's romance quest, which is a major feature/update for the game, is... bad. Like, really uniquely bad. Like, bad fanfiction levels of bad.

 

[Sarkath]

Yeah i'm new and yeah i began to suspect that something was up after being attacked over so little.

I think it was more that you came into this thread swinging at other devs. I respect that CoC2/TiTS aren't your thing, but that opening rant was a bit much, to be honest.

Really?
Well, that is even bigger shame then.
So you're saying he's just milking?

There are definitely issues with LT's design and how it's being developed. For example, a big part of the reason for the big 0.4.0 mess is because she spent a ton of time improving the engine rather than producing new content. That wouldn't be an issue, as the work definitely needed done, but the problem is that she kept making promises that she couldn't keep, and the delays piled up. I think 0.4.0 was delayed by something like 9 months.

Additionally, sometimes she'll deviate from established plans and implement things like, um…armpit sex. Yes, that's a thing that happened.

I don't really think she's out to scam anyone, and I believe that she means well (I mean, armpit sex is a really niche community request, but she did fulfill it ), but she definitely need to work on her communication and time management (say, setting aside X hours per week for tangential projects and/or engine work and padding out time estimates somewhat).

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

but that opening rant was a bit much, to be honest.

Don't see how but fuck it, i don't really care anymore.
Creating some drama fest here wasn't in my to do list.

kept making promises that she couldn't keep

Inexperience?

I think 0.4.0 was delayed by something like 9 months.

Well... err.. she? (It's a she? keep refering to the dev as he p_P") clearly could use some helpers.
Tried hiring some?

armpit sex

I think this one had been a thing in Japan lately. Weird stuff but some people are into it apparently lol.
Well, naturally. People are all perverts.

(say, setting aside X hours per week for tangential projects and/or engine work and padding out time estimates somewhat).

And hiring some extra hands maybe.
I could see potential radiating from this game the second i launched it, this game could definitely show it to both coc and tits.
I hope everything will work out for this dev.

 

[Porn Pleb]

is anyone having trouble starting combat encounters? whenever i try to fight the two slimes in the slime queens area the game just freezes. not like a crash because i can still go to the menu and reload.

 

[Dr.Feelgood]

And hiring some extra hands maybe.
I could see potential radiating from this game the second i launched it, this game could definitely show it to both coc and tits.
I hope everything will work out for this dev.

Might be misremembering this bit or just missed an update in a recent post, but despite AT LEAST 50% of the most additions to the game in the past several months, if not a whole year now, have came from the community and modders. The dev is vehemently against releasing any of their control (and most likely, profits) by working together with anyone.

Call me cynical or edgy all you like for saying this, but Innoxia had earned a reputation for this kind of stuff. Until they actually DO SOMETHING, because words and empty promises don't mean shit these days, to add some depth to the game instead of making the ankle deep experience any wider then I think its safe to say nothing meaningful will happen in the near future. I mean just look at some of the other single dev games on this site if you think I am being too harsh? Delays happen, but enough to persist throughout an entire year? That ain't a delay, whatever it is.

Have new fetishes and morph types been added? Yes. Has a new area been added? A proof of concept filled with placeholders has been, at the very least. Have the core systems that the dev has been promising to implement, fix, or otherwise do more than mention receive much attention? Nope. To make matters even worse, I'm fairly sure the modders on the game's discord have added more official content to the game in the past year or two than the dev has personally designed. The patch notes certainly imply this to be the case...

 

[Sarkath]

Inexperience?

I think so, yeah. I kinda get the impression that this is Inno's first major project.

That being said, the design is (as you can imagine) incredibly ambitious. I was kind of surprised at how much specific detail is tracked and saved for each character. It's mostly that the code that links it together is kind of rough, and the overall design is all over the place. LT seems modular enough to me that it looks like everything could be rewritten and fixed piecemeal, but it'll definitely take some effort.

Well... err.. she? (It's a she? keep refering to the dev as he p_P") clearly could use some helpers.
Tried hiring some?

As far as I know, Inno is a she. I haven't interacted with them directly.

She does accept public code contributions, which definitely helps. A while back I started working on some performance upgrades that looked pretty promising, but I kinda got sidetracked.

I don't believe she pays for any contributions, but I'm not sure she actually makes enough to at the moment. Developers are pretty expensive.

Well, naturally. People are all perverts.

I wouldn't have it any other way.

I could see potential radiating from this game the second i launched it, this game could definitely show it to both coc and tits.
I hope everything will work out for this dev.

Yep! Despite appearance, I don't think any of us here actually hate the game. It's more that we're bummed about the current circumstances.

The fact that fields content is being worked on is definitely a step in the right direction. Hopefully Inno keeps up that momentum.

 

[Carl0sDanger]

Anyways. Any1 could tell me how effective lust damage is in this game?
Are there skills/spells you could learn that deal lust damage?
I can't seem to decide what i should focus on, spell or lust damage.
Maybe some combo of the two is possible, haven't dug deep into the combat system yet, but it does look like doing some combos may be possible.

If you want a Lust Damage build, the general consensus seems to be that a magic-focused MC is the way to do it.

For starters, the damage from the Tease attacks is woeful. Pretty much the only time you'll probably use it is if you go wandering Dominion on your first night before the Arcane Storm ends. It just doesn't keep pace as you level up.

Not only do Arcane Strike and the spells from the Arcane school do more damage, but (last I checked, anyway) bonuses to Lust Damage and Spell Damage stack.

The bad news is that it takes two rounds minimum to take out any opponent with an Aura strong enough to cast spells using Lust Damage (you'll have to max out their Lust, at which point your Lust Damage will damage their Health and Aura next round), which includes all Demons. The only fight in the whole game where your ability to take opponents out quickly might possibly be an issue is against Demons.

That said, combat's easy as fuck in this game (the best combat tip is literally to just spam the basic weapon attack), so it's not like you have any real need to min-max the MC.

 

[Sphere42]

That said, combat's easy as fuck in this game (the best combat tip is literally to just spam the basic weapon attack), so it's not like you have any real need to min-max the MC.

While basic attack spam is the most efficient way to make it through combat there is another noteworthy approach with a different intent: Witch's Seal. With the Musician background and casting the seal on turn 1 as your only action it lasts 4 turns, way more than you need to regain all aura via Arcane Strike leaving you free to heal up, apply other effects and chain stun forever. Specifically you can fully strip people with Vacuum to grab extra gear from encounters you can't just loot normally afterwards. Arcane Strike also farms essences with the Sadist fetish in case the ability to buy those ever gets nerfed.

IIRC you also need to beat opponents via lust to have immediate "consensual" sex and stunlocking is the best option for anyone you can't facetank indefinitely. Especially demons who always take at least two rounds to defeat via lust as already mentioned.

 

[throbzombie]

I don't really think she's out to scam anyone

Maybe not initially, but come on now. Inno would have to be completely oblivious not to know what she's doing.

 

[tehlemon]

Maybe not initially, but come on now. Inno would have to be completely oblivious not to know what she's doing.

There's literally zero way that anyone could argue that the v0.4.0 release *wasn't* a cash grab to try and boost popularity.

Like, even in the internal notes it wasn't called v0.4.0 but another v0.3.x patch.

It might not have been a cash grab before, but it definitely is now.

 

[tehlemon]

New blog update. This is delay #6 since the last preview build, which was just about a month ago.

I'm really sorry about this, but getting this content finished has once again taken far longer than I expected. I've got all of the framework, placeholders, and mechanics completely done, but I haven't yet finished the associated content in Elis's Shopping Precinct. Getting that into a playable state is going to take at least another day, possibly more, so I'm not going to be able to get the preview release out tonight.


To show you that I've made progress on this new area, I've pushed my current build to github's dev branch, so if you wanted to read through the code I've been adding, you can see it here:

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(I'd advise against building it to play at the moment, as it likely contains several game-breaking bugs, which I'm going to be fixing for the preview update...)


For those of you who'd rather get the tl;dr version of what specifically I've been working on and what's been taking so much of my time, I'll put it at the end of this post (so those of you who want to avoid spoilers can skip over it).


So, anyway, I'm going to get this Elis content finished and linked to this new area over the next couple of days, and I'll get the preview out to you as soon as it's ready. I really am sorry for giving all these deadlines and then missing them. I just end up panicking a little and trying to rush when it's already taken me so long to get the next update released.


I'll make another post on Thursday night, hopefully with the preview release, but if not then at least with more information on what I've got done. Thank you all for your patience.


New Area Spoilers!

So for those of you who want to know what exactly it is I've been working on, I decided to add a side quest to the first Shopping Precinct NPC I started to add. This side quest involves retrieving a breast pump from the NPC's old workplace out in the Foloi Fields. This workplace is the new area which I've been adding, and takes the form of an industrial dairy farm.


Although I originally only intended this new area to be a quick stop where you'd retrieve the breast pump and then immediately head back to Elis, I started to feature creep it by adding an internal map and a unique NPC for the farm's owner. I then thought that players would want to see (and have sex with) the farm's employees, so I moved on to adding that. After that was done, I thought that it would be nice to work there as one of the cows being milked, so I added that, and then expanded the initial 'enter barn and get milked' into a promotional system which leads you through 3 barns. After that, I added a new (very easily avoidable) bad end at the end of this content. Then I felt like having just a generic receptionist being referred to but not existing as an interactable NPC was boring, so I went back and added a new NPC (and new 'donkey' subspecies), and then updated all of the references involving the nameless receptionist. Then I thought people would want multiple ways to have sex with this new NPC, so I went back and added support for that, and then after all of this was finally finished (tonight) I remembered that I hadn't yet finished the original Elis NPC quest content, so I couldn't get this preview released after all.


So, it was basically just a cascade of feature creeping, and now the farm which I've added has ended up with far more content than I originally intended (and a lot of writing to get done...). As mentioned above, I should be able to get the Elis content finished within a couple of days, and then I'll do some testing and get the preview out to you as soon as I can...

She's using the feature creep excuse. That's a risky move.

 

[Blackrockomega]

she does this after removing/disabling some features....wat.

 

[anubis1970]

So, it was basically just a cascade of feature creeping, and now the farm which I've added has ended up with far more content than I originally intended (and a lot of writing to get done...). As mentioned above, I should be able to get the Elis content finished within a couple of days, and then I'll do some testing and get the preview out to you as soon as I can...

And this right here, ladies and gentlemen, is why we can't have anything nice.

 

[aspar4gus]

Yep, i think i've finally reached the final stage of playing LT:

1. Denial: "i literally just tried this game a few days ago and it's so fucking good i drained my balls for 3 days nonstop, wtf are these bitter forum dwellers even talking about, this game is brilliant!!!"
and also "...huh? that's all for the new update? ...well i guess the dev need some time to rest, game-development is not easy after all, i hope the next update is released smoothly as promised"

2. Anger: "again??? but how?! why??!! how can she get away with this again?!"

3. Bargain: "maybe i should play other games while waiting for a more substantial update, instead of trying every new version i'll just skip 10-20 update and see what's new, with this method i think i can deceive myself into looking at major changes"

4. Depression: *1.5 year has passed* "huh... wasn't the story also ended here last time?"

5. Acceptance: "i'm just gonna read the thread with some popcorn while reading ppl who are still on stage 1 arguing against ppl who are on stage 2"

I'm 3 months old on my 5th stage and this is still relevant as ever

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

I'm 3 months old on my 5th stage and this is still relevant as ever

I think you need to add my stage:
"Play whatever is available, then move on onto the greener pastures."
After all, i am only on like page 18 out of 60+ pages in the trending section of this forum.

 

[PussyPassAnon]

He went through Stage 1-2 in one day and has rationalized himself into thinking he's not at Stage 3.

 

[tehlemon]

Is there a 6th stage where you're mostly just here for a laugh?

 

[Spectrons]

I just read the comments under the last update on SubscribeStar and I suddenly felt unwell.

 

[PussyPassAnon]

The same regurgitated babbling as usual. You get used to it after 2-3 years.

 

[throbzombie]

Yep, i think i've finally reached the final stage of playing LT:

1. Denial: "i literally just tried this game a few days ago and it's so fucking good i drained my balls for 3 days nonstop, wtf are these bitter forum dwellers even talking about, this game is brilliant!!!"
and also "...huh? that's all for the new update? ...well i guess the dev need some time to rest, game-development is not easy after all, i hope the next update is released smoothly as promised"

2. Anger: "again??? but how?! why??!! how can she get away with this again?!"

3. Bargain: "maybe i should play other games while waiting for a more substantial update, instead of trying every new version i'll just skip 10-20 update and see what's new, with this method i think i can deceive myself into looking at major changes"

4. Depression: *1.5 year has passed* "huh... wasn't the story also ended here last time?"

5. Acceptance: "i'm just gonna read the thread with some popcorn while reading ppl who are still on stage 1 arguing against ppl who are on stage 2"

Get outta my head, man.