Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.9.9] [Innoxia]

[hotaruchan1]

a quick question, is there any mod for or to increase group content cause it sucks that it got drop

you can turn on companions in the settings. and it says there that nothing is going to agknowledge them. Ino stoped writing in allowances for them. so you can have one that is just kinda there and never refrenced but that's about it

 

[BBGunna]

Some of us may be jaded but at the end of the day we still want the game to succeed. Her subscribers could have influenced her for the better, instead, they chose to ignore the problem, either due to ignorance or because they didn't want to besmirch their reputation and hurt the developer's feelings. Even now, you speak anything that isn't outright praise and you get told off, point in case was that Sub.Star comment where one person told her to get a team because she was overworked, and got called "rude and impatient" by the community. We were the first ones to point out that Inno's workflow wasn't sustainable and would lead to problems down the road, we warned about this years ago, but since we're the "salty malcontents" nobody cared...

Yup, been following this game for quite some time, since before subscribestar, back before comments on the blogspot were locked. I could tell from back then that LT was heading in a bad direction and while yeah the discourse was getting painfully toxic sometimes when I saw the response was to basically lockout blogspot in favor of a highly curated discrod I knew exactly where this game would be going. As you said, people rightly pointed out that she was taking out way too much work for one person and as updates started to take longer suggestions of hiring a team emegred and were prompty shut down.

There's no shame in admitting you need help or that a project has evolved past the scope of your own capabilities. I don't hate this game, even if its broken underveloped form there's still tons of potential and its still one of the better ones in its genre despite the flaws. It's just a shame that it feels more and more that this project seems doomed to eventual abonnement as Signs of Inno's clear burnout become more and more apparent each year...

 

[BlidBear]

I'm unable to run the .jar - Used command line and the main class can't be found for some reason.

 

[Shopopo]

I'm unable to run the .jar - Used command line and the main class can't be found for some reason.

I had this issue with the last version's jar. I think it's something to do with JavaFX. I recently updated both the JRE and JDK, and maybe that changed something? The .exe of the previous version worked for me, hopefully the new version of that gets added.

 

[Bernard Bernoulli]

Do you happen to have the exe version too? Thanks.

Sorry, no idea how to compile into an exe.

 

[Hongfire Survivor]

I'm unable to run the .jar - Used command line and the main class can't be found for some reason.

I had this issue with the last version's jar. I think it's something to do with JavaFX. I recently updated both the JRE and JDK, and maybe that changed something? The .exe of the previous version worked for me, hopefully the new version of that gets added.

Sorry, no idea how to compile into an exe.

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Opened the game, no obvious errors but would backup saves just in case.

 

[madchef]

It's usually because of what you mentioned, burnout.

Nah, that's not it. It's the everything sandwich syndrome that this and many other amateur porn games suffer from. What starts as just one, moderately interesting idea for a game soon grows into an overindulgent mess of fetishes stacked upon fetishes, an endless entanglement of incoherent sexy thoughts that, just like a pizza topped with spaghetti and stuffed inside a roasted chicken, is not as appetizing as all these same ingredients enjoyed separately. The devs themselves find their overgrown projects just too much and simply dread the thought of continuing work with something they perhaps once loved doing those 5 years ago but now unconsciously abhor. Yet, they simply cannot wrap it up due to financing model they've adopted, so it becomes this 25+ season of a soap opera that will never end as long as there is at least one new fan who is going to give this old chestnut a raving review.

Rarely you'll see a sex game dev here who'll make a short to medium-length game exploring just a couple of kinky scenarios, but deep and well, while providing an interesting gaming challenge instead of just clicking away and choosing the obvious answers. The game that will have a beginning, the middle and an end, even while still being WIP. Seems like most of them want to dethrone de Sade in this absurd pursuit of yet another perversity, however minute and tepid it might be, to be added to the catalogue of tags and the changelog litany. Despite this, the player sooner or later realises they're running in circles, in essence fooling around with either a text-based or a paperdoll-based sexyfied character creator, not that much different than what the guy next door is making.

 

[JoleenStar]

Changelog Simulator. Love reading them.

 

[Hongfire Survivor]

The devs themselves find their overgrown projects just too much and simply dread the thought of continuing work with something they perhaps once loved doing those 5 years ago but now unconsciously abhor.

That sounds like burnout to me, but the rest of your post is spot on.

Having burnout doesn't absolve them from not telling people "Hey folks, I think I/we've have taken on a little too much".

You don't need to include every kink under the sun. Stick to a couple that work well together and keep to your vision.

But as you said, Patreon and SubscribeStar put the pressure (and sometimes complacency) on to the dev/devs because they make money this month regardless of if they put anything meaningful out.

Sometimes I wonder if it would help to have adult game publishers around to curb some of this, since the Patreons don't hold the creators accountable (and the ones that do are ran off).

 

[IvoryOwl]

Sometimes I wonder if it would help to have adult game publishers around to curb some of this, since the Patreons don't hold the creators accountable (and the ones that do are ran off).

Sometimes I wonder if it would help to have adult game publishers around to curb some of this, since the Patreons don't hold the creators accountable (and the ones that do are ran off).

Patreon is one of the best and worst inventions for content creators. It works great when the creator has a good head on their shoulders and knows their limitations, otherwise it just perpetuates bad habits as they will be paid regardless of results. The porn industry in particular is a great crowd to take advantage of, as they think less with their heads and more with their genitals.

The West is still very conservative towards sex and the porn industry. We have big corporations (and their investors) making pushes to make most things "family-friendly" as that's where the big money is - YouTube and Patreon come to mind. So long as things remain as they are, we are going to have to rely on crowdfunding to support a chunk of the indie industry. People need to change their mindset regarding these platforms - they are business, first and foremost, and should be treated as such.

Patreons need to understand that the whole "benevolent donator" mentality isn't always beneficial and sometimes you need to be a "shrewd investor" to prod creators a little in the right direction. One of the problems with Patreon is that it is a lot easier to just cancel your subscription and leave than it is to deal with a white-knight community. The dev could just as easily tell you off too, since a few "upset" people are rarely worth the hassle and they probably make enough money that they don't care about you leaving...

The only lone individuals that can cause waves are usually other content creators with a sizeable following (i.e, streamers, YTubers) and those don't review or play porn games with their audiences watching, nor do they talk about it on social media. At least I never found one who did.

So long as the majority keep supporting bad practices, things aren't liable to change...

 

[BeholdTheWizzard]

This person claims to work 6-7 days a week 12 hours a day? Absolute, grade-A bullshit. Unless you consider "work" sitting at your computer browsing Reddit. Seriously, working for 4 hours a day 4 days a week should produce more results than this.

As someone who is making his own game (3, actually), I can confirm this.
I have my regular work, and I spend much of my free time procastrinating and fapping, but still manage to make more progress a month with 1-2 hours of work a day than Inno in a year.

 

[StratoSquir]

Tentacles are currently only supported to be octopus' legs, they can't just sprout out of your body and whip people's ass like Doctor Octopus. If you're still willing to have them, buy Shrimp Cocktail (octopus' food item), enchant Legs > Transformative I (to get octo legs) then Legs > Cephalopod body to get dem tentacles.

yeah, we definitely need some tentacles that dosn't need a cephalopod body-type.
i mean, i'm fine with the cephalopod for now, but when i saw "dayum i can have tentacles",
i was thinking about looking more like a Mechanicus-Adeptus than a Eldritch-Abomination

 

[IvoryOwl]

[...]Tentacles [...] Eldritch-Abomination

I'd be all over that in a heartbeat! ❤
Alas, I don't think we're going to see anything of the sort any time soon, or at all. I just don't see how it would be plausible to fit abyss creatures in the lore but I would be pleasantly surprised if they got in. If nothing else, we can expect a modder to add them.

PS: I mean, if push comes to shove, you could maybe use add a little elbow grease to the ol' noggin and imagine a slime-octopus as something along those lines.

 

[StratoSquir]

I'd be all over that in a heartbeat! ❤
Alas, I don't think we're going to see anything of the sort any time soon, or at all. I just don't see how it would be plausible to fit abyss creatures in the lore but I would be pleasantly surprised if they got in. If nothing else, we can expect a modder to add them.

PS: I mean, if push comes to shove, you could maybe use add a little elbow grease to the ol' noggin and imagine the slimes as something along those lines.

that's... not what i said at-all...
i said you could already kinda make one, just get the cephalopod lower-body, and get somes fish transformations here and there

what i said is that i wanted tentacles that dosn't require a lower-body,
like spiderman's character "Doc-Octo" tentacles, or "Macanicus-Adeptus" types tentacles
(ones that sprout from the back/shoulder)

 

[IvoryOwl]

that's... not what i said at-all...
i said you could already kinda make one, just get the cephalopod lower-body, and get somes fish transformations here and there

what i said is that i wanted tentacles that dosn't require a lower-body,
like spiderman's character "Doc-Octo" tentacles, or "Macanicus-Adeptus" types tentacles
(ones that sprout from the back/shoulder)

Oops. I misunderstood what you meant.
I'd be fine with back/shoulder tentacles though.

 

[StratoSquir]

Oops. I misunderstood what you meant.
I'd be fine with back/shoulder tentacles though.

for now i'm satisfied with playing as a Eldritch-abomination,
got them tentacles legs, 2 sets of snakes eyes, a snake-tongue, a pair of antlers, two set of arms, and scaly-wings x)

 

[KibaLarnia]

I haven't played the Story to much. I've set my tf Options in the Settings and enjoyed running around in Alleyways and running into my favorite Kind of Foe, just to ... geting forced to drink tf Potions & Kink Potions... Until One Point, when i felt like there is nothing more...

Is there actualy some Plot that forces the MC to do nasty Stuff or get transformed, getting any Kind of Fetish or get into Prostitution?


Everything seemed pretty self choosen... but what i miss, is lack of beeing suggested into doing certain things, choices i rather wouldn't wanted to do. As if the devil would try to sweettalk an unwillingful Victim of Circumstances to be a little bit more willingful... and run into a Domino effect of nasty choices.

 

[tehlemon]

Is there actualy some Plot that forces the MC to do nasty Stuff or get transformed, getting any Kind of Fetish or get into Prostitution?

Nope. Not at all.

Everything seemed pretty self choosen... but what i miss, is lack of beeing suggested into doing certain things, choices i rather wouldn't wanted to do. As if the devil would try to sweettalk an unwillingful Victim of Circumstances to be a little bit more willingful... and run into a Domino effect of nasty choices.

You won't find that here, sorry. In fact, the closest thing you get to a devil is the one convincing you to do good things... weird huh? But even then, not really.

 

[souldead341]

I haven't played the Story to much. I've set my tf Options in the Settings and enjoyed running around in Alleyways and running into my favorite Kind of Foe, just to ... geting forced to drink tf Potions & Kink Potions... Until One Point, when i felt like there is nothing more...

Is there actualy some Plot that forces the MC to do nasty Stuff or get transformed, getting any Kind of Fetish or get into Prostitution?


Everything seemed pretty self choosen... but what i miss, is lack of beeing suggested into doing certain things, choices i rather wouldn't wanted to do. As if the devil would try to sweettalk an unwillingful Victim of Circumstances to be a little bit more willingful... and run into a Domino effect of nasty choices.

Kind of, been a while since I played what of the story there is. There's scene where an item tries to force your gender preferences to change. There's also loss TF / kink scenes (which you can disable) that force the player to conform to whatever beat them's preferences. Those are against the standard enemies you fight (the one's you've been transforming).

 

[madchef]

The West is still very conservative towards sex and the porn industry.

I strongly disagree with that. Quite the contrary, the West still is the most sex-positive and porn-industrious part of the world. Modern porn was actually invented in the West and the West is still pushing the envelope of what is morally and legally acceptable when it comes to socio-sexual mores. After all, SubscribeStar is based in USA and the creator of this game openly admits they are making a lot basically writing smut, more than I am in my wholesome boring office job. Prostitution and pornography in the West is now becoming sex work. I don't think any other part of the world has commodified intimacy and sexual desires as profoundly as the West. Which creates issues of its own, if we're being honest with ourselves.

The core of the problem regarding amateur porn game creators using subscription-style financial model, instead of selling the finished product at least in part stems from the paradigm shift in computer software use/ownership. Monthly subscription instead of once-off payment is now the norm, whether it's an office application or a non-porn game. There is also this vast area of nominally free online services and porn as a whole (not just games, but also literature, graphic art and audiovisual performances featuring live performers) occupies this awkward space between paid and nominally free. As most porn users usually don't pay for their online porn, those who do sooner or later develop this entitled attitude of a paying customer and, as is often the case in amateur gaming industry (which the other participants in this discussion noticed), developers become commissioned artists, or - to use a more drastic metaphor - sex workers who cater to their client's, not their own, desires. In result, the end product can often be a half-hearted, insincere pursuit of cheap thrills that the author in their heart of hearts does not feel nor obsess about - they will add this or that just because it is now in vogue.

You may find me weird, but apart from having my own kinks and preferences, the thing I find most exciting not just in porn, but in exchange of sexual ideas of other people (and pornography, from the consumer's point of view, is in essence just that - absorption of sexual thoughts that were conceived in someone else's mind) is those other people's obsessions so consummate, yet sincere and articulate enough that they can seduce and corrupt me, even though I have never even entertained this or that idea. Alas, a lot of lewd game devs are not that proficient pornographers (compared to even amateur porn writers) and they run out of their own steam too fast, in effect drifting on their fans and supporters suggestions, while needlessly deluding themselves that their project will be such an opus magnum of porn gaming that it will take at least 5 years to complete.