Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.9.9] [Innoxia]

[chichong]

1-3) Humans have the worst stats in game. Races can get stupid overpowered. Dragons/Alitaurs specifically.
Stat progression is borked. You hit the difficulty plateau, hypothetically a Dragon could ruin you... if they naturally spawned.
Hard caps are hard capped. Editing XML files would be cheating.
4) Enforcers are protected from post battle robbing. The upgraded Vortex can strip them and you can loot their clothes (not weapons) from the ground. Supposedly the RNG based Christmas Presents can contain the Steal Skill book.
5 and 7) Tossed on the TBD pile with properties. The spaghetti code makes mapping exponentially harder than it should be.
6) Angel is an abandoned commission from years back. Her content is now entirely AceXP mods baked in. She, like the Romance store clerk were part of abandoned plotlines.
8) Fence is in the Submission Casino.

9-11) This is where all the game math ended up, and where it goes to die. Inno is paid extra to highlight specific fetishes, even if it drags/bloats/damages the system as a whole.
Its not optimized, its not supported, it breaks a lot of other systems. She adds things for a cheap paycheck then abandons them. Someday modders might streamline this system, but until then its a general mess of arbitrary math and constant clicking.

Thank you for taking the time to answer. Can't say I'm thrilled of what I've learned.

It appears all the depth and detail in this game it's just on surface. Once you try to dig deeper you hit hard rock.
Eh, I would've expected more judging by it's age.

I'll keep playing to see where story-line leads me.


Later edit. Question. I'm not exactly a fan of bestiality / inter-species sex. (That's why my character only partner is that Angel girl - and that's why character is still a virgin). Turning furries off from options only affected randomly generated NPCs - story characters are still half-animals. That being said, my only option to enjoy the lewd part of the game is Angel or human slaves?

 

[Aazkaal]

Turning furries off from options only affected randomly generated NPCs - story characters are still half-animals. That being said, my only option to enjoy the lewd part of the game is Angel or human slaves?

Yes, though you can find occasional demon partners (some of whom are also furry); the game is mainly furry-themed, and is actually made by a furry. If you wish to avoid furry, you would be severely limited in what content you can play. By the way, the bestiality isn't in the game yet, despite the toggle for it being available: the game still has no way to make someone feral legitimately or even through debug menu.

As for fetishes, the bonus lust damage from them isn't that big to be afraid to take them; they have stronger effect on sex scenes, where they affects the speed of lust accumulation, slightly alters some dialogues (as is everything in the game, this feature is underused), and allows to avoid gaining corruption if it bothers you (or allows to bypass corruption requirement if you set it on). So, basically, pick whatever you want, you're unlikely to lose a battle because you picked something wrong; nor you're gonna win because you picked something "right": the combat is beyond broken.

 

[ebonheart2319]

Question. I'm not exactly a fan of bestiality / inter-species sex. (That's why my character only partner is that Angel girl - and that's why character is still a virgin). Turning furries off from options only affected randomly generated NPCs - story characters are still half-animals. That being said, my only option to enjoy the lewd part of the game is Angel or human slaves?

Wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle. And getting wider each update.

As you found, the magnitude toggles can shift the descriptions of RNG Generated Npcs down to standard anime catgirl levels of furry.
But special NPCs are treated/described as Inno "intended". She has yet to explain if this is due to older NPCs and Races being tangled in the engine rather than XML files or if she is just being a little dictator.

Angels, Humans, and Demon races are, as of 4.3, still locked in the spaghetti code rather than the XML files like the rest of the races.

Slaves and Tenets can be fed potions to be human. And Helen can make custom order slaves. That's about as good as it gets.

 

[sneezy_of_tie]

1-3) Humans have the worst stats in game. Races can get stupid overpowered. Dragons/Alitaurs specifically.
Stat progression is borked. You hit the difficulty plateau, hypothetically a Dragon could ruin you... if they naturally spawned.
Hard caps are hard capped. Editing XML files would be cheating.

It takes a bit but if you know what you are doing, you can run Lilith difficulty and not lose a single fight as human.
The first trick is knowing that you do not need to get into a fight to unlock aura. Then it is a bunch of days grinding potions, money is power in this game . Money allows you to stock up on temporary effects through potions (since you'll go through a lot of em and generally they are essence heavy to get as many of the stats to the potion cap bonus) and more permanent effects through enchantments (If playing with the enchantment limit I recommend raw stats first, the more specialized). And finally an elemental is the best meatshield there is, keep it alive and unless the enemy is throwing around AoE lust effects you'll won't even have to use those calming potions.

That said the game has had little progress from the first time I've ran across it. The most important things would have been the enchantment and potion balancing. Other then that there have been a few side quest. It has taken a year or more for the next town to be accessible and get some content. Part of that is Inno getting writers block, part of it the dread of having to face the commentators/followers after yet another update and having to explain why not everything got in there and a major part is what you described with Innoxia being pushed around by the demands others make.

 

[BeholdTheWizzard]

Later edit. Question. I'm not exactly a fan of bestiality / inter-species sex. (That's why my character only partner is that Angel girl - and that's why character is still a virgin). Turning furries off from options only affected randomly generated NPCs - story characters are still half-animals. That being said, my only option to enjoy the lewd part of the game is Angel or human slaves?

Do what I did - edit the save. All characters are in there and you can do whatever you want. Change body parts (including genticals), fetishes, etc..
I basically de-furrified story characters.

 

[chichong]

Do what I did - edit the save. All characters are in there and you can do whatever you want. Change body parts (including genticals), fetishes, etc..
I basically de-furrified story characters.

Hey, that's an excellent idea.

... However, it seems to be a lot of work.
Lol, it took me 2-3 hours only to find (and chose - because I'm a very picky moron) images for my character and her companion(s). Changing all those horrid pics from \res\images\characters with others reflecting the changes made in .xml save - that's a full weekend chore. And cropping low res jpgs took from deviantart for 12-16 hours it's not quite my idea of "fun". (That is, without counting the .xml editing as well.)


Thank you for sharing tho. If I ever do this on a level better than "for personal use" I'll share the images and a save at day 1 level 1. But after reading previous comments about general attitude regarding "defurrification" I suspect this would upset a lot of... uhm... "people".

 

[tehlemon]

Hey, that's an excellent idea.

... However, it seems to be a lot of work.
Lol, it took me 2-3 hours only to find (and chose - because I'm a very picky moron) images for my character and her companion(s). Changing all those horrid pics from \res\images\characters with others reflecting the changes made in .xml save - that's a full weekend chore. And cropping low res jpgs took from deviantart for 12-16 hours it's not quite my idea of "fun". (That is, without counting the .xml editing as well.)


Thank you for sharing tho. If I ever do this on a level better than "for personal use" I'll share the images and a save at day 1 level 1. But after reading previous comments about general attitude regarding "defurrification" I suspect this would upset a lot of... uhm... "people".

Most of us wouldn't give a shit as long as you're not coming in swinging and trying to be insulting. The whole anti-furry thing was played out in 2005. If you don't like it, that's cool. Just don't be a dick about it.

That said, I personally wouldn't bother. Pretty much all this game has going for it at this point is the character customization. And if you take 90% of that out, you're left with a really shallow game with shitty combat, progression, and barely any story. And none of the underlying mechanics will make a lick of sense with a purely human setting lol

 

[IvoryOwl]

Thank you for taking the time to answer. Can't say I'm thrilled of what I've learned.

It appears all the depth and detail in this game it's just on surface. Once you try to dig deeper you hit hard rock.
Eh, I would've expected more judging by it's age.

I'll keep playing to see where story-line leads me.


Later edit. Question. I'm not exactly a fan of bestiality / inter-species sex. (That's why my character only partner is that Angel girl - and that's why character is still a virgin). Turning furries off from options only affected randomly generated NPCs - story characters are still half-animals. That being said, my only option to enjoy the lewd part of the game is Angel or human slaves?

Lilith's Throne is a game that caters primarily to furries, the human-only option was added as an afterthought to please those who do not like anthros. One of the recurring problems with this game is that it tries to do many things at once and please as many crowds as it can, but being spread so thin means it falls short of everything and fails to please anyone. Most features and mechanics are only half-baked and lack depth, and this is another one of those examples.

As you've realized by now, the options only affect random NPCs by design*1, some of the (non-human) static NPCs have major roles in the story and lore of the world and it wouldn't make much sense for them to humans (humans in this world have the second worst place in the social hierarchy, being only marginally better and more important than imps, which are at bottom). Lilaya, your aunt, is only able to kickstart your adventure because of her predicament, which is attached to her race (and status) as a half-demon.

While some people may argue that the story doesn't matter and gameplay should always come first, this is yet another unfortunate byproduct of a game spread in every direction. When this projected started, Inno intended for it to be an RPG but as time went on more focus was placed on sandbox-y elements... now the community is split on it.

What all of this effectively means however, is that you're strapped for choices if you don't like furries.


*1 (I believe it states somewhere the dev plans to change this further down the line... when, we don't know. I wouldn't hold my breath on it.)

 

[chichong]

Lilith's Throne is a game that caters primarily to furries, the human-only option was added as an afterthought to please those who do not like anthros. One of the recurring problems with this game is that it tries to do many things at once and please as many crowds as it can, but being spread so thin means it falls short of everything and fails to please anyone. Most features and mechanics are only half-baked and lack depth, and this is another one of those examples.

As you've realized by now, the options only affect random NPCs by design*1, some of the (non-human) static NPCs have major roles in the story and lore of the world and it wouldn't make much sense for them to humans (humans in this world have the second worst place in the social hierarchy, being only marginally better and more important than imps, which are at bottom). Lilaya, your aunt, is only able to kickstart your adventure because of her predicament, which is attached to her race (and status) as a half-demon.

While some people may argue that the story doesn't matter and gameplay should always come first, this is yet another unfortunate byproduct of a game spread in every direction. When this projected started, Inno intended for it to be an RPG but as time went on more focus was placed on sandbox-y elements... now the community is split on it.

What all of this effectively means however, is that you're strapped for choices if you don't like furries.

*1 (I believe it states somewhere the dev plans to change this further down the line... when, we don't know. I wouldn't hold my breath on it.)

I very much like the sandbox element, but once you hit level 50, max stats for you and your summon all that's left is the story. The combat loses its *already thin* appeal very quickly when there is nothing to gain from it.

In total I think I spent about 12-14 hours in this game. Right now I'm at the point where I collected all 3 keys, so I assume I'm about to end the main story - and probably the game. Most interesting combat so far was the chain-combat with Vengar and it's team. Ended it with 126 out of 1000 hp lol. After that I took the regen perk

It's not that "I don't like furries". Just as I don't like games where the dev(s) insert unavoidable rape scenes, I don't like to see a character I grow and develop having sex with half-humans. (I'd like you to notice that I chose my wording very careful here in order to avoid insulting other forum members). I also dislike pairing with orcs, imps, goblins, demons.... pretty much anything non-human. Just because it speaks doesn't mean you should sleep with it. And before you ask - yes - even fairies or elves to some degree. It's a VERY good thing it's avoidable here.

There is at the bottom of content options / furry preference screen a note from dev stating that those options only affect randomly generated NPC's for now but "will do his best to add reduced furry version of each major NPC as well". I have a feeling it's not something I should hope for.

What I'm trying to say here - if the game would be modable - that lack of depth would quickly become a thing of the past. There are already spells and firearms and crossbows and Molotovs and shields and sniper rifles. Organizing this mix on ages or on areas, giving each area a personality and a theme - along with specific inhabitants for those areas - would turn an above average game into something great, something I'd be happy to contribute monetary or help in modding / development.

Bleah, I'm ranting. Have a nice day, mate. Cheers.

 

[tehlemon]

I very much like the sandbox element, but once you hit level 50, max stats for you and your summon all that's left is the story. The combat loses its *already thin* appeal very quickly when there is nothing to gain from it.

Yeah, the entire game progression is pretty out of wack. Specially once you've played through the game a couple times and you realize you can get to level 50 in like, 15-20 minutes (not using an auto clicker, in which case its more like 5).

In total I think I spent about 12-14 hours in this game. Right now I'm at the point where I collected all 3 keys, so I assume I'm about to end the main story - and probably the game. Most interesting combat so far was the chain-combat with Vengar and it's team. Ended it with 126 out of 1000 hp lol. After that I took the regen perk

I always forget how much time new players can get out of the game lol

You're almost to the end of the current story, yes.

You can make 100% health potions by enchanting the right drinks, btw. It takes 1ap to be back at max HP every round.

What I'm trying to say here - if the game would be modable

We all wish for that.

 

[chichong]

Yeah, the entire game progression is pretty out of wack. Specially once you've played through the game a couple times and you realize you can get to level 50 in like, 15-20 minutes (not using an auto clicker, in which case its more like 5).

You mean pick soldier profession, go to "very dangerous" area, explore, hit succubus 3 times, remove it from game, repeat? Not exactly 15-20 minutes, and it's boring.

You can make 100% health potions by enchanting the right drinks, btw. It takes 1ap to be back at max HP every round.

Well, to my shame I never realized you could use potions IN combat. That makes everything... plain. smh/fml

I always forget how much time new players can get out of the game lol

I suffer from chronic restartitis, ok? I think I restarted the game like 10 times, usually at the point of entering Submission. And I never grinded levels.

 

[IvoryOwl]

You mean pick soldier profession, go to "very dangerous" area, explore, hit succubus 3 times, remove it from game, repeat? Not exactly 15-20 minutes, and it's boring.

There's a perk in the game called "Orgasm Level Drainer" or something like that. Every time someone orgasms during sex, it gives you XP. Being in the dominant role allows you to keep sex going indefinitely, which in turn allows you accumulate orgasms until the desired level. Get that perk, go to the Submission area and defeat imp groups. That's the strategy people use to level up quickly.

As you might have noticed by now, there's hardly any point to cheating because the game is already quite unbalanced by itself and allows you to cheese your way through things if you got the know-how. There's a method to get good money too...

 

[Mistik]

Can make a mod. The question is how to implement it. The fastest, use one line of code to create a new human subrace body. The second way is to change each part of the body separately in the hope that do not need to dye your hair or change the size of the genitals. Third, it will be similar in mechanics to the "Switch character preset" mod. Three implementation options from simple to more voluminous in terms of the number of lines. I'm just talking out loud.

 

[BeholdTheWizzard]

Thank you for sharing tho. If I ever do this on a level better than "for personal use" I'll share the images and a save at day 1 level 1. But after reading previous comments about general attitude regarding "defurrification" I suspect this would upset a lot of... uhm... "people".

That would be the writers.

I found that porn/smut writers have the most inflated ego, EVER. Furry writers even moreso.
They think their writing is a gift from the gods and anyone who doesn't like their perfect character deserves a million deaths. Because clearly knowing tons of different terms for pussy and cock is the height of literal endevours.
Also, the writers are the ones most likely to throw a hissy fit and threaten to leave a project.

 

[BeholdTheWizzard]

As you've realized by now, the options only affect random NPCs by design*1, some of the (non-human) static NPCs have major roles in the story and lore of the world and it wouldn't make much sense for them to humans (humans in this world have the second worst place in the social hierarchy, being only marginally better and more important than imps, which are at bottom). Lilaya, your aunt, is only able to kickstart your adventure because of her predicament, which is attached to her race (and status) as a half-demon.

Keyword. SOME.
And even those can be easily explained. Demons can transform their appearance however they want, don't they?
So that leaves pretty much only humans.

 

[IvoryOwl]

Keyword. SOME.
And even those can be easily explained. Demons can transform their appearance however they want, don't they?
So that leaves pretty much only humans.

While it is true that demons can transform themselves into humans, most have little reason to. Lilith despises humans and so does most of her descendants by proxy. Lyssieth is the only Lilin we know of to be an exception but not even her domain is considered "safe". Many humans chose to transform themselves into anthros to avoid persecution and social stigma.

You may come up with whatever reasoning or excuse you desire, the fact is the lore doesn't back up the idea of a human-centric world in Lilith's Throne. However, if you're willing to cope with a disjointed story (or simply don't care about the story at all, or would rather come up with your own) in favor of gameplay, more power to you. At the end of the day, how you play your game is none of my business.

Since modding is a thing, you could just mod the entire game and change the story to however you see fit. Just don't expect the vanilla game to change much in that regard, or at least not anytime soon.

 

[Tecquo]

Despite a furry tag, that was a good adventure, tbh. First experience in text-based… ehm… RPG. Looking forward to next update.

 

[Hongfire Survivor]

excel sheet sex

Lol this needs to catch on

TiTs is definitely my favorite text based game on here. Characters feel like people and not one sex scene is the same.

Wish you had a tad more freedom with said scenes, but it is what it is.

 

[alfabb]

Despite a furry tag, that was a good adventure, tbh. First experience in text-based… ehm… RPG. Looking forward to next update.

What a grand and intoxicating innocence.

 

[Lazyrick]

Despite a furry tag, that was a good adventure, tbh. First experience in text-based… ehm… RPG. Looking forward to next update.

Me too, too bad the next update will be two weeks(or months) late, and consist of 20 bug fixes, 30 new bugs, a new color for your dick, and the ability to fuck noses.

But for real, updates are not frequent, on time, or worth the wait most of the time. it's a real "check every 1/2 a year with low expectations" sort of development.