RPGM Abandoned Lily of the Valley [v2.0] [P and P]

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lecram59

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Gr8Dumper said:
I agree with everything you are saying.
However, PandP (and lots of creators of their size) is in a "chicken and egg" or "Catch 22" situation if you like:
1 They have a great thing going
2 What's holding their Patron revenue back is that it takes too long time between each release.
3 But in order to move faster they need to hire devs/artists etc
4 But in order to be able pay those new devs/artists (to move faster), they need more revenue
repeat from step 2

And this is the dilemma for a creators on Patreon.

Patreon is using a sort of crowd funded start up model, where you need enough crazy "investors" who are willing to take a looong leap of faith. The key is to find enough Patrons (e.g. crazy investors) willing to pay enough for a long enough time to fund the machine until the dev machine is fully revd up and is cranking out release fast enough :) After that other patrons will come and then things works by them self...

Lots of creators have this dilemma.

A few have broken out though of this loop though.

NLT is probably one of the best examples: they were clocking $3K/month about a year ago (august 2018) and today they were clocking $26K/month end of August. Yeah that's right $26K! (they finally stopped disclosing the $ amount a few days ago - I think they got scared to show how much they are actually making lol).
Now $26k is serious business!

So what is similar/same P&P vs NLT? Well:
- NLT are doing RPG games in the same style as PandP LotV so the game style work! PROVEN that is is NOT a renpy vs. RPG thing
- NLT are great story tellers same as P and P (I may even give an edge to P and P - deeper story)
- NLT's 3D models look great! I would even say P and P looks better!
- NLT's animations are good. I would say P and P's animations are clearly much better!
- NLT's games are also well scripted - but P and P are more complex and even better scripted.

What are the differences?:
- NLT has been releasing 2 updates per month now for more than a year i think! That's right 2 updates per month!
- each update is less ambitions than P and P's, but they provide enough game play for someone who has full time day job and is playing a bit on the week ends between their family and friends commitments - AND they have MONEY to spare :)

That's the difference - 2 releases/month in smaller playable 20-30 min chunks

How did they do it?
NLT got enough funding (somehow from somewhere) to fund devs/artists to do 2 release / month for a year! It paid off in a big way!
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What is NLT?
 
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Gr8Dumper said:
I agree with everything you are saying.
However, PandP (and lots of creators of their size) is in a "chicken and egg" or "Catch 22" situation if you like:
1 They have a great thing going
2 What's holding their Patron revenue back is that it takes too long time between each release.
3 But in order to move faster they need to hire devs/artists etc
4 But in order to be able pay those new devs/artists (to move faster), they need more revenue
repeat from step 2

And this is the dilemma for a creators on Patreon.

Patreon is using a sort of crowd funded start up model, where you need enough crazy "investors" who are willing to take a looong leap of faith. The key is to find enough Patrons (e.g. crazy investors) willing to pay enough for a long enough time to fund the machine until the dev machine is fully revd up and is cranking out release fast enough :) After that other patrons will come and then things works by them self...

Lots of creators have this dilemma.

A few have broken out though of this loop though.

NLT is probably one of the best examples: they were clocking $3K/month about a year ago (august 2018) and today they were clocking $26K/month end of August. Yeah that's right $26K! (they finally stopped disclosing the $ amount a few days ago - I think they got scared to show how much they are actually making lol).
Now $26k is serious business!

So what is similar/same P&P vs NLT? Well:
- NLT are doing RPG games in the same style as PandP LotV so the game style work! PROVEN that is is NOT a renpy vs. RPG thing
- NLT are great story tellers same as P and P (I may even give an edge to P and P - deeper story)
- NLT's 3D models look great! I would even say P and P looks better!
- NLT's animations are good. I would say P and P's animations are clearly much better!
- NLT's games are also well scripted - but P and P are more complex and even better scripted.

What are the differences?:
- NLT has been releasing 2 updates per month now for more than a year i think! That's right 2 updates per month!
- each update is less ambitions than P and P's, but they provide enough game play for someone who has full time day job and is playing a bit on the week ends between their family and friends commitments - AND they have MONEY to spare :)

That's the difference - 2 releases/month in smaller playable 20-30 min chunks

How did they do it?
NLT got enough funding (somehow from somewhere) to fund devs/artists to do 2 release / month for a year! It paid off in a big way!
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I agree with everything you said.
it must be said that NLT are born as comics developers only after they dedicated themselves to games so they had a good starting point with patreon supporters . We know PandP thanks to LoTV, there are no previous projects or works. This in my opinion is the difference that allowed NLT to have a bigger budget that allows him to release 1 update every 15 days. In order for PandP to increase its patreons and therefore its budget, in my opinion, it would be enough for them to release only 1 update a month but on a regular basis (example every 5 of the month).
However, for me, both games are among the best as a porn genre. Anna EA, although beautiful, does not come close to LoTV and NLT.
At the moment I don't consider AWAM a porn game but an erotic comedy.
 
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Jack73 said:
I agree with everything you said.
it must be said that NLT are born as comics developers only after they dedicated themselves to games so they had a good starting point with patreon supporters . We know PandP thanks to LoTV, there are no previous projects or works. This in my opinion is the difference that allowed NLT to have a bigger budget that allows him to release 1 update every 15 days. In order for PandP to increase its patreons and therefore its budget, in my opinion, it would be enough for them to release only 1 update a month but on a regular basis (example every 5 of the month).
However, for me, both games are among the best as a porn genre. Anna EA, although beautiful, does not come close to LoTV and NLT.
At the moment I don't consider AWAM a porn game but an erotic comedy.
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Granted, they had a head start with lots more funding saved from their comic business. But their Patreon business was not that great just 12-15 months ago - they did a few other games before Lust Epidemic that was, quite frankly, not that great (e.g. my summer with mom and sis etc.). so they were plotting along more or less testing the water at Patreon. What changed was that they committed them self to making a serious attractive game and then invested time and money to hire staff to be able to get on a 15 day release cycle.
Judging from the graphs (
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My point is also to, hopefully, inspire P and P to somehow get a years worth of funding for devs and artists and commit them self similarly (schedule)... i think that is the way to go because NLT have basically proven the $$$ model .
And P and P is as good or better in all other aspects, so they have the potential to exceed them.
 
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It automatically starts full screen and there's no option to make it windowed. Am I missing something or was it purposely made this way? The resolution is pixelated now cause I downloaded the "unofficial compressed" version. Could that be why? I mean, I can't play it if I have to download the 6gig version. If that's the case, I'll just have to miss out on this game. lol
 
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If p&p still going to update he game after 3-4 month with small update again he will lose he patreon even more, u know what update 1.2 is the worst. If u read this p&p u need attrach u patreon again maybe with good update and does not take long enough time, Be consistent and not some lame drama, you can see other developer with bigger patreon because he consistent
 
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You are 100% correct. However from what I have observed this developer he does not care about it, I read a comment of him right here on this topic, I realized that he is discouraged. I see many defend him, but he himself does not care. I like it I don't think it's arguable, I love Anna, history, graphics and CG's. I love Lilly too but I've already commented what becomes annoying is the delay of updates. I get upset, and repeating, for me it's two great games! The top ones on my list. I won't make a war horse for that. Both are good!

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Wingman666 said:
If p&p still going to update he game after 3-4 month with small update again he will lose he patreon even more, u know what update 1.2 is the worst. If u read this p&p u need attrach u patreon again maybe with good update and does not take long enough time, Be consistent and not some lame drama, you can see other developer with bigger patreon because he consistent
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I got myself just wonder how big and good this update is going to be.
I waited for Anna’s update 2 1/2 months and the result was about 1h gameplay with far too less sex and strange scenes.

I know at least the story and development here will be good.

But at best what? 3 months? If we are lucky they release this month? oh man... I wanted to decide to support them by this very next update but it really takes long trying hard to be patient.

Sorry
 
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FookU2 said:
It automatically starts full screen and there's no option to make it windowed. Am I missing something or was it purposely made this way? The resolution is pixelated now cause I downloaded the "unofficial compressed" version. Could that be why? I mean, I can't play it if I have to download the 6gig version. If that's the case, I'll just have to miss out on this game. lol
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Not sure about the "compressed" version but hit the F4 button and then it should go back to window mode. (at least on original version)
 
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when is she gonna give Rick from the restaurant , he and titties fondled and pussy saw and Blowjob Lily was doing
 
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logdog said:
when is she gonna give Rick from the restaurant , he and titties fondled and pussy saw and Blowjob Lily was doing
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Why don’t you write your text in your language in google translate and copy paste the english translation here? I do this sometimes. Easier to understand you know
 
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