RPGM Abandoned Lily of the Valley [v2.0] [P and P]

[Gr8Dumper]

i have been supporting you guys for more than 2 years and i know problems happens and delays can happens also
the thing is you need to tell us when you have a problems so people understand but you go in complete silent mode
otherwise you have to know people love the game so much they just cant wait lol.
if you communicate more with us ..people wont b this mad knowing whats coming.
i wish you guys all the best and i hope to see lily for many updates to come..i will keep on supporting you always ....we all just hope to see more of lily thats the problem

And P knows this. People have been pleading with them to do better communications. It's the single biggest issue they have.
Lots can be solved by communicating frequently and honestly with patrons. it's about trust, keeping your word, i.e. "say what to do and do what you say".

This is more important than to work more and harder. It's more important to communicate realistic deadlines and then meet or deliver early on them.... - exceptions management

 

[ibizadalton]

I think I have everything clear? the end of the media and the news of the game as it was not and is not, and you can understand those who have already left them, as they are simply deceiving these developers

I didn't understand why P and P has so few patrons and why the game is developing so slowly, but now I understand that with this approach he will not have patrons, and the project Lily of the valley will close.

view this comment is on share it not with the community

 

[mumbles09]

in answer to P&P comment , also Gr8Dumper .
yea its a brill game , i'm cat 1 but sum-times it can be a 3 ,it depends on the length of update .
thank you for your hard work thou .
keep it going .

 

[mihnea fotescu]

No, we're superhumans! Except we are not! You will read about that too, after we release the update, if other P agrees to share that shit. But anyhow, who gives a fuck about that, right!???

wow! this attitude, it's incredible! dude, either you guys are the unluckiest developpers on earth, either you are lying again and again. Sorry, but here you have so much support, most of the guys here had you back. in the last 3 days more people start talking more critically (but with humor) about your delays and you appear here and again talk trash, say nothing, and give zero transparency. People like me, that are upset on how you deliver your content are a minority here, usually keep in silence by enthusiastic guys who no matter what are prepare to give you an excuse. So at least for these guys (although i am not sharing their view) be nice and transparent. TALK TO THE PEOPLE AND STOP LYING!

 

[ibizadalton]

wow! this attitude, it's incredible! dude, either you guys are the unluckiest developpers on earth, either you are lying again and again. Sorry, but here you have so much support, most of the guys here had you back. in the last 3 days more people start talking more critically (but with humor) about your delays and you appear here and again talk trash, say nothing, and give zero transparency. People like me, that are upset on how you deliver your content are a minority here, usually keep in silence by enthusiastic guys who no matter what are prepare to give you an excuse. So at least for these guys (although i am not sharing their view) be nice and transparent. TALK TO THE PEOPLE AND STOP LYING!

you are one of the people I can't stand in this world, wanting all of them, whatever the quality and the respect of others.
for those like me who have supported him for a long time now we know that he is no more late than usual, if you have browsed F95zone you will find games where the Developments and where even the game developer does not communicate on his advanced of the game or the release of it. (go yell over there)
I close the site before continuing to read completely false and completely stupid posts in non-constructive comments.

 

[Gr8Dumper]

wow! this attitude, it's incredible! dude, either you guys are the unluckiest developpers on earth, either you are lying again and again. Sorry, but here you have so much support, most of the guys here had you back. in the last 3 days more people start talking more critically (but with humor) about your delays and you appear here and again talk trash, say nothing, and give zero transparency. People like me, that are upset on how you deliver your content are a minority here, usually keep in silence by enthusiastic guys who no matter what are prepare to give you an excuse. So at least for these guys (although i am not sharing their view) be nice and transparent. TALK TO THE PEOPLE AND STOP LYING!

Agreeing with ibizadalton!
Most other things I could add has been said many, many times before so i'm not repeating it here again.
BUT a few additional things: Just because they do not share and communicate a lot here , doesn't mean they are not sharing more info with Patrons. They do!
Another thing, the more aggressive, destructive, demeaning and vile this forum goes:
1. the less likely are patrons to share broadly that info or anything else for that matter here
2. the less likely it is that P and P will show up again - they'll just get attacked very time, so why should they?

 

[Pogo123]

puh this discussion is getting out of hand since days... if it already happened many times the past 3 years, as some mentioned, i wonder why nothing changed in one way or another.

i personally gave PnP 15 bucks a few months ago. Money i didnt really had, but since i played everything of years of work i wanted to show appreciation in a bit more than words (and that they don't give up) i also talked with them and they were pretty nice and quite busy already back then. and later i had to cancel support completely, cause of money issues, like latex224 always mentiones, also. :/ still one of my fav porn games and will always be in my top 3. idk why some guys talk it down so much i mean yeah the animations are a bit stiff in comparison to new games or games with bigger support (and the limiations of positions still bugs me) BUT it still aged well, the all around package is great (very understandable and smooth gameplay, great char :3, solide fetishes and nice story) many games lack these things more or less. even many newer ones. so get the stick out of your butt please guys who complain like that.

that they can't communicate well... well it seems even LotV veterans like Gr8Dumper agree to this. which doesn't mean that they already have to be liars maybe its really hard to them to communicate (maybe its a mentality thing? maybe really just the lack of english? guess we will never know) but at least they try to communicate here.

i saw devs who just disappear never seen again (humbling experience), devs who can't communicate at all and really try to milk as much as possible (MilfCity) and games which have an update ever half year or later with even less content than LotV where you have to wait years for actual sex and personal fetishes.

ofc it bothers me also it gets delayed and delayed all over again... but it still can be FAR worse. so calm your tits a bit, my "conspiracy theorists".

ibizadalton here have some coffee to lighten up your mood. (and i think the smiley on discord was a "yeah i know who you are" kinda thing )

 

[Gr8Dumper]

puh this discussion is getting out of hand since days... if it already happened many times the past 3 years, as some mentioned, i wonder why nothing changed in one way or another.

i personally gave PnP 15 bucks a few months ago. Money i didnt really had, but since i played everything of years of work i wanted to show appreciation in a bit more than words (and that they don't give up) i also talked with them and they were pretty nice and quite busy already back then. and later i had to cancel support completely, cause of money issues, like latex224 always mentiones, also. :/ still one of my fav porn games and will always be in my top 3. idk why some guys talk it down so much i mean yeah the animations are a bit stiff in comparison to new games or games with bigger support (and the limiations of positions still bugs me) BUT it still aged well, the all around packes is great (very understandable and smooth gameplay, great char :3, solide fetishes and nice story) many games lack these things more or less. even many newer ones. so get the stick out of your butt please guys who complain like that.

that they can't communicate well... well it seems even LotV veterans like Gr8Dumper agree to this. which doesn't mean that they already have to be liars maybe its really hard to them to communicate (maybe its a mentality thing? maybe really just the lack of english? guess we will never know) but at least they try to communicate here.

i saw devs who just disappear never seen again (humbling experience), devs who can't communicate at all and really try to milk as much as possible (MilfCity) and games which have an update ever half year or later with even less content than LotV where you have to wait years for actual sex and personal fetishes.

ofc it bothers me also it gets delayed and delayed all over again... but it still can be FAR worse. so calm your tits a bit, my "conspiracy theorists".

"even veterans like" me

The communication, yes this is something i have discussed with P and P extensively in 1 on 1 messages over the years, even offered to help with that.

Honestly, they truth is that they are not comfortable in English at all. I actually think P is pretty good but he does not think so. Therefore they are very uncomfortable engaging in a dialog in English with lots of back and forth. and especially when there is shit being thrown around (like here)...
This is also why they have a dedicated translator to translate the game text so it's well done.

So since I know a bit more about them than most, I can honestly say it's mostly a language barrier why they do not engage the community in back and forth dialog. It's not that they do not want it's just not working for them. It would be like me trying to engage in a French speaking forum...

 

[kango6111]

Are folks truly that blind to not see that they are too close to scooping another month of Patreon fees to release the game prior to the first week of June?

We have seen this happen before... happy to be wrong, but do not expect anything until the next month of fees is collected. We have seen this act way to many times to be oblivious to it.

 

[Gr8Dumper]

Are folks truly that blind to not see that they are too close to scooping another month of Patreon fees to release the game prior to the first week of June?

We have seen this happen before... happy to be wrong, but do not expect anything until the next month of fees is collected. We have seen this act way to many times to be oblivious to it.

We'll see what happens - give it until Sunday then you can call that out. Don't want to say more but... well, let's see...

 

[Deleted member 34554]

''We're testing it, We're playing it, We're polishing it. It's pretty much all I can say.''

The update is ready for days... he will release end of month like he always does, to hold people from stop donating.

 

[Deleted member 34473]

 

[Sir Cummington 2nd]

All I can say as an ex patron to many creators;
It isnt the money im feeling sorry for, it is the communication between the creators and patrons that vanishes after few updates, ergo, a lot of people quit supporting because of the inactivity of developers. In this case, it would be a real pity to let this project die.

 

[Gr8Dumper]

View attachment 672487

getting better and better!

Face looks very close now...
butt's too big i think, but you're getting close!

 

[tetreb]

View attachment 672487

Well u forgot one nail on her finger and i think too much makeup on face

 

[cold_arctus]

Wow!! I'm surprised to see that so many "pirates" are worried about where other peoples money goes. Why does it bother them if P&P collects another month of support before the release? If you are a Patron and feel "milked" then pls cancel your support right now. In two days Patron/Paypal will collect the money for next month.

Tbh with you guys, I do not care for what you spend your money. Or should I actually worry about your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend spending money on a sex toy??

I always thought it is a pirate's interest to be in good terms with the devs, because 90% of us here play the game for free anywhere.. so why calling them liar or accuse them being scammer/milker? Without Patrons no game. Without a game no Lily. Doesn't it have a contra-productive effect for pirates and piracy?

Just imagine P&P decide to switch engines to Unity and put up a paywall that only paying patrons have access to the game via P&P's servers..

 

[JochenErfurt]

Sorry, but then I don't understand your initial question.

I thought it was a serious question about taxation for supporters or how tax regulations are handled for game developer by Patreon.

No, i was just joking. It seems you have a good idea about taxation. I'm here in this Forum, because i'm waiting for updates and sometimes enjoying the discussion, for example between Pogo and Latex although i'm not in his fetish. I love the game Lily of the valley and i hope for the update, nothing more.

 

[Latex224]

No, i was just joking. It seems you have a good idea about taxation. I'm here in this Forum, because i'm waiting for updates and sometimes enjoying the discussion, for example between Pogo and Latex although i'm not in his fetish. I love the game Lily of the valley and i hope for the update, nothing more.

HEY! Don't talk shit about my fetish

 

[Pogo123]

Wow!! I'm surprised to see that so many "pirates" are worried about where other peoples money goes. Why does it bother them if P&P collects another month of support before the release? If you are a Patron and feel "milked" then pls cancel your support right now. In two days Patron/Paypal will collect the money for next month.

Tbh with you guys, I do not care for what you spend your money. Or should I actually worry about your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend spending money on a sex toy??

I always thought it is a pirate's interest to be in good terms with the devs, because 90% of us here play the game for free anywhere.. so why calling them liar or accuse them being scammer/milker? Without Patrons no game. Without a game no Lily. Doesn't it have a contra-productive effect for pirates and piracy?

Just imagine P&P decide to switch engines to Unity and put up a paywall that only paying patrons have access to the game via P&P's servers..

well written. and really good points.

JochenErfurt thanks for the laughs mate (i mean I have sometimes weird fetishes but latex224 ? he has some really weird fetishes but psst! don’t tell him he is very sensitive on that topic and thanks for agreeing)

 

[BloodyMares]

Wow!! I'm surprised to see that so many "pirates" are worried about where other peoples money goes. Why does it bother them if P&P collects another month of support before the release? If you are a Patron and feel "milked" then pls cancel your support right now. In two days Patron/Paypal will collect the money for next month.

I don't think "pirates" actually care about other people's money. They only care about the game and want to see more of it. But if the devs are not transparent and take too long with each update, there's a constant worry that patrons will leave and the project is going to be dropped or end up being stuck in limbo indefinitely. Some are very passionate about this and get frustrated easily but I'd say it's to be expected. You can't deny that it's bad PR. I'm just amazed that P&P still get away with their release schedule. Most devs get flack for delaying for another 2 weeks or worse - a month, let alone taking more than 2 months to develop a single update. I almost forgot this game was a thing, to be honest. As long as patrons are satisfied with waiting half a year for an update and not receiving clear explanation for the delay, and the game is going to continue no matter what, then who am I to complain.