RPGM Abandoned Lily of the Valley [v2.0] [P and P]

[ibizadalton]

Are taxmen among us?

we are present, but discreet. in view of the behavior of the Haters, Rageous, and others which does not reflect the good atmosphere of the mutual aid of the forum we hesitate to share the news whatever it is. if we are silent it is also that we have nothing more to say that has not already been mentioned in the previous pages (pages turned).

Darkman_13 latex224 fred75 Gr8Dumper ShabbyCrabby 4KING

 

[fred75]

Ok..ok.. i understand the whiners, haters, and lovers of LOTV..but now even tax included????

 

[cold_arctus]

Ok..ok.. i understand the whiners, haters, and lovers of LOTV..but now even tax included????

I'm still waiting for is actual question he has about tax.

 

[JochenErfurt]

Form your name I assume you are German. I'm familiar with the German tax system (German myself). So, what is your question?

I love it to act discreetly like ibizadalton. The german tax system is a peculiar matter.

 

[KiresTheOne]

1 more day for the "release" , patience guys

 

[Nekto K]

I think I have everything clear? the end of the media and the news of the game as it was not and is not, and you can understand those who have already left them, as they are simply deceiving these developers

 

[cold_arctus]

I love it to act discreetly like ibizadalton. The german tax system is a peculiar matter.

Are taxmen among us?

Sorry, but then I don't understand your initial question.

I thought it was a serious question about taxation for supporters or how tax regulations are handled for game developer by Patreon.

 

[locopogo1]

P&P last comment 10 hours ago..


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We're testing it, We're playing it, We're polishing it. It's pretty much all I can say."

I didn't understand why P and P has so few patrons and why the game is developing so slowly, but now I understand that with this approach he will not have patrons, and the project Lily of the valley will close.

 

[Gr8Dumper]

Honesty the patrons have been through some rough patches with P and P over the past soon 3 years so they are hardened and P and P will survive this one as well.
The usual cycle that we know all too well is: develop, promise a date, delay, promise another date, delay again, finally they deliver, people love it, some complain it's too short for x months (you know the usual..), they start a new cycle.

They are roughly maintaining the core patron base who knows how this cycle work for 2 years or so. Yeah some patron come and goes, but the core roughly stays.
But your are right they are not growing their base and they will not grow it with the current approach, but they will also not close.

 

[penmaster]

You are so naive bro. P / P said they will release the game at the end of April, that they have everything done. Then the first week in May and now it's the end of May and the game is nowhere to be seen. Either they don't have the game ready and they lie or they are just waiting for money from patreons. For me, P / P is just a liar. He can't say, we're sorry, we'll release the game in a month, we can't catch up. But you better keep quiet and people like you who are so naive and still send them money for nothing.

S.

Don't you think developers do run into problems sometimes? And that's why the update gets delayed. There is another developer ran into problem with his machine, so he couldn't bring the update plus I believe he was working on another game or probably finished that.

 

[P&P]

Don't you think developers do run into problems sometimes? And that's why the update gets delayed. There is another developer ran into problem with his machine, so he couldn't bring the update plus I believe he was working on another game or probably finished that.

No, we're superhumans! Except we are not! You will read about that too, after we release the update, if other P agrees to share that shit. But anyhow, who gives a fuck about that, right!???

 

[omarsayed]

No, we're superhumans! Except we are not! You will read about that too, after we release the update, if other P agrees to share that shit. But anyhow, who gives a fuck about that, right!???

i have been supporting you guys for more than 2 years and i know problems happens and delays can happens also
the thing is you need to tell us when you have a problems so people understand but you go in complete silent mode
otherwise you have to know people love the game so much they just cant wait lol.
if you communicate more with us ..people wont b this mad knowing whats coming.
i wish you guys all the best and i hope to see lily for many updates to come..i will keep on supporting you always ....we all just hope to see more of lily thats the problem

 

[Gr8Dumper]

No, we're superhumans! Except we are not! You will read about that too, after we release the update, if other P agrees to share that shit. But anyhow, who gives a fuck about that, right!???

P, you know this already, but here it goes again
There are like 3 basic categories of people here:
1. People who cares and love the game - some are patrons and some are not, but they love the game and could be potential patrons.
2. Haters who move from forum to forum to piss on everyone who do not subscribe to the idea that <developer X> is an evil scammer bla, bla.
There are many <developer X> - not just P and P.
3. And people how just flow a long download without much noise, jumping from dl page to dl page.

Category 1 do give a fuck you can be sure of that. Likely potential or existing Patrons.

 

[BlackStallion]

P, you know this already, but here it goes again
There are like 3 basic categories of people here:
1. People who cares and love the game - some are patrons some are not but they love the game.
2. Haters who move from forum to forum to piss on everyone who do not subscribe to the idea that <developer X> is and evil scammer bla, bla.
There are many <developer X> - not just P and P.
3. And people how just flow a long download without much noise jumping from dl page to dl page.

category 1 do give a fuck you can be sure of that.

You are biased, you can see that in point 2. when you describe people who like the game as just people, but people with different opinions who dislike as "haters". There are plenty who come in update after update to say what is wrong and they can do that, because not everything has to be good about the game. That doesn't make you automatically a hater. There are plenty other reviewers for other entertainments that solely say what is wrong with something. You can care for something without having to like it.

 

[Latex224]

No, we're superhumans! Except we are not! You will read about that too, after we release the update, if other P agrees to share that shit. But anyhow, who gives a fuck about that, right!???

I hope you mange to fix and polish what you where missing.
I am not a paying patreon (sadly) but you guys had one amazing idea that you 2 (and the rest if more on the team) put to life. <3
It has been one hell of a journey (in a good) for Lily's story, for both payers and non payers but most of all for you guys.
You guys have a big fan base (even though not everybody has the ability to financially support) and some haters sadly. (That are in all threads, sites etc) but deep down even they love your work.

I hope you keep updating Lily's story and give her a respected ending when you are complete with her story.
And best of luck with your secret project.

Peace!

 

[Gr8Dumper]

You again....
BlackStallion

I guess you felt you fell in category 2 and needed to respond, and I'd say your feeling is pretty accurate because on the face of it, you do fit category 2 reasonably well (but like most, you are mix of a bit of this and a bit of that). However:
- you are pretty aggressive trying to pick fights - I don't know about hate but you know that better, so you can decide where you are on that...
- move from forum to forum pissing on people - check
- constructive criticism is fine and that's fair - lots of us do (and I do a lot of that), but most of us do it respecting the forum rules, and you don't respect the forum rules, do you.

Literally from the F95zone forum rules first there lines:
"
General

1. Be respectful. Opinions are fine, attacks are not
   • This includes trolling, belittling, etc

"
https://f95zone.to/threads/general-rules-updated-2020-02-08.5589/

 

[Gr8Dumper]

i have been supporting you guys for more than 2 years and i know problems happens and delays can happens also
the thing is you need to tell us when you have a problems so people understand but you go in complete silent mode
otherwise you have to know people love the game so much they just cant wait lol.
if you communicate more with us ..people wont b this mad knowing whats coming.
i wish you guys all the best and i hope to see lily for many updates to come..i will keep on supporting you always ....we all just hope to see more of lily thats the problem

And P knows this. People have been pleading with them to do better communications. It's the single biggest issue they have.
Lots can be solved by communicating frequently and honestly with patrons. it's about trust, keeping your word, i.e. "say what to do and do what you say".

This is more important than to work more and harder. It's more important to communicate realistic deadlines and then meet or deliver early on them.... - exceptions management

 

[ibizadalton]

I think I have everything clear? the end of the media and the news of the game as it was not and is not, and you can understand those who have already left them, as they are simply deceiving these developers

I didn't understand why P and P has so few patrons and why the game is developing so slowly, but now I understand that with this approach he will not have patrons, and the project Lily of the valley will close.

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[mumbles09]

in answer to P&P comment , also Gr8Dumper .
yea its a brill game , i'm cat 1 but sum-times it can be a 3 ,it depends on the length of update .
thank you for your hard work thou .
keep it going .

 

[mihnea fotescu]

No, we're superhumans! Except we are not! You will read about that too, after we release the update, if other P agrees to share that shit. But anyhow, who gives a fuck about that, right!???

wow! this attitude, it's incredible! dude, either you guys are the unluckiest developpers on earth, either you are lying again and again. Sorry, but here you have so much support, most of the guys here had you back. in the last 3 days more people start talking more critically (but with humor) about your delays and you appear here and again talk trash, say nothing, and give zero transparency. People like me, that are upset on how you deliver your content are a minority here, usually keep in silence by enthusiastic guys who no matter what are prepare to give you an excuse. So at least for these guys (although i am not sharing their view) be nice and transparent. TALK TO THE PEOPLE AND STOP LYING!