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copyrights $uckI see another LOK every other month, but never another game like "Peach's Untold Tale"... so sad.
copyrights $uckI see another LOK every other month, but never another game like "Peach's Untold Tale"... so sad.
And they'll keep making them until one eventually is finished.People keeps making Legend of Krystal games?
Hi Abelius.Alright, so here I go with my take on this...
When I found out about it this morning, I thought this was coming from other guys at the old LOKR thread who said they'd make my LOK:Rebirth version worth of content by Christmas, using Kuja's graphics and my rigged Spine models and animations by ripping them off from the game.
From that statement, two things offended me:
a) The fact they take for granted that they could just take our work, regardless if the project is no more.
b) Thinking they can make what I did in two years, with that level of detail, in six months.
So, I publicly laughed at them and made a mental note to return there on Dec 25th to laugh at them a second time.
And now, this comes up. A Ren'Py VN (not a side-scroller) which the creator doesn't even hide the fact has stolen the assets from our old game.
But the name of this guy doesn't match the one of that other guy so full of himself, so now I'm confused and only see two explanations for this:
a) This is indeed THAT promised amazing game that would show me how it's done.
If that's the case, please let me laugh at them again, just a lot louder. Because when you open this you're received by a game that has:
- No music
- No sound
- No expressions
- No new animations
- No layer sorting
...and no future content is possible for very obvious reasons.
b) Or... this Pluto guy is just a fan, a very creative one to boot, and thought it was okay to just take the assets because the game is labeled as "abandoned".
And if this is the real case here, well... let me say to you a couple of things, Pluto_Storm
1.) You should really have asked for our permission.
I think that's a no-brainer, and no amount of "buts" justify not doing that. Especially because this sets a very dangerous precedent.
Unity SUCKS at protecting their users' work, that's no secret. But that doesn't mean everything unprotected is ripe for the taking. If I have tomatos in my garden, it's still not okay for you to pick them because I don't have a Doberman at the entrance.
That said...
2.) Good job, man.
Lol... you've done what you could with the models, didn't use the assets you couldn't use for technical reasons, and made something worth an hour or two of play.
I've had some laughs with your dialogue and I can say you're an actual fan of the old game. So... even though I was mad this morning, I can't be mad at you anymore.
Now, you may want to clarify that this project isn't a full-fledged game that you'll be able to expand to the infinite as people here think. Maybe you should ask for a 'Completed' tag to avoid wild expectations.
Also, note I just speak for myself on this. Kuja may think the same as me or not. I think he won't mind much.
Hi MightyAltroll, Kuja, AbeliusHello, this is Kuja (LOK and LOKR artist). I find your project quite intriguing. The more Krystal games, the merrier, but I must express my disappointment that you've chosen to undertake it by borrowing someone else's (my own) artwork without obtaining their (my) consent. I vividly recall the years I spent as a silent observer in the old forums before mustering the courage to embark on my own creative journey. Back then, I couldn't even draw, let alone speak English, but through a lot of effort I persevered. Nevertheless, I strongly encourage you to always seek permission first.
That being said, your talent is evident, and I would humbly and respectfully suggest exploring a more distinctive and or unique path if you decide to work on new projects in the future.
if I were you, I would do the same thingHi Abelius.
About the guys working on a reboot: I remember reading about it on the other thread but I forgot that was a thing lol. We will see what happens there. But yeah, I am just a random fan who threw together this short 'game'.
To the first point: you are right I should have asked for permission. From my perspective, I was playing around learning Ren'Py and how to export the animations for fun, and then I decided to wrap a story around it and put the game on here so others could see it. The idea of asking for permission just didn't pass my brain. Sorry about that.
To your second point: Thanks Abelius. That means a lot coming from you. I don't know how to make an actual game. Ren'Py is easy and I wanted to see what I could do with it. I should add the 'Completed' tag and try to minimize peoples expectations lol. You were the creative mind in the original project right? Hopefully you can forgive me for character and story changes.
Hi MightyAltroll, Kuja, Abelius
I appreciate you all coming here and commenting directly. You are right that I should have asked for permission and I would like to apologize to you all directly. I am sorry for stealing your work without permission and running forward with it. I should have reached out at the beginning when I was tinkering with the assets, but especially before putting it my product on F95. I am just a new person who thought I could scrap something together from pieces of a project I really liked and was too dumb to think about what I was actually doing while doing it. If there are any actions I can take to help fix this wrong, let me know. The least I can do is put links to your ongoing projects on this game so at least people who see my stolen content know where to go.
After each of you voiced your disappointment in me, you also gave me direct complements. I don't think I earned those complements but I greatly appreciate the kind words. Especially considering you are giving them to a person who stole your work.
I think I am too shy to talk to you in discord or anything like that, but know that I have a lot of respect for you all.
Isn't their ongoing project just more of remaking the same remake? Their patreon and website both seem to imply that LoK:rererere is still their ongoing active project.This game was made using assets from the abandoned LoK Rebirth game by Kuja and Abelius. Please go support their ongoing projects.
Deja vu.Yeah this is like remake number 5 of that game.
They never get finished. This one won't either. Same team same name same model looks like.
This will make it to version 0.0.8 and then we won't hear about it again unti LoK rebirth remake reimagined using all the same assets comes out as a 0.0.0.0.0.0 tech demo.