See, this is why many devs choose not to communicate at all. People twist what is being said into something completely different. I didn't say there will be no more content with Evelyn. Read my words again.
I am astounded by this game, it is exceptional at a level that only a few games achieve.
One thing I'd like to track in a little note book is who have I got my Charisma points from, and what level of secrets I've unlocked.
I was too pushy with Evelyn and she left. A long while later I realised what I'd done so I went back to a save, but now I can't keep straight what I've achieved in this run and what I'm recalling from the previous one.
Is there a way to see the tags? Belle , can you add a way to keep track of relationship status, would you even want to?
One thing I'd like to track in a little note book is who have I got my Charisma points from, and what level of secrets I've unlocked.
I was too pushy with Evelyn and she left. A long while later I realised what I'd done so I went back to a save, but now I can't keep straight what I've achieved in this run and what I'm recalling from the previous one.
Is there a way to see the tags? Belle , can you add a way to keep track of relationship status, would you even want to?
Without having doublechecked the code, I don't believe there is such a system of tracking that particular thing. Not directly, anyway. It can be extrapolated by comparing a bunch of different variables, but not easily, and not without being intimately familiar with the code (like I am).
I might add some way to keep track of this kind of thing in the future. We'll see.
Thanks. And seriously, mad props. This game is astounding.
And I want to do more with the pixie
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Belle
So first off, thank you for the game, it is awesome. This is my first post on these forums after playing 5-6 different renpy adult games.
Pros:
Your story is awesome. The flexibility in choices/relationships is awesome. The puzzles/investigation mechanic is awesome. The realistic looking and acting characters are awesome. Belle is awesome. Lack of meaningless grind is awesome. The ability to not play the endgame until you want to is awesome.(I hope that isnt temporary)
Cons:
Character animations are basic to non existent. Easy to get lost, side-tracked, and forget what you need to do. Background animation usage is basic to non existent. Lack of variety in NPCs, mostly physical, but plenty of leeway for personalities too.
Things I see you need, purpose is to appeal to the widest audience as possible... The purpose for that is so you get as much recognition as possible, for all the hours and work you have done. I cant see that any of my suggestions will take away from the game, but could add many hours of work for you depending on how the infrastructure was built. I am not a coder, or game developer, my opinion is strictly from the perspective of a gamer, who loves games. I am only going through the trouble of writing this because you went through the trouble of making it. I do not mean to dissuade anyone from playing, it is a great game.
Suggestions:
Using background animations to make the world seem more alive and 3d seems easy, and it might be lite on resources. Essentially make your background the same, just zoom in the camera a little and move it around the background as the scene develops. I think I saw this technique used a few times in your game for small things, like zooming in on things.
A hints mechanic would be wonderful. However you implement it, it should be multiple clicks to get to it, so it isnt easy to use all the time. Maybe have it character based, instead of quest or event based, so the hints can be more vague eg "Have you seen Callie lately?" instead of: "Look for letters on her table while she is gone to change clothes." The point is, us who like puzzles, dont like easy answers... but when we get stumped, we like even less reading through all the spoilers a guide/walkthrough provides. At the same time, not everyone enjoys puzzles, so adding this mechanic will allow them to still enjoy your game. If you really want to get complicated, you could have Belle give out hints based on the time since an objective tree has been touched... but that would be really cool. eg "Are you EVER going to get around to asking Primrose about her lie in the writing room?"
Your foreground animations leave too much imo to the imagination of the player. Moving a body, or worse the camera, back in forth a few times to represent sex is only slightly better than looking at an unmoving picture. I am not sure if you are allowed to borrow ideas from other games, but 'A House in the Rift' does these animations really well. Maybe you dont need it that good, but you can probably get some low cost and fast to implement ideas from it. The animations in that game are probably so good because they use really crappy/simple models.
Variety in physical features... I am not one, but some players enjoy unrealistic breast sizes. Others prefer the thicker ladies. This is an adult games, and players have expectations for their fantasy woman. Nell checks both the asian and petite boxes. Primrose is also petite, but less so than Nell. Callie checks the redhead box, but could easily be modified to check the huge breast one as well. It is an easy adjustment that could appeal to a wider audience.
Closing remarks,
You have a good game, but it could be great depending on how many hours you want to spend. It is all about cost analisys and time management. You can never make everyone happy, so dont try too or you will risk not making anyone happy. Most importantly, you need to be happy. Maybe the game now is a first draft, with polish to come later. If that is the case, I recommend taking a little more time and adding some polish before sharing it to the masses, as first impressions are very difficult to overcome. Thank you for sharing your time and money with us. I hope my remarks have at least been a tiny bit helpful.
So first off, thank you for the game, it is awesome. This is my first post on these forums after playing 5-6 different renpy adult games.
Pros:
Your story is awesome. The flexibility in choices/relationships is awesome. The puzzles/investigation mechanic is awesome. The realistic looking and acting characters are awesome. Belle is awesome. Lack of meaningless grind is awesome. The ability to not play the endgame until you want to is awesome.(I hope that isnt temporary)
Cons:
Character animations are basic to non existent. Easy to get lost, side-tracked, and forget what you need to do. Background animation usage is basic to non existent. Lack of variety in NPCs, mostly physical, but plenty of leeway for personalities too.
Things I see you need, purpose is to appeal to the widest audience as possible... The purpose for that is so you get as much recognition as possible, for all the hours and work you have done. I cant see that any of my suggestions will take away from the game, but could add many hours of work for you depending on how the infrastructure was built. I am not a coder, or game developer, my opinion is strictly from the perspective of a gamer, who loves games. I am only going through the trouble of writing this because you went through the trouble of making it. I do not mean to dissuade anyone from playing, it is a great game.
Suggestions:
Using background animations to make the world seem more alive and 3d seems easy, and it might be lite on resources. Essentially make your background the same, just zoom in the camera a little and move it around the background as the scene develops. I think I saw this technique used a few times in your game for small things, like zooming in on things.
A hints mechanic would be wonderful. However you implement it, it should be multiple clicks to get to it, so it isnt easy to use all the time. Maybe have it character based, instead of quest or event based, so the hints can be more vague eg "Have you seen Callie lately?" instead of: "Look for letters on her table while she is gone to change clothes." The point is, us who like puzzles, dont like easy answers... but when we get stumped, we like even less reading through all the spoilers a guide/walkthrough provides. At the same time, not everyone enjoys puzzles, so adding this mechanic will allow them to still enjoy your game. If you really want to get complicated, you could have Belle give out hints based on the time since an objective tree has been touched... but that would be really cool. eg "Are you EVER going to get around to asking Primrose about her lie in the writing room?"
Your foreground animations leave too much imo to the imagination of the player. Moving a body, or worse the camera, back in forth a few times to represent sex is only slightly better than looking at an unmoving picture. I am not sure if you are allowed to borrow ideas from other games, but 'A House in the Rift' does these animations really well. Maybe you dont need it that good, but you can probably get some low cost and fast to implement ideas from it. The animations in that game are probably so good because they use really crappy/simple models.
Variety in physical features... I am not one, but some players enjoy unrealistic breast sizes. Others prefer the thicker ladies. This is an adult games, and players have expectations for their fantasy woman. Nell checks both the asian and petite boxes. Primrose is also petite, but less so than Nell. Callie checks the redhead box, but could easily be modified to check the huge breast one as well. It is an easy adjustment that could appeal to a wider audience.
Closing remarks,
You have a good game, but it could be great depending on how many hours you want to spend. It is all about cost analisys and time management. You can never make everyone happy, so dont try too or you will risk not making anyone happy. Most importantly, you need to be happy. Maybe the game now is a first draft, with polish to come later. If that is the case, I recommend taking a little more time and adding some polish before sharing it to the masses, as first impressions are very difficult to overcome. Thank you for sharing your time and money with us. I hope my remarks have at least been a tiny bit helpful.
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U should make a review with this post (in the top of the page, u can see the *****, click in them with the number of * u want give to the game, and then copy and paste ur review and submit.
Ok so I'm completely stuck where to turn next because it seems like nothing is unlocking new clues or abilities.
Callie
- I seem to be missing a clue for the invade mind surrounding her lingerie thing with the nun
- I have nothing that fits when I need to say she sells other things like lingerie (she showed me the lingerie in a fashion show which I thought would do it but nope)
Crone
- where do I get a clue to claim she has a sister?
Nell
- information about potential mother for her big secret
Samara
- trying to successfully molest at night to earn respect to unlock more of her backstory but I don't have the agility I'm assuming
- I have 4/6 agility but nothing seems to increase it anymore
Evelyn
- where do I find out more about my family?
- clues seemed to point to the library but there are no more books to read
Where I'm at with items and abilities
- agility 4/6
- courage 4/4 currently available
- perversity 5/5 currently available
- charisma 3/6
- pathfinding 3/3
- skeleton key
Callie
- I seem to be missing a clue for the invade mind surrounding her lingerie thing with the nun
- I have nothing that fits when I need to say she sells other things like lingerie (she showed me the lingerie in a fashion show which I thought would do it but nope)
Crone
- where do I get a clue to claim she has a sister?
Nell
- information about potential mother for her big secret
Samara
- trying to successfully molest at night to earn respect to unlock more of her backstory but I don't have the agility I'm assuming
- I have 4/6 agility but nothing seems to increase it anymore
Evelyn
- where do I find out more about my family?
- clues seemed to point to the library but there are no more books to read
Where I'm at with items and abilities
- agility 4/6
- courage 4/4 currently available
- perversity 5/5 currently available
- charisma 3/6
- pathfinding 3/3
- skeleton key
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Visit her at night to see someone else apparently had the same idea (I think you need the knock pell for that), afterwards start to investigate
Primrose is a treasuretrove of knowledge... try binding with her and read a few of the books she suggested (not the Pervy ones)
Samara
Don't remember that to be a requirement... her main interest is in your strength so try to prove her you are a bull in the ring, other than that confront her with some of your findings and impress her with your deductive abilities
Spend time with her until she drops a clue (dinner), than ask your trusty encyclopedia named Primrose
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look around the store during one of her fashion shows
visit Leanan Sidhe a few times
you don't need to molest them. you need to convince her to let you win during your training
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Belle's patreon states that the next update will be released sometime in September/October.
I'm just going to jump in to categorically disagree with the above. Not to be belligerent, but because I really don't think this advice would be beneficial in practice. This game has some of the best 3d art in the genre, and it would very much be spoiled by gratuitious animation. At its best, foreground animation in these games is sporadic and crude (and that is no fault of the creators, but simply of a bad match with the technique and medium) and serves to fulfil a null purpose - I can assure you that most people can picture the motion of pelvic pounding rather better in their imagination than a simple back-and-forth body animation does in game. Background animation brings one of the minor issues I skipped with the foreground animations and makes it a major one; while a series of static images really does not seem off, contrasting them with minor animated elements does less to give a sense of life through the minor moving elements than it does to make the immobile elements seem stiff and static in comparison.
Where the quality of the art is severely lacking, as is tragically often the case, animation brings it towards just being really meh. Where the quality of the art is excellent, as is the case in the games I keep an eye on, animation brings it towards just being really meh. For one of these groups, that's a good thing, not so much for the other.
Spoil some great character designs to make them unrealistic, frankly, seems like terrible advice. I can't picture that you would get many people than are currently into this fantasic story-oriented and well put together game if you made Callie have to carry her tits around in a cart. Rather, I think that signicantly changing what will be a good few people's favourite character (whichever girl you pick) on such spurious grounds and radically interfering with what is currently a coherent and appreciated style would have the opposite effect. As is, there is certainly a variety of body shapes and statures, never mind enormously distinct personalities, and this has been realised with them being rather more whole and complete characters than just "this one needs to tick these fetish boxes".
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Charisma:
read a book. after that you need girls to like you
Evelyn: just make sure she doesn't run away when you confess your feelings. if there's a choice between dropping the subject and keep pushing it, drop it for now and try again later once you uncovered more secrets
Primrose: finish the murder investigation, talk to her in the afternoon until she asks you to come to the library at night
Nell: ask Nell to undress on the rooftop until you can kiss her. after the kiss she will ask to be your girlfriend, you'll get Charisma point either way but can fuck Nell only if you agree. might need to use Remove Inhibitions if Charisma is too low
Samarra: train Agility until it's maxed out and you can beat her in a duel. also need the last level of Invade Mind spell where you can uncover dark secrets. fuck her after the duel or you'll miss the point
Perversity:
read books, molest girls at night, visit Leanan Sidhe a few times
I just started making a mod tracking this type of stuff. It's not easy because that's the second time I'm making a mod and the first one was way less complex, so I don't know when I'll be done with it. Need to add Crone's secret, learned spells and replay the game a few times to see if I missed anything, which I'm sure I did because I'm no Belle.
Speaking of replaying, I decided to change the order in which I usually uncover secrets (mainly because I want to see if I can have sex with Evelyn before uncovering her small secret) and came across this scene which made me laugh. Cleaning the library in her underwear and kissing is ok, smiling is not, Primrose is weird
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