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Many major events, or series of events, will require massive rewrites, and maybe even entirely new scenes to glue things together. It's the kind of task that a developer would have to be crazy to undertake.
Maybe just abandon idea of NG+ and design next game with it in mind? It seems like too much hassle for LLtP with its linear-ish storytelling. People always could use gallery or replay game from the start.
 
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Racc0.0n

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Maybe just abandon idea of NG+ and design next game with it in mind? It seems like too much hassle for LLtP with its linear-ish storytelling. People always could use gallery or replay game from the start.
Agreed, unless NG+ means more scenes with Evelyn
 

Belle

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Maybe just abandon idea of NG+ and design next game with it in mind? It seems like too much hassle for LLtP with its linear-ish storytelling. People always could use gallery or replay game from the start.
LLtP was designed with NG+ in mind from the very beginning. Don't assume that I'm making all this up as I go. For example, the big scene I'm making for this update was planned out more than three years ago. I know what I'm doing.
 

emmasteadman

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Ok I seem to be out of the loop, what is NG+?
Also will we have an MC+Belle happily ever after ending as a possible route? :)
 

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Ok I seem to be out of the loop, what is NG+?
Restart the game with the MC retaining some or all of the progress they had made in the previous game (stats, maybe some magic effects, that kinda stuff). Probably tied into the story with some kinda time magic plot point. Enables access to content that won't be accessible on the first run of the game due to being stuck out of stat requirements before they're reachable and so on.
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I would say it is already beyond the realm of probability.
We are heading for a bleak ending right now.

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I would say it is already beyond the realm of probability.
We are heading for a bleak ending right now.

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Giving up a bit fast eh? You forgot to mention that there will be another chance to fight in thr kingwood where you can disrupt her with that lust spell and turn the fight around.

IT AN'T OVER UNTIL THE FAT LADY SINGS AND THAT BITCH IS WINDED SO SHE ISN'T SINGING!
 
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Giving up a bit fast eh? You forgot to mention that there will be another chance to fight in thr kingwood where you can disrupt her with that lust spell and turn the fight around.

IT AN'T OVER UNTIL THE FAT LADY SINGS AND THAT BITCH IS WINDED SO SHE ISN'T SINGING!
To be totally fair there had been several options for the future, based on the decisions so far...
Evelyn could have left you and the whole coronation behind, she could have comitted "suicide" or become a slave to Tadheus.
That lust spell is also only available if you are on good terms with Primrose as it seems... and only if you asked her for help on the day before (her rotting in a cell certainly wouldn't help you here).
And you likely wouldn't be able to invade the queens mind if you didn't figure out her relationship to the Crone and their past
Nell could be in the woods and be an unexpected ally or the old and weakened Fairy Queen would be fighting for her life and loosing...
So many dark futures if you fucked up enough... yet only one bright one if your preperations were sufficient
 

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Giving up a bit fast eh? You forgot to mention that there will be another chance to fight in thr kingwood where you can disrupt her with that lust spell and turn the fight around.

IT AN'T OVER UNTIL THE FAT LADY SINGS AND THAT BITCH IS WINDED SO SHE ISN'T SINGING!
By the time Dickon wakes up (after being branded a traitor) the news is already out that a Fey tried to kill the human Queen. There will be war.
Only way i can see to fix things is coming back in time with future knowledge.
 

Belle

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As I've pointed out before, it will be perfectly possible to achieve the best ending on your first playthrough, even without NG+. I had two core design philosophies behind the inclusion of NG+:

1) It should not be mandatory. If someone wishes to play through the game only once, they should feel fulfilled by that one playthrough.
2) NG+ must add something to the game, not just be a way for players to waste time and play the exact same game with improved stats.

What this means in practice is something you'll just have to wait and see.

I'm not about to go scorched earth and build a total downer of an ending here, by the way. We're currently at the end of act 2, the moment in the story where everything appears the darkest. The upcoming two updates represent a condensed act 3 where, quite possibly, hope may come back.
 

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Ok I seem to be out of the loop, what is NG+?
New Game+ Its a thing some games have where you go through it once and then get different options or abilities or some form of change for a later play through if you start the game with that option.
 

emmasteadman

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As I've pointed out before, it will be perfectly possible to achieve the best ending on your first playthrough, even without NG+. I had two core design philosophies behind the inclusion of NG+:

1) It should not be mandatory. If someone wishes to play through the game only once, they should feel fulfilled by that one playthrough.
2) NG+ must add something to the game, not just be a way for players to waste time and play the exact same game with improved stats.

What this means in practice is something you'll just have to wait and see.

I'm not about to go scorched earth and build a total downer of an ending here, by the way. We're currently at the end of act 2, the moment in the story where everything appears the darkest. The upcoming two updates represent a condensed act 3 where, quite possibly, hope may come back.
Sounds promising, what do you mean condensed though, is it shorter than Act One or Act Two?
Looking forward to the update in any case. :)

p.s. i miss the original Fairy Queen - boo hoo.
 

Belle

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Sounds promising, what do you mean condensed though, is it shorter than Act One or Act Two?
Looking forward to the update in any case. :)
If you're going to divide LLtP into a three-act structure, I'd say the first act is the tutorial (up until you get complete freedom), while act 2 ends where 0.32 stopped. Act 3 is versions 0.33 and 0.34, so it will obviously be quite a bit shorter than act 2.

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My aim is to make my players spill bodily fluids while playing my game. It seems I succeeded.
 
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