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Need pre-endgame help

Did everything but FQ's vision, but it seems like I'm missing clues. I know Nell is her sis, but there's no clue connecting a FQ to human baby daddy.
FQ isn't connected to human baby daddy, Nell is.

Has Sammarra's character finished? I've been putting off playing this game until all her stuff was in it. I know that the game is effectively complete and is mostly just being padded here and there atm, but what I want to know if we can expect Samarra to get any padding, if not I can start playing this soon..

Thanks!
based on road map dev posted she is finished but who knows maybe dev will pad her bit more.

will this be upgraded for latest versions
NopY.

can someone tell me why this is so popular game ? its nothing good in it for me. Please teach me, tell me why you like this game
fantasy vns are rare thing, this has good story and graphics, interesting chars, player has to do more than just click screen and make few selections since on this player really needs to work it to get into girls pants.

So the SS version doesn't have incest or am I missing something to put it back in game?
you mixed up versions, p version is incestless and ss incestious.
 
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So, im currently stuck at the interpreting the vision for the FQ, but i also cant seem to fuck Nell or Primrose, idk where I went wrong.

Help would be appreciated

do I need to do a ng plus, to know how to end?
 

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Mind you I'm only halfway through the game, but why are people so friendly/unguarded with truthsayers? It seems to me the default reaction to a walking lie detector by almost all characters that know what he is should range from deep discomfort to outright persecution, regardless of perceived competence. Even family would be keeping exchange of words short or have outright policies for not answering questions. Instead everyone seems super chatty and lie openly to the only known truthsayer in town without hint of hesitation or regret. And then act surprised when he knows they're full of it.

So far the story and world building seems well crafted for this type of game, which is why this particular flaw sticks out to me as a glaring oversight. In most porn games, the plot is so full inconsistencies and fake interactions that this wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. So kudos on that.
 
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Mind you I'm only halfway through the game, but why are people so friendly/unguarded with truthsayers? It seems to me the default reaction to a walking lie detector by almost all characters that know what he is should range from deep discomfort to outright persecution, regardless of perceived competence. Even family would be keeping exchange of words short or have outright policies for not answering questions. Instead everyone seems super chatty and lie openly to the only known truthsayer in town without hint of hesitation or regret. And then act surprised when he knows they're full of it.

So far the story and world building seems well crafted for this type of game, which is why this particular flaw sticks out to me as a glaring oversight. In most porn games, the plot is so full inconsistencies and fake interactions that this wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. So kudos on that.
For one, he's known to be pretty shit at it. For two, Pleading the fifth whenever you talk to a lie detector is supremely suspicious and will probably end up getting you into trouble, especially after a murder and preceding a VIP event.
 

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For one, he's known to be pretty shit at it. For two, Pleading the fifth whenever you talk to a lie detector is supremely suspicious and will probably end up getting you into trouble, especially after a murder and preceding a VIP event.
I mean in general, not just MC and not just during the course of this game and not just in relation to murder questions. Vast majority of people would not befriend or interact with mystical lie detectors, no matter the competence level. Especially not people with giant secrets who can't afford such risks. And for the few that do, almost certainly out of some obligation, they would at least have some kind of longstanding policy to make the relationship (colleague/friend/sibling/lover) work. No questions, short statements, keep every statement as broad as possible, written replies, etc.

And mind you to put it into perspective, polygraphs are inaccurate as hell and yet virtually no one would willingly attach themselves to one on a regular basis. People value privacy and do not appreciate things that threaten it. Truthsayers would for sure be stigmatized in some way if they have the inherent ability to expose people's deepest vulnerability. If they do put up with them, they certainly wouldn't be kind. And most likely, the stigma would be far more brutal as unlike most persecution they do have a good reason to hate. The only truthsayer in town would probably need protective detail at all times.
 
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cxx

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So, im currently stuck at the interpreting the vision for the FQ, but i also cant seem to fuck Nell or Primrose, idk where I went wrong.

Help would be appreciated

do I need to do a ng plus, to know how to end?
check walkthrough pdf, if you don't solve it before endgame you are fucked up.
 

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I mean in general, not just MC and not just during the course of this game and not just in relation to murder questions. Vast majority of people would not befriend or interact with mystical lie detectors, no matter the competence level. Especially not people with giant secrets who can't afford such risks. And for the few that do, almost certainly out of some obligation, they would at least have some kind of longstanding policy to make the relationship (colleague/friend/sibling/lover) work. No questions, short statements, keep every statement as broad as possible, written replies, etc.
You're applying our own world's moralities and expectations to a fantasy world. Not everything applies equally, and this isn't the only such situation. Truthsayers are an accepted part of society in this particular world and not feared. For the most part, anyway.

In Dickon's specific case, people have little faith in his truthsaying abilities throughout most of this story. The only person with any genuine truthsaying skill in town is (or was, until the arrival of Nell) Merek, and he mostly kept to himself.

Finally, some leeway has to be made to tell a story in a way that isn't frustrating. If everyone treated the MC like a scary outsider, the game wouldn't be much fun. It's similar to how the girls in this game don't really have any trouble with anal sex, for example. Sometimes you just need to gloss over certain aspects of reality in order to be entertaining.
 

cxx

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well callie didn't have anything against anal (quite opposite) nor nell.
 

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Welcome to the church persecution of any and all ney sayers (whitches, warloks, posessed)
Remember that assassin creed games portrayed what inquiry meant in the dark/middle ages:
torture to make the accused ”confess” to whatever the accusing torturer was mouthing.
Church ”inquisitors” - actualy torturers with power and money backed by the vatican,
would rub shoulders with rich philanderers who would get good graces if they stuck around the
torturer and could direct him towards torturing and murdering the opposing philanderer.
Until the torturer set his sights on his ”friends” and then murdered them.
For one, he's known to be pretty shit at it. For two, Pleading the fifth whenever you talk to a lie detector is supremely suspicious and will probably end up getting you into trouble, especially after a murder and preceding a VIP event.
I mean in general, not just MC and not just during the course of this game and not just in relation to murder questions. Vast majority of people would not befriend or interact with mystical lie detectors, no matter the competence level. Especially not people with giant secrets who can't afford such risks. And for the few that do, almost certainly out of some obligation, they would at least have some kind of longstanding policy to make the relationship (colleague/friend/sibling/lover) work. No questions, short statements, keep every statement as broad as possible, written replies, etc.

And mind you to put it into perspective, polygraphs are inaccurate as hell and yet virtually no one would willingly attach themselves to one on a regular basis. People value privacy and do not appreciate things that threaten it. Truthsayers would for sure be stigmatized in some way if they have the inherent ability to expose people's deepest vulnerability. If they do put up with them, they certainly wouldn't be kind. And most likely, the stigma would be far more brutal as unlike most persecution they do have a good reason to hate. The only truthsayer in town would probably need protective detail at all times.
You're applying our own world's moralities and expectations to a fantasy world. Not everything applies equally, and this isn't the only such situation. Truthsayers are an accepted part of society in this particular world and not feared. For the most part, anyway.

In Dickon's specific case, people have little faith in his truthsaying abilities throughout most of this story. The only person with any genuine truthsaying skill in town is (or was, until the arrival of Nell) Merek, and he mostly kept to himself.

Finally, some leeway has to be made to tell a story in a way that isn't frustrating. If everyone treated the MC like a scary outsider, the game wouldn't be much fun. It's similar to how the girls in this game don't really have any trouble with anal sex, for example. Sometimes you just need to gloss over certain aspects of reality in order to be entertaining.
Most of our history is made up of mock trials made by torturers to justify their murder.
 
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Tehemai

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You're applying our own world's moralities and expectations to a fantasy world. Not everything applies equally, and this isn't the only such situation. Truthsayers are an accepted part of society in this particular world and not feared. For the most part, anyway.

In Dickon's specific case, people have little faith in his truthsaying abilities throughout most of this story. The only person with any genuine truthsaying skill in town is (or was, until the arrival of Nell) Merek, and he mostly kept to himself.

Finally, some leeway has to be made to tell a story in a way that isn't frustrating. If everyone treated the MC like a scary outsider, the game wouldn't be much fun. It's similar to how the girls in this game don't really have any trouble with anal sex, for example. Sometimes you just need to gloss over certain aspects of reality in order to be entertaining.
Yea as I said, it's mostly just one peculiarity that stood out in an otherwise enjoyable story. I do think it's more than just a simple issue of fantasy moralities though, as even in fantasy humans tends to react like well... humans. Though not identical, general moralities tend to apply. Like when you tell them you read their diary or spied on them or something, they get distressed as you expect which demonstrates similar notions of personal space. It's even the basis behind the core invade mind mechanic. If they weren't concerned with their secrets being exposed, you'd never get to apply remove inhibitions. The story constantly shows they grasp privacy, hence the expectation is they would understand the constant threat of Truthsayers. Yet they rarely if ever show it.

I do totally get it though. As someone who's tried writing myself, I know that sometimes to make the game work you need to force some ill-fitting pieces together as getting every last one to click just perfectly is near impossible. Especially as more gets added. And the fact that it even sticks out is honestly a positive testament to your world building, as most such games put such little effort that logical consistency isn't even expected. So honestly, I hope you take this more as overall praise.
 
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