VN Others Long Story Short [v0.9a] [TTrickGames]

[Harem Trooper]

I tried the game but no mater how I choose I still get NTR with Vanessa. How is this avoidable ?
I picked Disable NTR. Is it buggest or just your regular "she is in relationship so its fine" type of excuse ?

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I tried the game but no mater how I choose I still get NTR with Vanessa. How is this avoidable ?
I picked Disable NTR. Is it buggest or just your regular "she is in relationship so its fine" type of excuse ?

It's that you don't understand what NTR is. It's not an excuse that she is in a relationship; it's a fact. Do you get jealous of your IRL friends when they have a girlfriend? Are they "taking" their own girlfriends/wives away from you? In the case of LSS, you may end up taking Vanessa from Joe. Until then, she's going to keep being Vanessa.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

I tried the game but no mater how I choose I still get NTR with Vanessa. How is this avoidable ?
I picked Disable NTR. Is it buggest or just your regular "she is in relationship so its fine" type of excuse ?

What excuse are you talking about? She's literally in a relationship with someone other than the MC.
Besides that going into the definition of NTR not even Joe gets NTR'd. Nobody's actually stealing her, except for the MC, Vanessa is just a slut. You can control how much she cheats on you and Joe after a certain point but if you're looking to make a ho into a housewife then you're gonna be a waiting a looooooooooooong time for that one. That's presumably her end game story on one of her paths.

My advice, don't treat this MC as a self insert. I still avoid all the NTR because self insert or not I don't like playing a cuck, but he's way to scummy to pretend to be him imo. At least if you're having fun he is.

 

[Harem Trooper]

What excuse are you talking about? She's literally in a relationship with someone other than the MC.

"she is in relationship so its fine", which I said in the same post and you even said it too.
Technicaly its not NTR but from self insert it is. It 0.8 and Vanessa keeps on fucking through the other guys in the whole town even when im on the no-ntr path with her. I mean we really must have our bar keeping this low to not see it that way.
Im not aware what happend in the NTR path tho.

You cant really control her. The only option you have is that she wont get fingered or that she wont have fun with her dildo, thats it and only if you picked the right choices. I saw comments that even if you fuck up here she will continue to fuck around even this late in the game. I mean after all the sex scenes you had to watch is kinda of pointless at this point and this late. Kinda the same if you have a "Vanilla" story where your LI is fucking through the whole story since she is not with you in relationship and you as the Player and from MC knowlage is aware of that and we shouldnt treat as cuckhold for some reason.

From what I saw and how it plays out I dont see anything to do with Romance and the whole fuckery thing is even forced in the non-ntr path.

 

[Harem Trooper]

It's that you don't understand what NTR is. It's not an excuse that she is in a relationship; it's a fact. Do you get jealous of your IRL friends when they have a girlfriend? Are they "taking" their own girlfriends/wives away from you? In the case of LSS, you may end up taking Vanessa from Joe. Until then, she's going to keep being Vanessa.

I know what NTR is. This site dont have "LI is fucking with other guys too"-tag. And such scenes get mixed in the NTR tag when its a Main Love interest. Vanessa is a LI, at least the story really tries to portray it that way, hence I said "she is in relationship so its fine" type of excuse from a story point if you want to have sex scenes with her. Lets be clear here, the game has focus on corrupting and fuckery. Be it that MC and his Buddy will share each other GFs, that MC cant help himself getting into scenarios where other people fuck or that there is no romance when even Ann gets corrupted even when Im not wanting it to.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I know what NTR is. This site dont have "LI is fucking with other guys too"-tag. And such scenes get mixed in the NTR tag when its a Main Love interest. Vanessa is a LI, at least the story really tries to portray it that way, hence I said "she is in relationship so its fine" type of excuse from a story point if you want to have sex scenes with her. Lets be clear here, the game has focus on corrupting and fuckery. Be it that MC and his Buddy will share each other GFs, that MC cant help himself getting into scenarios where other people fuck or that there is no romance when even Ann gets corrupted even when Im not wanting it to.

We could go back and forth on this, but a woman you want that has a boyfriend and is fucking him is not NeToRare or NeToRase, but it might turn into NeToRi where the MC will steal her from her boyfriend.


It's not a bug. This story is going exactly as TTrick wants it to. If you can't deal with the fact that other guys will have sex with their girlfriends, slam pieces, wives, etc., then it's not the VN for you.

 

[Harem Trooper]

but a woman you want that has a boyfriend and is fucking him is not NeToRare or NeToRase

Read again what I wrote. Its the same stick I see not only done in Adult manhwas but in doujinshi aswell, hence they get the NTR tag. For NTR, you dont need to be in relationship in the first place. Like I said, im well aware what NTR means.
But I dont want to start another pointless NTR debate so we agree to disagree. What I hate is that it was mentioned its avoidable which is not, but also the romance is non existent. Even with my low expectations I got dumbfounded how Ann got in the "Non-Slut" Path (the choice where you made if she should change or stay liker she is, which I picked).
But yeah, the whole focus on girls being sluts and MC continues to encounter scene after scene of what we can call voyeurism at beast and cuckholding(netorare) at worst. At least the desciption should be updated so people wont get fooled again.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Read again what I wrote. Its the same stick I see not only done in Adult manhwas but in doujinshi aswell, hence they get the NTR tag. For NTR, you dont need to be in relationship in the first place. Like I said, im well aware what NTR means.
But I dont want to start another pointless NTR debate so we agree to disagree. What I hate is that it was mentioned its avoidable which is not, but also the romance is non existent. Even with my low expectations I got dumbfounded how Ann got in the "Non-Slut" Path (the choice where you made if she should change or stay liker she is, which I picked).
But yeah, the whole focus on girls being sluts and MC continues to encounter scene after scene of what we can call voyeurism at beast and cuckholding(netorare) at worst. At least the desciption should be updated so people wont get fooled again.

For NTR, no, you don't need to be in a relationship. It could be the girl you've been pining after for years, your best friend knows it, and then he goes after her and fucks her anyway. THAT, yes, is NTR. She was "stolen" from you.

Joe, introducing you to HIS girlfriend he's been in a relationship for a while and fucking her, is NOT. Vanessa, being in a relationship with Joe, and fucking other dudes, is NOT NTR to MC.

Yeah, we can agree to disagree here. It's not going to go anywhere, you're still not going to like this story.

 

[dkitten]

When will I see some serious relationship with Emily? She's so hot asf

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

When will I see some serious relationship with Emily? She's so hot asf

Agreed. I think we're getting there. This last update seems to be setting it up.

 

[phreadom]

I tried the game but no mater how I choose I still get NTR with Vanessa. How is this avoidable ?
I picked Disable NTR. Is it buggest or just your regular "she is in relationship so its fine" type of excuse ?

It's that you don't understand what NTR is. It's not an excuse that she is in a relationship; it's a fact. Do you get jealous of your IRL friends when they have a girlfriend? Are they "taking" their own girlfriends/wives away from you? In the case of LSS, you may end up taking Vanessa from Joe. Until then, she's going to keep being Vanessa.

Etc...

We had this same problem in Area69 and I ended up making a separate thread to clarify the point because it keeps coming up.

You have these people who have this limited view of what NTR is based on their own interpretation, and then you have the broader view of NTR as it applies in the world of other media like video games, where the reason most people don't like it is because it is THEIR OWN feelings that are being affected, not necessarily the player in the game that is acting as their avatar.

https://f95zone.to/threads/ntr-in-area69.72019/

I go into it in a lot more detail there, but that's the same case here. It's the feelings of jealousy being provoked in you, the player, that are the problem, and these people just don't get it. Most of them no matter how many times you explain it.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

For NTR, no, you don't need to be in a relationship. It could be the girl you've been pining after for years, your best friend knows it, and then he goes after her and fucks her anyway. THAT, yes, is NTR. She was "stolen" from you.

Joe, introducing you to HIS girlfriend he's been in a relationship for a while and fucking her, is NOT. Vanessa, being in a relationship with Joe, and fucking other dudes, is NOT NTR to MC.

Yeah, we can agree to disagree here. It's not going to go anywhere, you're still not going to like this story.

It's sad that even after you explained to this numbskull that what he is describing is not NTR he still went on to leave a review of the game saying "NTR is not avoidable". What a prick.

 

[phreadom]

It's sad that even after you explained to this numbskull that what he is describing is not NTR he still went on to leave a review of the game saying "NTR is not avoidable". What a prick.

The comment literally directly above yours explains why you're mistaken.

 

[NewTricks]

While there may never be a settlement on this NTR debate, watching people twist themselves into pretzels and have conniption fits over it will never cease to be entertaining.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

The comment literally directly above yours explains why you're mistaken.

The comment above mine? So yours? How does it explain that i'm mistaken? The guy still went on to leave a review which straight up lies about "NTR not being avoidable". You can avoid any NTR you don't want to see, that's just a fact.

 

[phreadom]

The comment above mine? So yours? How does it explain that i'm mistaken? The guy still went on to leave a review which straight up lies about "NTR not being avoidable". You can avoid any NTR you don't want to see, that's just a fact.

I agree on that point. Someone else in the recent comments explained how you could tell her no and still get to fuck the girl upstairs. So the NTR is avoidable, you just have to choose the correct options apparently. (I haven't tested it myself, but I'll take your word and his on it.)

My point was the first part of your comment that insisted that it was actually NTR still, which is what I was replying to correct you on. It's not. It doesn't matter what the dev's intent was, or what you think it was... IF... and I mean IF it was you having to watch Mario fuck Vanessa when you didn't want it to happen, it would be NTR. It doesn't matter if your character in the game is in a relationship with her. It's that YOU want your avatar to have her only for himself, and YOU don't want to see her fuck another guy, or even know it's happening in a way that is clear and unavoidable etc. That's what I was pointing out.

For example this:

Then you've taken the whole self-insert thing way, waaaay too far. It's not ntr unless causing jealousy/alarm wrt sexual partners is explicitly the creator's intent. It's not bdsm unless they're explicitly roleplaying some kind of power imbalance. Some people may perceive power imbalances in normal porn, but that doesn't make it bdsm. Not to mention all types of porn assume a target audience who agree about the sexual practices involved. Otherwise it wouldn't be porn.

And while I'm at it, I think at least some anti-ntr activists, the most vocal ones anyway, use the ntr issue as a way to vent frustrations about not being able to roleplay some sort of trad wife political ideology through porno games. The entire debate around the definition of "ntr" is a placeholder. There is no other explanation for this level of tenacity and bile.

No, we're not. That's the whole point of playing the game. To use the character as your avatar. The situations in the game are meant for your enjoyment. Not the fictional character in the game that doesn't exist. You are using your avatar in the game to pursue those women by proxy. So when you are forced to watch a girl you've been romantically pursuing (or just for sex or whatever) get fucked by another guy, and you get unpleasant feelings about it, it's because you're being cucked. That's the point. It's you being forced to watch the virtual object of your interest, that you're pursuing by proxy through your avatar, be fucked or used for sex by another man.

It's all covered in the other thread and I'm not going to rehash it more here. Either you get it or you don't.

Again, in this game, as mentioned above, in that particular spot with Mario, apparently the NTR is actually avoidable. So the other person's argument was moot from the start. If you (your character in the game) LET her fuck another guy when she's not even your girlfriend, then you THE PLAYER can hardly whine about it being NTR.

I was just pointing out that the mods around here don't agree about the definition with many of the actual players. They share the "only in a relationship, only if the dev intends it, etc" pedantic view that is pretty useless in addressing what actually upsets most PLAYERS of GAMES where their proxy love interest is suddenly fucked by another guy and they can't stop it.

 

[chthonic_goat_666]

No, we're not. That's the whole point of playing the game. To use the character as your avatar. The situations in the game are meant for your enjoyment. Not the fictional character in the game that doesn't exist. You are using your avatar in the game to pursue those women by proxy. So when you are forced to watch a girl you've been romantically pursuing (or just for sex or whatever) get fucked by another guy, and you get unpleasant feelings about it, it's because you're being cucked. That's the point. It's you being forced to watch the virtual object of your interest, that you're pursuing by proxy through your avatar, be fucked or used for sex by another man.

Your fantasies about something are your personal business, but they cannot determine what that something is or isn't. Some people might fap to Frozen, that doesn't make it a porno. You're the one who is identifying yourself with the PC to such an extent that you feel like you're actually living their life. Likewise, you've chosen to expect your in-game self to abide by your personal definitions or opinions, even though you're consuming something that has already been created and you've had no part in creating it. If you think swinging/sharing is ntr, or any woman getting fucked by a man who isn't the PC is ntr, that's on you and completely irrelevant to both the game and it's creator.

Again, in this game, as mentioned above, in that particular spot with Mario, apparently the NTR is actually avoidable. So the other person's argument was moot from the start. If you (your character in the game) LET her fuck another guy when she's not even your girlfriend, then you THE PLAYER can hardly whine about it being NTR.

I just played through that part and all h-scenes are avoidable. But even if Vanessa fucks the guy while you're interested in her, it still isn't ntr because both of you agree to fuck other people beforehand. Well I guess Joe's getting cucked. In any case, intent is what matters not your personal metaphysics. Open relationships are not ntr.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

No, we're not. That's the whole point of playing the game. To use the character as your avatar. The situations in the game are meant for your enjoyment. Not the fictional character in the game that doesn't exist. You are using your avatar in the game to pursue those women by proxy. So when you are forced to watch a girl you've been romantically pursuing (or just for sex or whatever) get fucked by another guy, and you get unpleasant feelings about it, it's because you're being cucked. That's the point. It's you being forced to watch the virtual object of your interest, that you're pursuing by proxy through your avatar, be fucked or used for sex by another man.

This by proxy thing only works when the MC feels the same as the player. If the player is getting jealous about something that the MC doesn't care about then how can you claim they're your proxy to experience the world through? You can feel as unpleasant as you want but unless that's also how the MC feels that's entirely you.

This site's definition of NTR is extremely useful, but wrong. Your definition of NTR is both wrong and useless.
NTR just means you're getting your girl seduced or corrupted away from you, whether your gf or just any other romantic or platonic female relation. A slutty girlfriend who cheats on you on her own without being seduced isn't NTR because no one is stealing anything from you.
Your bestfriend having sex with his girlfriend isn't NTR because no one is stealing from you. It's just plain voyeurism, the jealousy is on you.

 

[JoeAngel]

The true Of bad Girl First of all she is sick Nympho
meaning Her feeling of guilt is OFF Second she chose to call the mc to get the excited feeling of taking her Friend BF before they be and also the Feel that she's doing something Wrong and that is cheating on her BF with his Best Friend Third For God Sake look at her Family They don't Have any clue that they have She Devil as daughter and she Enjoy this way to much for years
I do hope that she loves The mc and change But I guess this Naive Probably, as I said Nympho Can't Be Loyel if they can that would be awesome and good and all that
Love is Soul Bond & Lust is Blind act

 

[NewTricks]

Aren't you the guy who was sadge that Ann has a corruption path?

First, what is sadge? Second, my feelings about Ann's corruption path is that is it MUCH better than her shitty romance path where she hangs around the library and eventually decides to leave or something.