Ren'Py Completed Lord King [v1.6] [ArchonStudio]

[Knight 001]

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A few wrongs? Come on dude... You like her and that's ok but don't try to justify what she did by saying "nobody's perfect" and "she did a few wrongs". She did MAJOR wrong after MAJOR wrong and then laughed in your face that you can't do anything about it.

Tbh I'm not too sure if I like her or not, and while I can't but agree at the rest, I still wouldn't want to punish her any more because ultimately the goal should be to save your sister, or at least it would be for me.
The harem and whatnot it's just a plus to take along for the ride.
And by this I mean that:
She used you sure, but don't forget you used her aswell, thanks to her you now are a Lord, and you can keep being a Lord for now (I really hope to be able to make Vica the Queen) only because she's still willing to support you.
(That's my understanding of the story at least.)
I never expected anything more from Taina than to get the title.

 

[TheDevian]

Could you pls send me a save with that event?
I didn't knew that and I am new in the comunity

We did, you the search feature and you shall receive.

 

[Aidevilehelli]

I am not sure if you gave her to Pino, but keeping her, it is tied to a quest, where she gets kidnapped by her father, and she turns green when you go save her.

Yes. all those event you mention already happen. Is there anything after that?

 

[UnDeaD_CyBorG]

Ok, so I started a new run and kept Danka. Now, after the morning council, I get "danka_creamed not defined".
Now, the bug-fix script on the first page says to use it in case we let pino marry her, so that can't be it. So, what do I have to do to get it to work? Just set that to false or true?
Edit: I set that to False, and things worked for a while, but now the quest Danka's fate won't finish, and even though Tonk said she can visit the mc at night, there is no option to invite her.

 

[TheDevian]

Yes. all those event you mention already happen. Is there anything after that?

No, when you save her, it should be during that scene, and then she should be available after that. ^ might be a little bug. Not sure about that one, as I never saw the issue.

 

[eddie987]

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A few wrongs? Come on dude... You like her and that's ok but don't try to justify what she did by saying "nobody's perfect" and "she did a few wrongs". She did MAJOR wrong after MAJOR wrong and then laughed in your face that you can't do anything about it.

So, she made a teeny-tiny mistake that put the MC's life in danger and got some of her people killed, then she repeated that very same "mistake" (just for good measure I guess) once more and now shows no remorse about it!
But...but... She's also been fucking Megan! So you should find that hot and forgive her and if you're a good boy she might let you watch them! Of course you can also punish her really hard by... giving her an orgasm because... the dev definitely thought this through...

Joking aside, I'm pretty sure that we were supposed to find that kiss and her relationship with Megan (that for some reason was never mentioned again...) hot and forget everything Taina did, because "porn reasons", so the dev now is just improvising and he somehow manages to make Taina more unlikeable with each update.

I'm also sure that her monologue was supposed to be a "Taina is kissing your ass for being so smart and not acting impulsive" kind of thing, but he had to add the whole "I regret nothing" shit to justify the stupidity of her arc and made it look more like a "fuck you little bitch, you can't do shit to me" gloat instead...

 

[Famescua]

If you refer to the Taina's comments, I think it just depends on the opinion of who's playing.
Since I really wouldn't mind to just forgive her:

Spoiler: Everything she did was to -

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Obviously she doesn't make good plans because all her plans ultimately failed. As a person who plans she isn't very good. The only thing she had going for her was her anonymity, so she could continue making more plans. What value does she have as an ear if you can't trust her. You say it's not personal, well I happen to take you freeing 2 people who have tried to kill me numerous times very personal. Yes alot of people say she knew them for a long time and barely met you. I understand that, but after seeing how they were acting and the deaths they caused you have to be a pretty fucked up person to keep supporting them. Even after seeing that while in prison they talked about how the mc was right in not trusting them. That if free and taken out of the city they would just come back later and try to kill him again. I support my friends but if I see that they are causing the deaths of others well I couldn't support them afterwards. Taina just says oh well I did wrong I'm sorry but there is nothing you can do about it anyways. So yeah the dev has alot of work to do for people to forgive her. Also saying she never actively tried to hurt you, well that's kind of a cop out because she feed and told all your plans to 2 people who were actively trying to kill you.


Edit: this could have been partially avoided if the dev hadn't added that i regret nothing and there is nothing you can do about it. She should have said I'm sorry. I don't regret helping my friends, but I do regret that it put you and others in harms way. I think that would have softened up her character a bit and people would see her as someone who was confused about what she should do instead of seeing her as a traitor who didn't care about the mc.

 

[Cartageno]

Unspoken plot armor, yes, unfortunately it requires far too much suspension of disbelief. Sure, I can't kill her, but I can't torture her? I can't confine her to her room for instance under the pretext that she is too dangerous and have one of my friends torture her until she begs for mercy? Why? Because for some reason Dex and the queen are omniscient and omnipotent deities? They will just know I did something no matter what?

... or they will assume no matter what. If they (or their spies) don't see Taina around anymore, you might have to explain yourself. They don't need to know anything happened to her. They don't need to believe anything happened to her. Dex just needs a pretense, and if he can make it somewhat plausible that something may have happened, he may jump at it. This is not a system where the accuser has to prove beyond reasonable doubt or anything. They aren't an honor bound proud warrior race. Lawyering and sowing doubt just may not be good enough. Even if MC did nothing of the suggested things.

 

[Aidevilehelli]

No, when you save her, it should be during that scene, and then she should be available after that. ^ might be a little bug. Not sure about that one, as I never saw the issue.

Is this the end of the quest or there's a bug in the game?

 

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[Knight 001]

Obviously she doesn't make good plans because all her plans ultimately failed. As a person who plans she isn't very good. The only thing she had going for her was her anonymity, so she could continue making more plans. What value does she have as an ear if you can't trust her. You say it's not personal, well I happen to take you freeing 2 people who have tried to kill me numerous times very personal. Yes alot of people say she knew them for a long time and barely met you. I understand that, but after seeing how they were acting and the deaths they caused you have to be a pretty fucked up person to keep supporting them. Even after seeing that while in prison they talked about how the mc was right in not trusting them. That if free and taken out of the city they would just come back later and try to kill him again. I support my friends but if I see that they are causing the deaths of others well I couldn't support them afterwards. Taina just says oh well I did wrong I'm sorry but there is nothing you can do about it anyways. So yeah the dev has alot of work to do for people to forgive her. Also saying she never actively tried to hurt you, well that's kind of a cop out because she feed and told all your plans to 2 people who were actively trying to kill you.


Edit: this could have been partially avoided if the dev hadn't added that i regret nothing and there is nothing you can do about it. She should have said I'm sorry. I don't regret helping my friends, but I do regret that it put you and others in harms way. I think that would have softened up her character a bit and people would see her as someone who was confused about what she should do instead of seeing her as a traitor who didn't care about the mc.

Didn't they mostly fail because she didn't want to kill you ?
And yeah I would have preferred what you wrote in the edit a whole lot, considering that every time you go to punish Tania while she's in the harem she says "I'm sorry" and "forgive me" plenty of times but always accepts the punishment you want from her without rebelling.
She goes as far as saying "You can do whatever you want with me, [MC name]. Just ...Please, I hope you can forgive me."
So I did not like this new event since it gives mixed signals, but I thought of it more like her trying to save face where possible, like indirectly saying "I can be valuable pls don't kill me".


Also to be clear, this is what I understood from the story and my opinion, it's not any more valid than your opinion or anyone else's and I'm not trying to convince anyone otherwise, it's fine if we don't agree, that said I don't mind discussing it.

 

[Famescua]

Didn't they mostly fail because she didn't want to kill you ?
And yeah I would have preferred what you wrote in the edit a whole lot, considering that every time you go to punish Tania while she's in the harem she says "I'm sorry" and "forgive me" plenty of times but always accepts the punishment you want from her without rebelling.
She goes as far as saying "You can do whatever you want with me, [MC name]. Just ...Please, I hope you can forgive me."
So I did not like this new event since it gives mixed signals, but I thought of it more like her trying to save face where possible, like indirectly saying "I can be valuable pls don't kill me".


Also to be clear, this is what I understood from the story and my opinion, it's not any more valid than your opinion or anyone else's and I'm not trying to convince anyone otherwise, it's fine if we don't agree, that said I don't mind discussing it.

I can agree with your statement. Yes her initial plan failed because she refused to kill you. Although all her other plans weren't really all that great. She leaked all your Intel to her friends and then drugged the guard to free them. Not really much planning there. They failed because there wasn't much there to begin with. And the people who launched her plan were pretty dumb.

 

[Raziel_8]

... or they will assume no matter what. If they (or their spies) don't see Taina around anymore, you might have to explain yourself. They don't need to know anything happened to her. They don't need to believe anything happened to her. Dex just needs a pretense, and if he can make it somewhat plausible that something may have happened, he may jump at it. This is not a system where the accuser has to prove beyond reasonable doubt or anything. They aren't an honor bound proud warrior race. Lawyering and sowing doubt just may not be good enough. Even if MC did nothing of the suggested things.

And start a civil war in the city, when the horde is already there ? Even the queen should know better and hold Dex back...after all, her whole reason for granting the lordship to the MC was bringing order into nord.

The MC said infornt of the Queen that Taina is a traitor, as well that he won't kill her, but punishment of a traitor should be expected, prison the bare minimum, most likely followed harder punishment...if u as lord, do nothing to punish a traitor, even keep her at one most crucial position, what shows that to all others ?
Only weakness and stupidity.

 

[Rocc46]

I am actually wondering why is dev giving Taina this plot armor. What this update proved is that she can literally do no wrong. Like whatever she does, she'll get away with it, no matter how bad her actions are. It clearly doesn't make sense and he's just making up stuff on the go like that "unspoken rule" bullshit. But why? This is just straight up bad writing and I just don't know why is he going along with this ridiculous plot. There must be a reason even though I don't see it.

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

Yeah not like that rules or laws have much meaning for those in power, or want more power. U can't do something in the open, than it's cloak and dagger approach.
There are so many ways Taina could die, without the MC being blameable for anything...
-Like Ully as she poisoned the food/drinks (and here none gave fuck that women have died), would be a shame if someone trys to poisen the MC and they got Taina by accident.
-One of the Soldiers found out, that do to her betreyal, his friends or family died and so he seeks revenge. While he was killed, Taina succumbed to her injuries shortly after.
-An ''ambush'' of bandites/or rebellius slaves
-An assassination attempt on the MC's life, evidence points that it was orchestrated by Fu, Taina died heroically as she took a bullet, which was meant for the MC, in the subsequent firefight all of the assasins were killed.
At the very moving burial, infront the gathered citizens of Nord, the Lord swears, that he will bring Fu to justice...

Not to mention, even without breaking the rule, which she mocks MC about, u could easily make her life so miserable, that death would look like a mercy kill in comparison.

Are you a fellow Crusader Kings player?

 

[Renart]

... or they will assume no matter what. If they (or their spies) don't see Taina around anymore, you might have to explain yourself. They don't need to know anything happened to her. They don't need to believe anything happened to her. Dex just needs a pretense, and if he can make it somewhat plausible that something may have happened, he may jump at it. This is not a system where the accuser has to prove beyond reasonable doubt or anything. They aren't an honor bound proud warrior race. Lawyering and sowing doubt just may not be good enough. Even if MC did nothing of the suggested things.

They can assume whatever they please, truth of the matter is that my people love me, else that whole mini game of liking or hating you as a ruler is pointless, the dev would have a pretty good opportunity to actually use it and have the people stick by you. Regardless, your average joe won't start to question you because he does not care about Taina or who rules them as long as their life is good, so when people start shooting with the Horde outside the queen would've sealed her fate. If the MC as much as SUSPECTS she is up to something, he can simply join the horde and give them intel(no need to drag the soldiers and all those with him at all), taina can't rule so there will be chaos on who gets to marry her or claim the north, either way it is bad for the queen and Dex to act against the MC in any way at this point.

But the discussion itself is pointless, all of these are just excuses in the end, the fact of the matter is that we don't punish Taina in any way because the dev does not allow us to, it is as simple as that, just as how reasons were found for this predicament, reasons could be found for a more... satisfying one. I cannot even understand the queen's problem in all of this, Taina has been trying to take power, that was her whole plan, the queen does not want other women to hold any power so why would she even care what happens to Taina to begin with, to her you are just one lord she can dispose of later so it's not that she fears the MC or anything.

Edit: Now that I think about it why couldn't we trade Taina for our sisters if the queen and dex love her that much?

 

[Raziel_8]

Are you a fellow Crusader Kings player?

Yes and how i'd wish we could do the same things to Taina and Megan than we could do in CK, or have some of the nice murder schemes.
Or Dex, just imagine him captured, thrown into prison, blinded, castrated, tortured again and again, only to decapitate him or burning him at the stake, at the end (and if he would have a wife or daughter we could cuck him and impregante her or capture her and force her to be a concubine before killing him)

 

[TheDevian]

Is this the end of the quest or there's a bug in the game?
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It should not be, no, but some people seem to be having an issue with that one. It was supposed to trigger a long time ago, during her father's quest.

I am not sure what the issue is with it, I am not a coder, so unless someone else figures it out, we will have to wait for him to get back and figure it out...

 

[Cartageno]

They can assume whatever they please, truth of the matter is that my people love me, else that whole mini game of liking or hating you as a ruler is pointless, the dev would have a pretty good opportunity to actually use it and have the people stick by you. Regardless, your average joe won't start to question you because he does not care about Taina or who rules them as long as their life is good, so when people start shooting with the Horde outside the queen would've sealed her fate. If the MC as much as SUSPECTS she is up to something, he can simply join the horde and give them intel(no need to drag the soldiers and all those with him at all), taina can't rule so there will be chaos on who gets to marry her or claim the north, either way it is bad for the queen and Dex to act against the MC in any way at this point.

Ad (1) I may be missing something (and in this case honestly missing it) but where do you get that the people love us? We have the weekly report with their "attitude" given as a number, but as far as we know that is to stop them from rebelling which is a long way removed from actually "loving" you. And we probably do not even have this number maxed out since that would keep us from meeting some girls. People will go along with you but will they care if you were to be replaced? But yes, it is true, as long as you provide the necessities, average Joe may not be interested at all in political shenanigans. However, the (perceived) legitimacy of a ruler is something people in different ages have often cared about.

Ad (2) Conflict with North may be bad for the queen but it would also be bad for MC. History is of course full of cases where the fact that it would be bad for both parties did stop escalation - and it is also full of cases where this did not stop people. Being too sure that somebody will not hurt you because they would also hurt yourself may easily backfire. I don't care about what happens to the queen in this scenario, but about what happens to MC. And the truth of the matter is that Taina is a way to strengthen his position. It may not be needed indeed, but then again it may.

But your next point is indeed the crux of the matter.

But the discussion itself is pointless, all of these are just excuses in the end, the fact of the matter is that we don't punish Taina in any way because the dev does not allow us to, it is as simple as that, just as how reasons were found for this predicament, reasons could be found for a more... satisfying one.

Indeed it could have (even though I do not subscribe to "just killing her" as the most satisfying conclusion), just as the plot itself could go to hell and back as far as I care. But as you said, these are dev decisions. And a dev does not need an excuse to do as they please with their story. There are no excuses needed. This discussion in my remembering started as "the story as presented by the dev is illogical within the world" and I will hold that it is not.

Edit: Now that I think about it why couldn't we trade Taina for our sisters if the queen and dex love her that much?

I very much doubt they care for Taina at all. That's just the impression they will give. She is just another pawn in the game, in this case one that is protecting you. And Dex would love for the pawn to be gone but cannot say so. And yes (referring to a different post), these kinds of things have happened even within the wake of an invading force or other hardship. Dex is scheming and interested in his personal power. I doubt he even gives a shit whether the horde can be repelled as long as he sees some future where he thinks he has personal gains from it. He most probably wouldn't, but these people tend to fall into that trap easily.

 

[anica_heuse]

nice