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Of course not. We weren't allowed to let anyone get closer than 10 meters from us, before they could identify themselves and not just by name. We had code numbers and a code word that changed every day. It's the army dude, no a summer camp. I carried a loaded rifle with a bayonet attached on it when I was on guard. If I'd let anyone touch me (and I mean even a simple tap on the shoulder) while caring it, I'd be in trouble. Like I said, there were higher ranked officers who had to check on us every once in a while and even if we knew them, even if we were friends with some of them, we had to go through the code exchange before they could get anywhere close to us. I'm nowhere near a warzone and I wasn't in any type of special corps by the way. I served right after college and based on my degree, I was positioned in engineers arm. Easy shit even compared to standard infantry. That's why I keep saying how incompetent the guards must be to let something like that happen. You can't be a fucking soldier and not be aware of your surroundings. And in my case the absolutely worst thing that could happen, would be to be forced to serve a few extra days after my term, nothing close to risking my life.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect the game to be realistic, but it should be consistent. So saying that Taina will be guarded, doesn't say much after the guards already proved themselves useless...
Pretty hard to identify someone through a closed door.

Nor do we have current military standards, they are led by wastelanders.
 
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Pretty hard to identify someone through a closed door.

Nor do we have current military standards, they are led by wastelanders.
It's actually easier. If they don't speak up or you don't recognize their voice, you don't let them in. And if the door isn't locked, you don't stand right next to it. It has nothing to do with military standards, it's common sense to have the exits covered. He was guarding the most dangerous criminals in the area, not a shoplifter.

Now I can accept what you said about their low military standards, but that mean that you should also accept what I've been saying all this time. Having someone with those low standards guarding a traitor doesn't make that much of a difference than letting said traitor run free and continue doing whatever the fuck they've been doing all this time.
 
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TheDevian

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It's actually easier. If they don't speak up or you don't recognize their voice, you don't let them in. And if the door isn't locked, you don't stand right next to it. It has nothing to do with military standards, it's common sense to have the exits covered. He was guarding the most dangerous criminals in the area, not a shoplifter.

Now I can accept what you said about their low military standards, but that mean that you should also accept what I've been saying all this time. Having someone with those low standards guarding a traitor doesn't make that much of a difference than letting said traitor run free and continue doing whatever the fuck they've been doing all this time.
And if they have a key....?

Again, the guards were not on the lookout for her, so they let her pass. This would no longer the case...

Also, we have Megan, whom we can execute if she does anything we don't like.
 

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And if they have a key....?


Again, the guards were not on the lookout for her, so they let her pass. This would no longer the case...
So the guard who was looking over Megan and Tsug is either deaf or stupid and the rest of the guards who saw Taina heading to their direction right before they escaped, lied to the MC or decided not to tell him. If that's the case, everyone who was on guard that night are also traitors and they should be executed right in front of Taina to show her just a small part of the consequences her lies have.

Seriously though, you can't have it both ways. You can't say that everyone fucked up because they "didn't know any better" and their training standards are low, but now they'll suddenly become top tier soldiers and guard her with their lives just because the MC told them so.

Also, we have Megan, whom we can execute if she does anything we don't like.
Yeah, sure... The dev showed his intentions for Megan with that kiss, Taina accepted without batting an eyelash.
 

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So the guard who was looking over Megan and Tsug is either deaf or stupid and the rest of the guards who saw Taina heading to their direction right before they escaped, lied to the MC or decided not to tell him. If that's the case, everyone who was on guard that night are also traitors and they should be executed right in front of Taina to show her just a small part of the consequences her lies have.
You really have an interesting discussion going on here (no irony, it is interesting to read both sides' arguments) but in the end I think you're overcomplicating it. (Not in the "why do you care in a porn game?" way - I certainly do care in a porn game so I am happy others are too.) We have an untrained force (not talking about the "100% experience here) with more than likely non existing procedures in a wild enough setting when it comes down to factions. There's two ways a simple guard soldier can handle this: paranoia, or grab any straw you see. Taina is/was one of the highest ranking people in your realm. If you chose the second path, you do not distrust her and you do not question her. There are enough ways for people in her standing - and having accomplices - to outwit guards. Even if we will not find a specific way, this can happen without blaming the guard too much. Especially in regimes like this - while the MC ruling North does not seem to be the worst that can happen, the whole situation screams of dictators and their entourage who will willy-nilly off somebody who looks strange at them. So with the right people a guard may actively try not to look. Or it may have been different altogether. Even if we don't know the specifics, for me this specific part is far removed from being a problem.
 
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You really have an interesting discussion going on here (no irony, it is interesting to read both sides' arguments) but in the end I think you're overcomplicating it. (Not in the "why do you care in a porn game?" way - I certainly do care in a porn game so I am happy others are too.) We have an untrained force (not talking about the "100% experience here) with more than likely non existing procedures in a wild enough setting when it comes down to factions. There's two ways a simple guard soldier can handle this: paranoia, or grab any straw you see. Taina is/was one of the highest ranking people in your realm. If you chose the second path, you do not distrust her and you do not question her. There are enough ways for people in her standing - and having accomplices - to outwit guards. Even if we will not find a specific way, this can happen without blaming the guard too much. Especially in regimes like this - while the MC ruling North does not seem to be the worst that can happen, the whole situation screams of dictators and their entourage who will willy-nilly off somebody who looks strange at them. So with the right people a guard may actively try not to look. Or it may have been different altogether. Even if we don't know the specifics, for me this specific part is far removed from being a problem.
Then you're going back to my original point. Having someone guard her, doesn't mean jack shit, since the dude can be either incompetent or under her influence. So you're basically having a traitor keep doing exactly what she's been doing so far, just with the addition of her sucking the MC's dick in the evenings, if you feel like it...
 

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So the guard who was looking over Megan and Tsug is either deaf or stupid and the rest of the guards who saw Taina heading to their direction right before they escaped, lied to the MC or decided not to tell him. If that's the case, everyone who was on guard that night are also traitors and they should be executed right in front of Taina to show her just a small part of the consequences her lies have.

Seriously though, you can't have it both ways. You can't say that everyone fucked up because they "didn't know any better" and their training standards are low, but now they'll suddenly become top tier soldiers and guard her with their lives just because the MC told them so.



Yeah, sure... The dev showed his intentions for Megan with that kiss, Taina accepted without batting an eyelash.
All I a saying is that they trusted her before, now they do not. They will be watching her more carefully now.
Either way, I see no point in continuing this, I can't say it any more succinctly than that, it is not a complicated concept.
 

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All I a saying is that they trusted her before, now they do not. They will be watching her more carefully now.
Either way, I see no point in continuing this, I can't say it any more succinctly than that, it is not a complicated concept.
And all I'm saying is that you don't know who's under her influence and who's not (again the MC is an outsider, while they know Taina her whole life) and if they have the tendency to fuck up (Do I need to remind you how the MC became the Lord or how Danka left to meet her father without anyone noticing? Megan's escape wasn't their first fuck up... The soldiers in the game's universe seem to be at a stormtrooper level of intelligence and competence), they'll most likely fuck up again. That's not complicated either.
 

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And all I'm saying is that you don't know who's under her influence and who's not (again the MC is an outsider, while they know Taina her whole life) and if they have the tendency to fuck up (Do I need to remind you how the MC became the Lord or how Danka left to meet her father without anyone noticing? Megan's escape wasn't their first fuck up... The soldiers in the game's universe seem to be at a stormtrooper level of intelligence and competence), they'll most likely fuck up again. That's not complicated either.
You also don't know who is under Dex's influence, or the Queen's, or Fu's, or... Already supposedly fired everyone and hired new ones, I assume Tink is the one who did it, at least for the guards... Only so much you can do.

The player isn't the brightest guy either. But like I said, the reasons to keep her on her post go beyond story, and what is logical due to game mechanics, sometimes you just have to go with it. Suspend disbelief.
 

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It would Be nice to abuse the love birds and make them watch each other getting used and abused. Clockwork orange eyes stuck open style.
I guess for the one who likes those things. I already skip all Ully's content (I read the texts the first time, and after that I activated "Skip unseen text" and used Ctrl). And for now I have avoided visiting Vica (I did the same skip option with her first scene and will do the same the next). I can't say that I know anything about what happened in this scenes (the button works very well, it skips scenes very quickly and I haven't even been able to know nothing about it). For now, the only girl that interests me is Taina, so far I haven't reached the part of the betrayal, but, it depends on how it is, I could lose all interest in continuing it.
 

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You also don't know who is under Dex's influence, or the Queen's, or Fu's, or... Already supposedly fired everyone and hired new ones, I assume Tink is the one who did it, at least for the guards... Only so much you can do.

The player isn't the brightest guy either. But like I said, the reasons to keep her on her post go beyond story, and what is logical due to game mechanics, sometimes you just have to go with it. Suspend disbelief.
The new ones fucked up with Danka and Megan and I'm sure something else that I'm forgetting right now. What's the point of having this big "who's the traitor" story if in the end everything goes back exactly to how it was. The only difference now is that Tsug is dead instead of forgotten in a cage and the MC can get a blowjob from Taina, a lot of people will just ignore, because they don't like her anymore.

Anyway, fuck this. Let's agree to disagree and move on. I've already spend more time than I should, talking about an arc I'll probably skip entirelly from now on, because no matter how I see this, it doesn't make any sense to me and I've lost all interest in the character it's mainly about. I hate plot holes, but it's really not worth spending any more time talking about this.
 

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I guess for the one who likes those things. I already skip all Ully's content (I read the texts the first time, and after that I activated "Skip unseen text" and used Ctrl). And for now I have avoided visiting Vica (I did the same skip option with her first scene and will do the same the next). I can't say that I know anything about what happened in this scenes (the button works very well, it skips scenes very quickly and I haven't even been able to know nothing about it). For now, the only girl that interests me is Taina, so far I haven't reached the part of the betrayal, but, it depends on how it is, I could lose all interest in continuing it.
Ully's and Vica's scenes change from where they begin just an FYI. I get that everyone has different kinks. But in both of those cases the scenes eventually seem "loving" especially with Vica.
 
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Ully's and Vica's scenes change from where they begin just an FYI. I get that everyone has different kinks. But in both of those cases the scenes eventually seem "loving" especially with Vica.
I'm still not sure about Vica tbh. She used to be my favourite at one point, but she seems a bit too "thirsty for power" from time to time. For me the ones showing they actually care for the MC so far are Lori, Cat and Danka. I think Pamela (I'm not sure that's her name, the thief who keeps getting caught) is getting there too, even if they have this... inconventional relationship. All that depending on the way you play of course. I'm trying to be a dick only to those who deserve it.
 

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Ully's and Vica's scenes change from where they begin just an FYI. I get that everyone has different kinks. But in both of those cases the scenes eventually seem "loving" especially with Vica.
I don't think it changes my intention to skip the scenes, I directly don't like them even though at some point they may seem "loving" it. In fact, for my part I would completely avoid those characters (I don't want call them LIs) if I could, but I suspect that this isn't posible. What I'm not interested in at all is to see this scenes, and using Ctrl the scene passes in a second without you knowing anything of what has happened, which is really what I want.
 
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I'm still not sure about Vica tbh. She used to be my favourite at one point, but she seems a bit too "thirsty for power" from time to time. For me the ones showing they actually care for the MC so far are Lori, Cat and Danka. I think Pamela (I'm not sure that's her name, the thief who keeps getting caught) is getting there too, even if they have this... inconventional relationship. All that depending on the way you play of course. I'm trying to be a dick only to those who deserve it.
Fair enough. I enjoy all the women tbh in their own way. But was mainly just commenting on them two because it went from reluctance to hunger with both. It was not a comment on my favorite(s). My #1 will always be Lori


I don't think it changes my intention to skip the scenes, I directly don't like them even though at some point they may seem "loving" it. In fact, for my part I would completely avoid those characters (I don't want call them LIs) if I could, but I suspect that this isn't posible. What I'm not interested in at all is to see this scenes, and using Ctrl the scene passes in a second without you knowing anything of what has happened, which is really what I want.
Ok I think I understand.
No offense meant. :)
 
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