VN Ren'Py Abandoned Lord of Imagination [Ep. 4.5 NTR] [AgentGames]

[Avaron1974]

I agree, when the game is oriented to ntr it is very difficult (impossible?) to create a non-ntr path, on the other hand, the other way around it is possible because the game is not ntr and the scenes are annexed without much problem, because they are not "canonical" there are no problems.

The same luck to the dev and if he returns it to ntr that he does it well for the fans of the same one to enjoy it.

Slightly wrong and that's where the problem is.

Only the first part of the game was aimed at NTR after that the MC got powers to defend the women and fight back.

The problem there is only NTR fans would be playing which would slightly kill the story.

I'll add "My Hunting Adventure" to that.

I thought that was a hard NTR game.

I avoided that because that's what people told me it was. I don't mind NTR but it's not my thing so didn't bother with it.

 

[Rythan25]

I still have no idea what causes that paranoia around NTR. Are porn game players just immersing themselves so much that the characters become their family? They could play D&D and probably be amazing with this much roleplaying, although they could really hurt somebody if something bad happened.

It depends on which side you ask...

The NTR Side - They are starting to toss around a lot of personal insults that I hope the mod/staff on this site eventually punish as harshly as they did the other side. Anyway, they will say that the other side are a bunch of "incels" (using the term wrong) and either self-insert (blatant lie for most players), or get too attached to pixels.

The Anti Side - They will call the other side "cucks", and talk about how in RL they would allows anyone to do sexual things to their loved ones too...

The gist of it is that the people in the center (most players) play games to "win", not to loose, would you play Skryim if people said you better let yourself get killed by the first enemy every time ? is that fun ?

There is also the fact that NTR is written horribly... you get a nice guy MC (sometimes) dude works 18 hours a day to support his family, doesnt want to fuck them sometimes, and is overall a nice guy... his reward in NTR games ? Jamal who is human scum comes with his BBC and fucks everything the MC loves while talking about how he doesnt shower or have a job but is the true winner in life... I mean come the fuck on... Someone like that would be on the losing side of a 'cucking" in RL 9/10...

 

[Gervoh]

so im wrong based in your own judgement, i cant have my own=? for me i see the gf kinda slut and as avaron said is kinda based in choices, yet still some of the text before you get the choices to do ntr or not is still kinda slut in a way, if not then go play the game from the start and read carefully the way she acts and what she thinks at times.

Guess it's time to introduce you to the real world - people have dirty thoughts about a lot of things. Women think about how hot guys look and check their bulges and asses while men think about how hot girls look and check out their boobs and asses. Also, another news flash, people can be slutty even when they are in a relationship because being in one doesn't mean they will turn into a perfect being. They still have their flaws that they might've had before. Lets not go and call emotional cheating NTR because she doesn't act upon any of those thoughts herself - you and your choices have to force her.

 

[ijako3]

so im wrong based in your own judgement, i cant have my own=? for me i see the gf kinda slut and as avaron said is kinda based in choices, yet still some of the text before you get the choices to do ntr or not is still kinda slut in a way, if not then go play the game from the start and read carefully the way she acts and what she thinks at times, take a example even after rejecting his ex bf, she still goes to do photos with him and while you can choose to model less slut she still pose kinda open in a way.

Well we are going into little offtopic, but im telling you that you are wrong based on my experience with this game and every route i explored after the newest update, non ntr, ntr with walkthrough and without walkthrough.

Even in Walkthrough you have it exaplained that you can completely avoid modeling scenario and such things and declining certain options closes the door for this certain path.

 

[Gervoh]

Slightly wrong and that's where the problem is.

Only the first part of the game was aimed at NTR after that the MC got powers to defend the women and fight back.

The problem there is only NTR fans would be playing which would slightly kill the story.



I thought that was a hard NTR game.

I avoided that because that's what people told me it was. I don't mind NTR but it's not my thing so didn't bother with it.

I thought so too until I played the non-NTR version. The characters are completly different, for example, MCs best friend does the cucking and he corrupts all the woman MC knows - his family, interests etc. But in the non-NTR he's a caring friend that was raised by MCs mom and cares for her, telling MC to keep an eye on her "new boyfriend" - that's us but he doesn't know - and the MC overall does a lot of work to help people and gets rewarded for that.

 

[loikl]

Slightly wrong and that's where the problem is.

Only the first part of the game was aimed at NTR after that the MC got powers to defend the women and fight back.

The problem there is only NTR fans would be playing which would slightly kill the story.

If what you say is true and the game is not oriented to our future (or to the MC losing without more) then all this discussion is stupid, and could be avoided very easily only commenting that after the scene the MC can get revenge and avoid the following scenes (at least I would not have problems with seeing the scene if you can get revenge later).

By what I mean is what you meant.

 

[RedPillBlues]

I thought that was a hard NTR game.

I avoided that because that's what people told me it was. I don't mind NTR but it's not my thing so didn't bother with it.

Its 50/50, but personally the romance isn't very good, so I'm not use you would like it.

 

[Deleted member 15555]

Guess it's time to introduce you to the real world - people have dirty thoughts about a lot of things. Women think about how hot guys look and check their bulges and asses while men think about how hot girls look and check out their boobs and asses. Also, another news flash, people can be slutty even when they are in a relationship because being in one doesn't mean they will turn into a perfect being. They still have their flaws that they might've had before. Lets not go and call emotional cheating NTR because she doesn't act upon any of those thoughts herself - you and your choices have to force her.

i never did take a ntr choice, and thats my way of seeing things, i did not like it so i did put it in ignore list, end of story and i dont see how thats is any concern of yours, is my decisión to play whatever i want and judge by myself.

 

[desmosome]

Guess it's time to introduce you to the real world - people have dirty thoughts about a lot of things. Women think about how hot guys look and check their bulges and asses while men think about how hot girls look and check out their boobs and asses. Also, another news flash, people can be slutty even when they are in a relationship because being in one doesn't mean they will turn into a perfect being. They still have their flaws that they might've had before. Lets not go and call emotional cheating NTR because she doesn't act upon any of those thoughts herself - you and your choices have to force her.

If you turn off NTR in "Where it all began", she doesn't even get those thoughts. She is loyal if you treat her well. This dude is complaining that the mother in this game was a stripper in the past and saying thats NTR. You can't reason with some people.

 

[xXwankerXx]

There is no 'hidden NTR' - it's just your imagination that makes you think something happens behind your back. The demon clearly says that they were only talking and even explains it by drawing our attention to Sara's behavior - she didn't have a chance to relief her sexual tension (hint - because no one fucked her!)

It still seems pretty one-sided tho ... so u have 2-3 paths that lead to NTR with the mom getting banged and 1 where the MC kinda gets banged instead of his mom... literally that's a tough motherfucker to choose from, bois. But you have too many paths and it could affect the development of the story.

The project has great potential with all the mafia shit, spells to fuck without repercussions and sexy demons but lacks the plot or has many ridiculous moments which kinda remind me of Sinful delicacies ... u find yourself caught in a mafia hit and the mobsters let u go instead of taking u to their boss, u a witness FFS. Lol they give u their number like "Call or contact us on social media ASAP motherfucker, we know were u live" And our boy just calls them at the request of the demon lady, meets with their boss, brings him home(they take a walk like they homies) for a trust test (a fucking hot bitch mom seems to earn his trust) then he has to choose from siding with him for a bj while the dude fucks his mom and creampies her or side with the mother while she whacks him one and the dude still get to fuck her ... now the MC can punch the black dude just to get his ass handed to him ... what next ?? He trains to obtain the Ultra Instinct ?? A fan-service way of non NTR would've been to punch him, shove his gun up his ass and unload all the bullets in a "creative creampie" kind of style and then bang the mother mwahaha.

You could've made the black dude have the MC fuck a random woman at his choice to earn his trust... the math teacher for ex. and evade all the NTR/non-NTR shitstorm. With that being done, the MC starts doing small jobs earning the mobster's trust and become his right-hand man or runs away with his mom and GF. Now the whole premise makes it a scenario that goes very good or very the bad for the MC. If you still confused with the plot, try reading other users opinions on the project and select what suits u best... there's many people who make some constructive criticism beyond the usual "I love NTR/Fuck NTR" logic.

And if u think ONLY NTR with little non-NTR action brings u cash, think twice about it, homes ... just imagine ICSTOR bringing NTR to Milfy even if it's just for Caroline and Linda after 0.6 ... his whole income is fucked ... and if he a scammer what are gumdrop and Aorrta ?? gumdrop with ZERO NTR makes 8-9k/month for quite some time and released shit in over a year, how much income we talking for a NTR/Optional NTR game with no story just cucking, fucking, creampie, bitching, repeat?? A newcomer ttll made some quick money with his game Come Inside (released in June) and now fans of the game wait to see why Lora left the MC and where the story is heading. My point is, think about your income bruhh ... u a talented new dev with skill, would be a waste to see the game abandoned.

I dig the whole "sick and tired of a dude who boinks his mom, sisters and all the women in town" statement and switch to the same shit only on a different gender and no story ... in incest games and non-NTR games you fuck all the women u can and that's boring, in NTR games a female/females get fucked by the whole universe even old dudes while the "mc" plays cameraman and is a whiny bitch. But I respect people's opinion and don't tell them to fuck off the thread and move on to other games. Judge for yourselves, bois ... NTR fans "U don't like that shit, fuck off !!" / non-NTR fans "Don't care about NTR if it's optional or avoidable. Different people have different tastes."

Hope you pull it through with the project !!

 

[Gervoh]

It depends on which side you ask...

The NTR Side - They are starting to toss around a lot of personal insults that I hope the mod/staff on this site eventually punish as harshly as they did the other side. Anyway, they will say that the other side are a bunch of "incels" (using the term wrong) and either self-insert (blatant lie for most players), or get too attached to pixels.

The Anti Side - They will call the other side "cucks", and talk about how in RL they would allows anyone to do sexual things to their loved ones too...

The gist of it is that the people in the center (most players) play games to "win", not to loose, would you play Skryim if people said you better let yourself get killed by the first enemy every time ? is that fun ?

There is also the fact that NTR is written horribly... you get a nice guy MC (sometimes) dude works 18 hours a day to support his family, doesnt want to fuck them sometimes, and is overall a nice guy... his reward in NTR games ? Jamal who is human scum comes with his BBC and fucks everything the MC loves while talking about how he doesnt shower or have a job but is the true winner in life... I mean come the fuck on... Someone like that would be on the losing side of a 'cucking" in RL 9/10...

I mean, that's my biggest gripe with NTR games and why I can't really take them all seriously - people get so easily corrupted by seemingly the least charming humans walking on the planet. You have to suspend your disbelief so much that you can;t even immerse yourself in most of it.

 

[Avaron1974]

Its 50/50, but personally the romance isn't very good, so I'm not use you would like it.

Ah, thanks hun. I won't bother with that one then.

 

[TiffanyMonroe]

Seriously, how do you people see taking a hit as a beta thing. You're dealing with a fucking mafia, you don't get to choose whether you get hit or not. As I said earlier, losing one limb would be the best case scenario in this premise and the game needs them to be a force you can't fuck with yet. You stopped the rape from hapening and you'll have to work with them for some time while you get power from the diety, probably by having a shit ton of sex since that's what she likes.

This is why the 2nd amendment is important. Instead of massaging his knuckles with your nose and eyes, he should've had a gun and this whole situation could've been avoided. The only problem he would've had it getting rid of the blood stains and bullet holes.
I remember only ONE game on this site that let you pull a gun on a POS that tried to cuck you. I just wish you could've shot him. Right in the dick.

 

[Gervoh]

i never did take a ntr choice, and thats my way of seeing things, i did not like it so i did put it in ignore list, end of story and i dont see how thats is any concern of yours, is my decisión to play whatever i want and judge by myself.

Ehh, that's not the point. The point is that it's entirely possible to make a game with good NTR and non-NTR but you're right. We're not really getting anywhere because we have different views on things around us and that's not gonna change. So agree to disagree.

 

[RedPillBlues]

Ah, thanks hun. I won't bother with that one then.

I mean if you ever have time I would give it a try. I mean the art is okay at best, the writing needs some work, the engine/and game-play are questionable and the romance is surface level, but there is something about it that is quite charming. Wouldn't put it as a priority though. Either way I think the threads been derailed enough without this.

 

[RedPillBlues]

This is why the 2nd amendment is important. Instead of massaging his knuckles with your nose and eyes, he should've had a gun and this whole situation could've been avoided. The only problem he would've had it getting rid of the blood stains and bullet holes.
I remember only ONE game on this site that let you pull a gun on a POS that tried to cuck you. I just wish you could've shot him. Right in the dick.

I mean at the minimum It would have gone much better if the cop-out NTR path was at least slightly more imposing for the MC. Easy fix would have been to make the MC sneak up on the dude with a plant or something and clock the guy across the head. It makes sense as there's already a route where the dude gets fucked over so this one could have the same consequences, just without NTR. I'm sure that, even without actual content, would have got a much better reception, and it fits into the story. Almost seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

[Synnerai]

Ha, I new it. It was obvious, that after all those pages of requests for avoidable NTR, there will be an update that changes the original script. Maybe it was planned, maybe not. Either way, I think all of this was a good idea. AgentGames got a lot of attention thanks to it and now he gets even more, because he listened to people. Good job.

 

[Cpt.Briggs]

This reminds me of Cuphead shitstorm. Everyone liked the graphics, but some ppl felt betrayed that it is a hard platformer.

Like you know Cuphead would be so awesome if only it wasn't that shitty platformer, fckn devs, creatively and morally bankrupt, blocked and deserve Exterminatus.

 

[Ying Ko]

I loathe NTR and from what I have read the route where he gets beaten up seems to be the best route for me. A protagonist getting his ass handed to him at the beginning by the antagonist, only to later rise to the occasion and overcome the same antagonist is common. I will however wait until the next update before I give this VN a go, I want to see how the aftermath is handled before I proceed.

 

[absalon1977]

thank you for the update