VN Ren'Py Abandoned Lord of Imagination [Ep. 4.5 NTR] [AgentGames]

[botc76]

If anything this thread has shown me that many of my fellow non-NTR fans are absolutely as bad as the NTR fans, when it comes to overreacting and whining.

Seriously, guys take a chill-pill. Dev obviously has a story to tell. Maybe it's not yours, it probably isn't even mine, but all these histrionics like "Ignore the thread" or "avoid the dev?" Is that really necessary?

The guy isn't Slonique who has done the same shit 7-8 times. This is his first game and you all just dump shit on him and really when it comes down to it is just that he doesn't tell the story as you want it.

For people who don't like NTR, taking a beating to protect your mom, how is that wrong? If I really had that much of a problem with that NTR scene, then that seems to be an absolutely viable alternative, or do you think the MC beating up a superpowered mafiosi makes more sense?

And as for those complaining that one non-NTR path is just not seeing the NTR, well people suggested this. People wrote that if there's a scene between the gangster and the MC's mom, they should at least be able to avoid seeing it.

TL, DR: All of you who can't stop complaining and whining and dumping shit on the game and the dev, the next time you complain about how NTR-fans behave, remember how you behaved here.
And I write this as someone who really doesn't like NTR at all, just trying to be more level-headed and not so bloody entitled.

I for one am going to play this game now, just because of all this drama and if I wasn't poor as fuck, I'd throw some dollars at the dev to support him.

 

[Architect04]

It is overreaction, that much we can be certain of. But really, you can't even find a little understanding for those who don't enjoy ntr? And I'm not saying here that it's pure evil and shall be purged, I'm not here to attack anybody who has the kink - but rather to ask the question why would somebody not enjoy NTR. And I think the answer is simple, NTR feels like a game over - you fucked up, your love interest was fucked by somebody (in this case even raped) and you did nothing about it. So they resent NTR, because any game with optional NTR treats it as the wrong path, where you made the wrong choices.

Should they be complaining about forced NTR? No, they shouldn't even play it after reading the comments because the first page will really quickly tell you about it being there. But that doesn't mean we absolutely cannot understand where they're coming from.

From my point of view, the non-NTR path where you take a beating instead of letting them rape your girls is the best for now - you're not idly watching by, you defend them and that's already better than a passive waste MC or will-fuck-all MC. We're dealing with the mafia, the best case scenario is losing a single limb and not all.

Its not like I dont understand, I get why they dont like it but its like anytime a game is posted with it here or a video or manga has it people lose their shit like its the end of the world. Like if they dont like it why do they have this need to comment how its so bad and disgusting on everything.

I hate tentacle stuff, Just not my forte. But I dont go on to those threads or post and adamantly harass the people who like it or just trash all over it. They just cant move on with out commenting on it, Thats what gets me the most.

 

[✝Fenrir✝]

Now the question is ... Now that we have the No-NTR path this will influence the NTR path.

Since on NTR Path at some point he will fight back.

 

[x0run]

Commenting to say that I look forward as to how this game develops

 

[lorddarkam]

I will never understand why so many people get butt hurt and bent out of shape over NTR. Tentacles? OK Rape? OK Bestiality? OK
Incest? OK. But NTR/Cheating? OMG I WILL NEVER PLAY THIS DISGUSTING GAME, NTR IS THE WORSE THING THAT COULD HAPPEN I WOULD RATHER DIE THAN PLAY THIS TRASH GAME!

don't mess things up Cheating is not NTR, Cheating is when you are Cucking people what is cool

 

[vazgenvaz]

Rather interesting!

 

[Synnerai]

I have been following this thread on and off and I am glad, that some people are being really level headed and do a good job putting down arguments advocating for people to chill out. I was surprised (well, I shouldn't have been) by how many people went crazy over the game having something they didn't like. There were some nuanced comments, but the angry ones were more emotional then ever.

I don't like fat chicks, shemale (and futa), vore, snuff, incest, shota, loli, etc., but I don't go out of my way to shit on that content. There are numerous games or comics focused on this content, but I ignore them. I hate it when someone takes my favourite female character and makes them into a guy with tits or has them killed and eaten, but I just ignore it and use a filter if possible so I can't see it. And no, I am not trying to say I am better or something, but I am trying to say what I think is the right way to approach this content.

I also edit incest dialogue in ren'py games, because it's super easy to edit ren'py games, so if you don't like something in the story, you can change it yourself.

If you don't like it, ignore it. It's not like the thing you dislike has been made focus of the game after several updates, when you were invested in it's development for some time. It's not like it "ruined" a thing you liked.

I don't play ntr games much, only if they have good art and I can name the protag as someone I don't like, so it's him who gets cucked. And in this game, I was even willing to look past the "only BJ" option as a lesser evil, because it had a big emotional impact on the MC and his mom, but at the same time it wasn't full sex and she wasn't even sane during it. And at least the MC would get more reasons to fight back. The option where he takes a beating to protect her is a good option in my opinion. You should get knocked down first so it's more satisfying when you get up and fight back.

And it seems, that a lot of people want these games to be "safe spaces" (I don't mean it as an SJW rhetoric), because they self insert into the MC, which I understand, but some of them even don't want to be challenged in the game, so the MC would end up as a Marry Sue like some protag of an Isekai story. I agree that the good middle road is always make it that your actions influence the outcome in both the desired or undesired way. And it's even better if those actions aren't that black and white, so you can make mistakes.

And with that, I would like to end this news update, thank you for tuning in. To be further update on all things gaming news, reviews and discussions, stay tuned right here on Yongyea. See you guys next time.

YONG OUT!

 

[randomnamez]

I just hope the developer can make the game they want, not trying to try to fit it all the content that everyone "demands", and overburning themselves.

 

[Wicked Garden]

Same ole Same ole. With games like this there's usually always more content for the NTR path than it is on the normal path. Playing this game and seeing that the Mom gets dicked down by the stereotypical black guy in the first version makes this game a hard pass for me.

 

[botc76]

Well, after playing through this new version, I must say, I actually like the MC taking a beating to protect his mom.
That's really the kind of shit I like, because sometimes you do lose, but you at least have to stand up for yourself and those you love.

That being said, I could have lived with the mind-control rape, if at some point the MC would really be able to turn the tables and make BBC pay. (because in incest porn game logic, it's of course only the MC who is allowed to fuck his mom )

The only thing I fear now is that the dev might spread himself too thin by giving this wide variety of options, he should try to get back to one or two strings again, so he doesn't power himself out, having to write and render too many different options.
I know we all want meaningful decisions, but it also has to stay manageable.
I've seen too many good games die, because the dev just didn't manage to give up with the many paths.
And it's no fun when games start out multi-paths and then reduce your options more and more.
Yes, I'm talking about you APE!!! but also to a lesser extent "My sister, my roommate."

Anyway, the writing on this is good, the renders look fine so far (the women we have seen), of course you would wish for some models you haven't seen in five dozen other ren'py games, but I try not to fault devs for their limited options in this regard.

This game was a solid from the start, even with the unavoidable rape/mindcontrol/ntr, but now it's something to really look out for.

Keep up the good work and while it's cool to listen to players, try to make the game you want to make.

 

[Rileyfksurmom]

I have been following this thread on and off and I am glad, that some people are being really level headed and do a good job putting down arguments advocating for people to chill out. I was surprised (well, I shouldn't have been) by how many people went crazy over the game having something they didn't like. There were some nuanced comments, but the angry ones were more emotional then ever.

I don't like fat chicks, shemale (and futa), vore, snuff, incest, shota, loli, etc., but I don't go out of my way to shit on that content. There are numerous games or comics focused on this content, but I ignore them. I hate it when someone takes my favourite female character and makes them into a guy with tits or has them killed and eaten, but I just ignore it and use a filter if possible so I can't see it. And no, I am not trying to say I am better or something, but I am trying to say what I think is the right way to approach this content.

I also edit incest dialogue in ren'py games, because it's super easy to edit ren'py games, so if you don't like something in the story, you can change it yourself.

If you don't like it, ignore it. It's not like the thing you dislike has been made focus of the game after several updates, when you were invested in it's development for some time. It's not like it "ruined" a thing you liked.

I don't play ntr games much, only if they have good art and I can name the protag as someone I don't like, so it's him who gets cucked. And in this game, I was even willing to look past the "only BJ" option as a lesser evil, because it had a big emotional impact on the MC and his mom, but at the same time it wasn't full sex and she wasn't even sane during it. And at least the MC would get more reasons to fight back. The option where he takes a beating to protect her is a good option in my opinion. You should get knocked down first so it's more satisfying when you get up and fight back.

And it seems, that a lot of people want these games to be "safe spaces" (I don't mean it as an SJW rhetoric), because they self insert into the MC, which I understand, but some of them even don't want to be challenged in the game, so the MC would end up as a Marry Sue like some protag of an Isekai story. I agree that the good middle road is always make it that your actions influence the outcome in both the desired or undesired way. And it's even better if those actions aren't that black and white, so you can make mistakes.

And with that, I would like to end this news update, thank you for tuning in. To be further update on all things gaming news, reviews and discussions, stay tuned right here on Yongyea. See you guys next time.

YONG OUT!

Well said. The NTR tags right there, yet they will still moan and try to get the developer to mess up his story line or rage quit like with Big Brother. People are too entitled to simply ignore things they dont like these days.

 

[botc76]

Well said. The NTR tags right there, yet they will still moan and try to get the developer to mess up his story line or rage quite like with Big Brother. People are too entitled to simply ignore things they dont like these days.

I think there's a difference between asking the dev if he could think of including another option and raging like some here did.
You can surely give suggestions, it's up to the dev whether he wants to follow them or not, that's okay.

The amount of drama and hyperbole we saw from some here, that's not.

 

[TiffanyMonroe]

Read a few of the comments, and I am not 100% sure on a couple of things. I don't want to start the discussion on this topic again, just looking for some simple answers about the content in the game so far.

1. In the current version of the game is all NTR/sharing content avoidable?

2. Is/was the mom a prostitute or just a stripper, or is it unclear enough that I can believe what I want (IE that she is/was just a stripper)?

I tried looking for a "no sex in vip room" meme but got distracted by porn and forgot what I was even doing.

 

[anwar]

Well both NTR and non-ntr path seems somewhat similar to me, only difference is in NTR path you can see what's happening and in non- ntr path we can't see what's going on. This game has good potential but it's not me, I am not a fan of NTR so...

 

[Ying Ko]

Well both NTR and non-ntr path seems somewhat similar to me, only difference is in NTR path you can see what's happening and in non- ntr path we can't see what's going on. This game has good potential but it's not me, I am not a fan of NTR so...

Tell the mom about the mafia.

 

[anwar]

Tell the mom about the mafia.

What difference it make you don't know what happens after that guy beat you up.

 

[randomnamez]

But yeah, you can't really expect to be able to beat up the mafia guy that has so much more control over those powers than the current MC has. And if the story is somewhat similar, it is still better to make it more manageable. If it branch of too far at the start, we will be hearing lots of complain about how certain paths are not getting enough attention, etc.

 

[Avaron1974]

Is this series a lewdlab ripoff? >.>

Edit: At least NTR is optional now.

No considering nothing in it is like any of his work.

DoD was all about the dreams and basic as hell and his new game is just utter anal juice.

 

[Ying Ko]

What difference it make you don't know what happens after that guy beat you up.

I looked through the source code, after instances when she is ordered to preform some sexual act by Carl or by the demon, she feels tired and ill. Directly after her meeting with Carl (non-NTR) she is fine and the same can be said after MC is knocked out.

 

[anwar]

I looked through the source code, after instances when she is ordered to preform some sexual act by Carl or by the demon, she feels tired and ill. Directly after her meeting with Carl (non-NTR) she is fine and the same can be said after MC is knocked out.

I Hope you are right.well I will just wait for few more update and give it one more try.