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That is the silliest thing i've read this week.
PAtrons support not sponsor, they do so on the understanding they giving the dev money to do what they do not to have a say in development.
It's a tip jar, nothing more.
I for one am glad Patreon is failing its game developers with their holier than though christian values. The whole point in these "GAMES" is it's a GAME, it's not real life. If you don't like forced/incest/mind control, then don't play the game!!
Developers should have the freedom to make whatever content they want, I'm sure once enough people get forced out, another platform will take its place. This whole woke business is already phasing out anyway. If anything, Dev should make a patch to add the content deemed immoral in the meantime.
Developers should have the freedom to make whatever content they want, I'm sure once enough people get forced out, another platform will take its place. This whole woke business is already phasing out anyway. If anything, Dev should make a patch to add the content deemed immoral in the meantime.
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Most likely won't happen, the situation's just a little more complicated then that. Its not even Patreon that's against that kind of content, its Paypal, and Mastercard behind it. Its almost impossible for a company to take Patreons place without them.
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You're about 2 years behind and wrong to boot.
It's nothing to do with Patreon, they had their hand forced by PayPal and the major credit card companies that don't want to be associated with certain kinds of porn ie. incest, rape, beastiality etc..
No platform will ever truly take over from Patreon because it deals with more than just adult games and most of us use those methods of payment online so won't move to another platform.
Plenty of devs already use Subscribestar but without PayPal not all their supporters can fund them.
That said, developers do have the freedom to make whatever content they want, they just can't host it on certain sites.
I see, didn't know that part of the equation...shit changes with time, we'll just have to deal with it then. Way people talked, made it seem Patreon was behind it all...makes sense though.
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i'm a dev and i told you already what a smart dev does
- a smart dev doesn't copy paste
- a smart dev avoids repetitive tasks
=> therefore a smart dev uses variables
a smart dev doesn't use character names, he uses variables to store the characters' names and their relations to other characters (father, daughter, brother ...)
that way it's easy to customize the experience, change character names, change their relations (e.g enable incest dialog)
when you have 20 000 lines of dialog ("Jon, talk to your mother", "Jack's mother is so hot!"), quest hints ("hide in your mother's bedroom closet and wait for your sister"), objectives ("seduce your sister at night in your mother's bedroom"), item names (mother's panties), etc. it's better to have 30 variables you can easily modify than having to change 4000 words because you want to disable incest.
maybe you think it would simply be "replace all occurrences of 'mother' by 'landlady'" ... but what if your friend has a mother who is a character in the game ? you wouldn't want to have all characters in the game be orphans living with a landlady
maybe try making a game or whatever and then you'll stop with the nonsense
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Well Dev, not sure if you have read correctly but allow me to paste a part of a quote of my own message which you quoted fully.:
" Yeah I get that part but the problem is exactly when there is no patch so not exactly that super smart if you ask me but then again I am no dev "
And I ended that same message with :
" again not a Dev so feel free to tell me if it is impossible or hard or to much work or whatever, =>So I can at the least have an understanding of why that cannot be a thing.<= "
And as far as my message goes I clear was being genuine, so how about you calm down that hostility, because if you clearly cannot tell the difference for someone asking about a suggestion and as for a explanation as to why that is not possible for clarification and you have to answer it in that tone, makes me wonder how well you handle negative criticism in your projects when you get feedback, prob not the in the best way from what I have to take.
And you have given me indeed a explanation in situation of games like for example big brother or Glamour or whatever with quests or maybe RPGM games, but when we have a linear story telling VN with zero quests/missions/tasks most of those do not apply, as you can easily just leave out mom/sis/aunt/neighbor/landlord/tenant/names out, for example in sex scenes instead of saying " MOM I am cumming " just go with " I am Cumming " leave out ANY form of anything and it would still be good, no need to add it in. And the problem is more to games where they add that but there is NO patch or the Patch is not released the same day or moment as the game. Again is fine as there are reasons behind it, but when someone asks something give em a decent or good enough explanation as to why and grab the snubby remakes and shuve in the bin.
Now I have genuinely been straight forward with my answers and questions and how I reply to em.
However let me clear about one thing, if you cannot in a normal and reasonable way explain something or say something without bullshit remarks at the end when clearly in the message you are replying to already has answered that "snarky" remark before you wrote it in the first place, kindly just not reply to the message and let someone else who is a more level headed Dev answer my questions, Thanks.
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You say that but you dismiss what I'm saying about variables with a "Yes, but ..." response, like you know better.
What hostility? Advising you to see for yourself? You keep bringing up the same point over and over, clearly you don't care about explanations. Have your own practical experience, maybe you'll understand then why variables are useful.
The people I work with are smart, they don't need to be explained the same basic concept over and over. That way you don't get frustrated like you're trying to explain programming to a 5 year old. FYI I also teach and assist my colleagues in programming, and I only get positive feedback. Maybe it's not me, it's you.
So your answer to the problem is to restrict literary freedom.
Maybe they should just remove all dialogs, that way there's no confusion about incest because it's simply not mentioned at all, which was the point in the first place.
People want incest and your solution is to remove all occurrences of "mom", "sister", "daughter", "aunt" ... that's nonsense, AGAIN.
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The problem with your argument is that if the developer does only what the current patrons want, they may not get any more patrons. Obviously they will get more patrons, I just maintain that they would have more with a non-NTR only story. I walked away from the story when it was NTR only. I pledged when the non-NTR path was offered. I walked away when they could not offer an update when promised. By trying to please both sides, updates will logically be shorter or less frequent. Radiant is hugely successful for a new game. The developers as strongly as they could told prospective players that there would never be any NTR in the game. Why, because they wanted the financial success that they have and continue to achieve.
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Game has been out since September and has 68 patrons. I know that there was the issue with the writer quitting, but I would still have to say that listening to their patrons hasn't really worked out for them. I wasn't asking for them to make a change, my point was originally intended to be academic. I guess I just have a tendency to get caught up in the conversation. As always, I encourage anyone that is happy with the story the way it is to go support the game financially. It's easy to say that the developer should stay true to their vision in this forum, but it is another to put your money where your mouth is. These developers have a goal to update their equipment. If they make changes to improve the marketability of their game, there is nothing wrong with that. Why do you think there is now a non-NTR option?
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Wrong, I dismissed nothing I stated an opinion based on a simple fact, that is about the the writing of the story for sake of immersion and wondering out of curiosity if something cannot be implemented why not adept the writing, big difference. Just because there is a "but" in a sentence does not mean it has to be dismissive and if one cannot ask then you as a teacher is not explaining me anything but telling me and expecting me to just simply nod yes whether I agree with it or understand it does not matter and if that is the case then sorry but that is not much to learn from if one expects to just listen and not question.
This sentence gives off a different vibe yet comes down to the same thing just worded more polity compared to the previous " maybe try making a game or whatever and then you'll stop with the nonsense " you gave me. But the fact your use of " you'll stop with the nonsense " and how it was worded it gives clear indication that not only has clear intent of genuine curiosity as to why or why not something is possible or impossible has been thrown out the window but also making out sound as if I was complaining and not only that, but outright making it as if I was complaining for the sake of complaining, hence hostility. And if not that, impatience to explain something. Also tone down on the smart part because honestly just saying, Dev's would be more then enough adding "smart" to everything just takes away the legitimacy to take something serious after a point. Also there is no such thing as "smart" dev, it's either experienced or inexperienced. That is by the way clearly my personal take and opinion on that matter and if you want to or care to try and change my opinion about that,try explaining me why MY opinion ( without the need to sound smug as if you are on a throne sitting talking to a peasant ) am wrong about this.
Smart is being subjective, as a Teacher you should know that. Just because one can program or know how to program or make programs does mean they are overall smart, it mean they know their field and are "smart" in that said field, lets be clear on that. Second that THEY don't need be explained basic concept over and over again does not mean anything other then that they can grasp and fathom what you help and teach or work with as they are basically in the field and have some experience with it. The fact you have to said " That way you don't get frustrated like you're trying to explain programming to a 5 year old " gives me the impression that anyone who does not understand your explanation ones or twice is automatically not "smart" and makes me question your teaching capabilities as it sounds like you would dump and give up on them the second you get that impression, so maybe it's not me, but exactly as I said before..just you.
Wrong, that is not what I meant, there is a difference in between removing it the intended genre of the story and in its stead keep something that break immersion, When was the last time you had sex and clearly hear the words " Husband I am cumming, Wife I am cumming, Fiance please bend over " maybe somewhere out there that could be a fetish but for most people that would be a weird thing to say and a mood killer.
You are sooner and more commonly to hear either " I am cumming"
Or
" Baby/Babe I am cumming" then you would something else. Would it break the immersion now, does it take away the relationship ? no ? the fact that if the story makes it clear and it is written proper one would know who it is exactly they are fucking or is busting their nut in/too without the need to add landlord/mum/dad/daughter/uncle/tenant/neighbor/friend in it.
If the patch is doing well the story makes sense but without it, it breaks immersion, so to combat that in a case if you do not want to offend patreon ( or in a case where the Dev does not bother adding a patch and the community has to do it) why not edit the writing in a way where it is satisfactory, Now I CLEARLY acknowledged what you have given as example that I can see that being the case where you have to go back and forth in games with objectives for example, Glamour and Big brother and Summertime Saga and similar games.
However my second question to it was more for Kinetic Novels where there is non, where basically the game does have choices to be made but the story is a more focused driven one. My question is not to remove the Genre or fetish but the keep the story immersive in a way it does not break it. Maybe this might come off as a surprise to you but SOME people actually do get immersed and in to the story of these games and are not there just for the fap pics. Writing around it has nothing to do with " Smart Dev " coding in this case, it is a question of matter of why not write around it. Better yet since we are talking about " Smart Dev's " I have indeed come across a few Smart ones, they decided the best course of action was the let you decide the relations at the start of the game, this does not break TOS of Patreon and keep the immersion intact and better yet, even SMARTER ones thought it was a even better idea to make the patch already added, all you have to do is write the correct relations and done. Now again let me clarify it for you, I.am.not.A.Dev. So you clearly being a smart one, can you answer me why one does not do that constantly with Kinetic novels ? Just for your information btw, Lord of Imagionation falls under that with branching narratives, at least to my basic common knowledge as a Non Dev. So why can this not be applied here, it would remove the need for a patch, it would also not break immersion and it would keep the same writing ? are you understanding my question ? or is it still vague to you ?
PS: Let me clear about something, I don't claim to know you, I don't. I clearly stated my opinion based on the fact of the impression you leaving behind.
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I don't think she is a Lesbian, she has a clear attraction to him. Maybe she is just Bi and has been with girls because she just does not wish to be with guys other then the MC,
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Oh I now see your point and thanks for the clarification mate!
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All good man, was not sure if you missed them. is just my own personal take on from what is presented, I could be wrong though. Will have to wait for next updates to get a better understanding I guess. I personally am now wondering a lot more about her in general because of what it seems their intent was. And hope curious to wonder if we will find out of what they actually had gone out to do. She is definitely a interesting character for sure.
Who knows it could both she's dating Alex while breaking you know legs