Unity Loser [v0.11.00] [Night City Productions]

[DevilK]

Full save?

Its save file put it in
C:\Users\(your pc name)\AppData\LocalLow\Night City Productions\Loser

 

[Urruah]

The game could also really use a simple skip time button that's present as part of the basic UI and available in every room. Having to go back to your room to sleep and having only 6hours of sleep as a repeatable action is annoying. Want to skip a full day? You need to go to sleep four times, so if you're trying to skip something like a WEEK so you can get back to Becky's party, it actually takes a couple of minutes. And if an event takes play like five hours from now and you don't have nap/rest up, you need to waste time on video games, cleaning and then getting rid of built up topics that you have no use for.

I think the dev already noticed this issue because he started adding in a fix for it, but having to go back to your room to refresh your topics is annoying. If you're trying to talk to Gina at the bar, each time you get done talking you need to head back home, which requires I think three different scene changes there and then two back. And if you don't refresh your topics after talking to one person before going to another, you still don't have that topic available, meaning you waste an hour and really limited availability.

None of these little issues are huge sinks in themselves but wasting a minute here or a minute there builds up to hours.

 

[Sanders2100]

The game could also really use a simple skip time button that's present as part of the basic UI and available in every room. Having to go back to your room to sleep and having only 6hours of sleep as a repeatable action is annoying. Want to skip a full day? You need to go to sleep four times, so if you're trying to skip something like a WEEK so you can get back to Becky's party, it actually takes a couple of minutes. And if an event takes play like five hours from now and you don't have nap/rest up, you need to waste time on video games, cleaning and then getting rid of built up topics that you have no use for.

I think the dev already noticed this issue because he started adding in a fix for it, but having to go back to your room to refresh your topics is annoying. If you're trying to talk to Gina at the bar, each time you get done talking you need to head back home, which requires I think three different scene changes there and then two back. And if you don't refresh your topics after talking to one person before going to another, you still don't have that topic available, meaning you waste an hour and really limited availability.

None of these little issues are huge sinks in themselves but wasting a minute here or a minute there builds up to hours.

+1 for time skip.
bar need a bathroom or at least toilet(refresh of topics and mb some lewd scenes)

 

[FloppySausage]

You branched the wrong way. Immediagram mother is a separate path from the branch that Cosmopolitan mother is on. Go back to Health Nut mother and then it should show up.

How do I revert?
If I have to start over again I'm ditching this game and not going back.
I've spent 10+ hours over a few days from the bullshit grind and really don't want to be messed around.

Yes I've got the necessary stats but there is no promote option.

 

[FeropsisFenarue]

The story and such are interesting. The grind is a little outrageous?

I'm going to imagine when the dev play tests this game he plays a version with everything toned down by a factor of 100 than this for their testing and then for release day divides the skill requirements by 100 for players to actually do.

Let's say you need 600xp in the incest skill. First you have to grind porn to 100xp at probably 3 experience points per times you watch the porn game, so you have to click mindlessly about 300 times to get porn to level up. Next up incest skill, do the porn thing but 6 times as much, so 1800 clicks for those two skills, with little pauses and such in between just to make sure you aren't uh, ... idk? Just, keep clicking and seeing the same thing 300 times.

Next up, raising a skill like stealth that you can only level up two or three times a day, so you calculate the math to sleep / fast forward time to get the stealth skill up for 3xp, do that about 300 times for about 2400 clicks...

Then the conversation mechanics, you use rng to gain conversation points for "sim" conversations, in which you gain 2-3xp for each of those, so maybe a few 3k clicks per conversation skill with the women? If I'm being conservative?

?!?!

all while getting no new dialog for any of that. It's like... idk. If the great video game like Celeste was released and made you jump in place 2000 times before you could move to the next screen it'd be a great analogy for the flow of this game. It's like does the dev even playtest it? It reminds me of making g

The few scenes are interesting but ... what the fuck O_O? lol. I'm interested if people actually went through that or discovered how to use cheat engine because the numbers are just so very not fun to do.

Good job on the other stuff but I can't imagine making something that I know I couldn't tolerate repeating doing myself!

Unique but the lack of chill is shocking, lol.

I don't think there is anything in the game thus far that requires level 3 in any skill. There are a few cases where you need level 2 something, but level 3 usually is mastery in some skill and adds a strong bonus. Usually level 1 unlocks most of what you need.

As far as RNG. There is none. Points gained are for talking about things they like, and the xp gained is based on a few factors such as some certain skills you have, as well as how much they liked what you were talking about. You usually gain a new topic after talking about something 3 times. You can also gain topics by doing tasks that require no talking, like cleaning your rooms, watching TV, ect.

As stated before there is a 'beginner's luck' that usually kicks in after about 15xp that doubles all your skill gains until 100, and usually, things like watching porn can net you skills in multiple subjects, perversion one of them.

There are also online tutorials you can get at your computer that take a lot of time, but give you much larger XP gains (15?) for certain subjects, so if you need to waste time, go do those.

The main trick of the game is that if you focus on any ONE person or ONE skill it will seem grindy as fuck. Try to plan out the days better to gain a variety of skills each day: Porn for a few hours, Games for a few hours, Cleaning for a few hours, talking to Diane or Gina 1-2 times, research online, and sleep. Throw in an hour of watching TV or social media. Repeat the next day. Enough porn watching will unlock incest porn, which enough of that will allow you to peek on showers, do some things with Gina on nights where she comes how drunk.

 

[Urruah]

The main trick of the game is that if you focus on any ONE person or ONE skill it will seem grindy as fuck. Try to plan out the days better to gain a variety of skills each day: Porn for a few hours, Games for a few hours, Cleaning for a few hours, talking to Diane or Gina 1-2 times, research online, and sleep. Throw in an hour of watching TV or social media. Repeat the next day. Enough porn watching will unlock incest porn, which enough of that will allow you to peek on showers, do some things with Gina on nights where she comes how drunk.

Quoting this for emphasis. The game is incredibly slow paced if you are like me and want to focus on one thing at a time because events and actions are often time locked either by the clock itself or by number of uses per day.

 

[Sundaytroll]

Reading these comments about unnecessary grind: Maybe you are playing the wrong kind of game...sounds to me you all want to play a kinetic novel...skip till scene...wank a little, skip to next scene...and so on.
This game is "simulating" real character-changes which should be slow, and have their own benefits each.
I also think the grind in the beginning is slow (not too slow, but a lil bit too slow) but otherwise, you still can use this time to learn how this game is played...and later on, you can go (maybe just me) a little too fast through the AT's, I mean it's possible to rush to next AT and miss some good content if you didn't looked for it.

To the time skip: definitly, a simple "wait 1 hour" button in nathans room would be enough (let it cost/give stamina and/or focus) but now the only way to "skip" time is bringing videogames to rank 2 (so: no boring) and play for 1 hour....and repeat this...(at least this way you generate some focus...)

What I think should be thought over is the hotbar topic mode. If you have a topic, you should everywhere/everytime change/use it. It get more annoying, if you run to the bar, talk to gina, run home (which means you everytime has to pass through the living-room) to refresh the (permanent-) topics.
Maybe the idea of a fixed "action-bar" isn't really fitting to the game anymore, and maybe we need a bigger brain, to save more topics, you later have so much, and don't really use them because of permanent-topics.

 

[FloppySausage]

Can someone please revert Diane to Health Nut for me?
Just changing the AT doesn't work and crashes the game when I try to load the save.

 

[Johny Alfa]

It kinda works that way already for the most part
When you give a massage to Gina she gains massage skill even though it's not part of her interests
Same with becky when you expose yourself she gains incest and perverted (if i remember correctly)
The only issue is that you normally won't find many opportunities for a character to do something they have no interest in
Diane won't go jogging until she develops an interest in Healthyness and Fitness and at that point there's no reason to give her more xp in those fields

But whenever it makes sense from a gameplay point of view characters will gain xp in certain topics depending on actions performed even skills that are not quite in the game yet such as submission

You are kind of wrong, only works in a few scenes in a very limited way (if I remember right ). At least what I could check yesterday. For example Gina in her latest archetype can get a real spanking during bathroom cleaning, where she gets +8 for Psychology, but nothing related to the cleaning (Tidiness or Order), same Diane get nothing if you jog with her, for start jogging she needed the health nut mom with 100% fitness or something, but when you change her further she drops fitness interest (lowers to 50%), but you still can go jogging with her. Also when initially watched TV together you might get a few points on Romance, but when changed day time drinking with TV still nothing towards Alcohol, Unhealthy or Lazy.

 

[Cipher]

Can someone please revert Diane to Health Nut for me?
Just changing the AT doesn't work and crashes the game when I try to load the save.

I just downloaded your file and it seems at a first glance that you haven't given her the two necessary secondary interests to revert
namely Braggart and Critical
I think where you struggled was to find the right time to encourage those behaviours
That's only possible on the weekends
I went through your save and put you at the right time and ready to change her AT
Might have to advance one hour because of how game handles saves but just go to the parent's bedroom and click on the button there

 

[Cipher]

You are kind of wrong, only works in a few scenes in a very limited way (if I remember right ). At least what I could check yesterday. For example Gina in her latest archetype can get a real spanking during bathroom cleaning, where she gets +8 for Psychology, but nothing related to the cleaning (Tidiness or Order), same Diane get nothing if you jog with her, for start jogging she needed the health nut mom with 100% fitness or something, but when you change her further she drops fitness interest (lowers to 50%), but you still can go jogging with her. Also when initially watched TV together you might get a few points on Romance, but when changed day time drinking with TV still nothing towards Alcohol, Unhealthy or Lazy.

I suppose you are right there are some gaps in the system
We could argue that Gina cleans as a chore and still has no interest in tidiness or Order but it might also just be something the dev forgot or chose not to put
I agree with adding them just to make the game feel more organic so to speak

 

[derede]

The main trick of the game is that if you focus on any ONE person or ONE skill it will seem grindy as fuck. Try to plan out the days better to gain a variety of skills each day: Porn for a few hours, Games for a few hours, Cleaning for a few hours, talking to Diane or Gina 1-2 times, research online, and sleep. Throw in an hour of watching TV or social media. Repeat the next day. Enough porn watching will unlock incest porn, which enough of that will allow you to peek on showers, do some things with Gina on nights where she comes how drunk.

This is hard to do because focus and stamina requirements. Even if you able focus multiple characters which is only possible after leveling up your certain skill, hard grind still there. Like said in my review I understand reason behind it but if you can cut this grind half, game won't lost its realism. Because you also spend lot of time in ATs to look for content left and right to don't miss any content.

Reading these comments about unnecessary grind: Maybe you are playing the wrong kind of game...sounds to me you all want to play a kinetic novel...skip till scene...wank a little, skip to next scene...and so on.
This game is "simulating" real character-changes which should be slow, and have their own benefits each.
I also think the grind in the beginning is slow (not too slow, but a lil bit too slow) but otherwise, you still can use this time to learn how this game is played...and later on, you can go (maybe just me) a little too fast through the AT's, I mean it's possible to rush to next AT and miss some good content if you didn't looked for it.

While I agree there are lot of people just want to smash skip until they saw naked character, this game grind especially early game hits pretty hard. While late game things are definitely becoming more faster, early grind creates kind of PTSD and you may find yourself saying enough is enough I don't want to click things anymore. Also, I think people are giving good suggestions to grind mechanic. They don't ask to remove grind mechanic but ask for improved versions for player sake.

This game is very promising and it got everything I want but improvement needed. Better tutorial and revisiting grind mechanic should be priority, imo. There are good feedbacks in the thread and I believe dev can get inspiration from them.

 

[DevilK]

Can someone please revert Diane to Health Nut for me?
Just changing the AT doesn't work and crashes the game when I try to load the save.

I have changed her to health nut

 

[FloppySausage]

I just downloaded your file and it seems at a first glance that you haven't given her the two necessary secondary interests to revert
namely Braggart and Critical
I think where you struggled was to find the right time to encourage those behaviours
That's only possible on the weekends
I went through your save and put you at the right time and ready to change her AT
Might have to advance one hour because of how game handles saves but just go to the parent's bedroom and click on the button there

Legend, this game has had me so fed up lol

 

[Sundaytroll]

This is hard to do because focus and stamina requirements. Even if you able focus multiple characters which is only possible after leveling up your certain skill, hard grind still there. Like said in my review I understand reason behind it but if you can cut this grind half, game won't lost its realism. Because you also spend lot of time in ATs to look for content left and right to don't miss any content.

The Focus/Stamina problems are annoying, especial at the beginning, but later on (when you played some time) it's not so bad anymore. So yes, some improvements could be done, but again: playing a game, and learn to manage the resources is part of the "fun" (at least for me).

While I agree there are lot of people just want to smash skip until they saw naked character, this game grind especially early game hits pretty hard. While late game things are definitely becoming more faster, early grind creates kind of PTSD and you may find yourself saying enough is enough I don't want to click things anymore. Also, I think people are giving good suggestions to grind mechanic. They don't ask to remove grind mechanic but ask for improved versions for player sake.

To the people contributing improvements, or better game-mechanics, thanks a lot, because this can often help dev's to get their games better. But on the other side, I so often read "unbearable grind" "too much grind" and mostly followed by "don't play this game", which I think, isn't helping. I don't wanted to insult someone (if someone felt insulted), but all these people nowadays, going in a forum and posting a simple "This is bad, don't like it", I can't simply understand this behaviour.

This game is very promising and it got everything I want but improvement needed. Better tutorial and revisiting grind mechanic should be priority, imo. There are good feedbacks in the thread and I believe dev can get inspiration from them.

When I first played this game (second version or so) I thought: hell what a mess, wait a little bit. So I waited, and as you said: it's promising now. I thought at the beginning, man you have to grind a lot, but other games made grinds far more worse, so I'm okay with it particulary, later in the game (when you go a lot faster to the needed Interests).

And final thought: this game is still in an early state of development, I think we have to wait at least half to one more year, till we will see what this game could be. (When there are multiple AT-paths for at least every family member avaible, more than 2 jobs for getting money, and a lot more possibilities to farm skill-exp like...aggression, and maybe some stores...)

 

[petkan]

After I transformed Becky into a clueless sister, I no longer have access to Friday night's party. Did I do something wrong?
This in turn stops my access to Morgan, Jay, Sally and others.

 

[Cipher]

After I transformed Becky into a clueless sister, I no longer have access to Friday night's party. Did I do something wrong?
This in turn stops my access to Morgan, Jay, Sally and others.

No that's part of the story, Becky's now grounded
Jay however will visit but the others yes their progress is frozen until further updates

 

[whiskerygem]

Am I the only one who thinks this game is better than Baals superpowered? I know the game is grindy but I love the gameplay, world, options and characters so much that the grinding doesn't bother me.

 

[Urruah]

Am I the only one who thinks this game is better than Baals superpowered? I know the game is grindy but I love the gameplay, world, options and characters so much that the grinding doesn't bother me.

It's got a LOT more potential. The actual available content is kinda low though and I often don't know how to access it because it's been flying under the radar more.

 

[Sanders2100]

Am I the only one who thinks this game is better than Baals superpowered? I know the game is grindy but I love the gameplay, world, options and characters so much that the grinding doesn't bother me.

superpowered it`s first try. loser`s idea is better worked out at the cost of first try. but it`s different games has equal potential imho. i really curious to see progress of superpowered at next update

ps there is some strip tease content at the bar (wth lisa) - when u embrace unhealthy and unlock mixology u can see lisas boobs once per week at the cost of few bucks. very surprising. and for those who didn`t pursue charlie - there is some hot (sex scenes) and interesting (charlie has daughter it`s promising but has not any lewd for now) scenes you currently missing
pps i realy like becky more then stephanie though