bobdillan

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There's difference between being horny and being slutty
>flirtying with another man while being in a relationship. (of sorts)

>dressing like a slut. :|

.... that isn't just being horny my dude....

Like I made note in an edit, but I will put it here as well, the way she dresses could be seen as mainly for the MC, but... the flirting with another dude (the dad), while wearing almost nothing kinda changes that possible context to general slut dressing style.

Exhibit A: (also gives the dad incest xp btw... so that also makes it even more out of place on the supposedly not-a-slut "brother fucker" AT)

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Exhibit B: (the lack of giving a shit that her tiddies are all over his arm)

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Context: this is all being done in front of the person she is in a relationship with (the brother, i.e. MC), would probably have been done even if not there, since well MC did interrupt them, hence the possible NTR vibe, while apparently being on the "brother fucker" AT.....

Note: none of this would matter if it was a general slutty AT btw, is only because it is supposedly dedicated to the Brother that any of it is sus (and that apparently it isn't not only a not slutty AT.... but an anti-slutty AT... despite acting in opposition to that).

Bonus note: makes even less sense, when the "Brother Fucker" AT doesn't include the brother complex sub-set, honestly seems like the name is wrong, and should be the "Horny Fucker" AT instead XP

Like just saying, if you on an AT that is called "Brother Fucker" pretty sure anyone on it, and staying on it would want that to be the sole focus of that AT. And not "O hey look this is actually a branch AT to the father fucking her. keep repeating this scene to progress there.". time and place type of thing. Where you place scenes can change context quite a bit.

And A possible concern here, is that the audience who only wants to see scene with MC who would go "O that is an AT for the sharing path I will avoid that." will instead go "O the normal AT path already starts the sharing/ntr etc. path.. *avoids the game*".
Since typically when you play a game with an optional/avoidable route/content that you don't like, you don't want to know about it on the route that isn't that route.
Just like how those who love that content don't want to know about wholesome loyal relationships on their route. (a goes both ways type of thing).
Is something one has to be aware of when making a game with broad content that is optional, to keep said optional content truly optional, and not have it already shown in the normal route (cause then.. it ain't actually truly optional :| cause you already have the start in the normal route, optional would be choosing to start, not auto-start, then choosing to stop).

Also yes, I know wall of text lots of words, yadda yadda, I type what I think.... And I think a fuckton... is both a positive and a negative, (great for story writing :D ), so yeah, no ranting here, just lots of thinking, and contemplating.
 
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loqex

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Oof.. anyone has a finished save for this version.

Managed through bumbling my way with Gina. Didn't get too far with Diane and Becky.
 

higuru

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The full stack option is one of the best QoL improvements this game needed. I think both games (superpowered) and this one are great. Sadly both suffer a bit with being slow to start then they both gain lots of speed. I feel like part of the 'slow' grind is caused by the excessive cleaning you have to do at the start.
 
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SilentRunning

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The more I play this game the more I enjoy it.

Really great. Totally enjoyable as a game with or without the porn.

It is just an interesting puzzle to sort out. Exploration and trial and error are fun and rewarding. Walk through is a disservice.

Plus there is the added bonus of being able to read all the hysterical complaints. This game is guaranteed to be a train wreck on F95zone. The complaining will be epic!

NTR. Check. - The anti NTR people are going to lose their shit!
Sandbox. Check. - This game couldn't even exist without this mechanic... still people will complain.
Game has interesting game mechanics. Check. - way too complicated for the adult VN audience
Game requires play. Check - pisses people off that want to press the "ejaculate now" button

Hopefully the game won't be destroyed by the endless complaining to come.
 

khumak

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Tired of the grind. can anyone please suggest how to persuade Diane?
If you mean the upgrade to her final AT, she needs to have relationship and lust high enough, Dad needs to be a career father, and then you need to ask her to the bar at 22:00. She'll turn you down. Then you need to check on her again at 23:00 and ask if she's ok. She'll ask if you still want to go to the bar. Then you need an aggressive topic to finish the process on the walk home. That initial refusal at 22:00 was throwing me off for awhile.
 

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>Brother Fucker.

>Flirts with the dad.

..... biatch I think you forgetting you a brother fucker not a father fucker, get your priorities straight.

Baal7734 joking aside, imo that scene is out of place on the brother fucker AT, should probably have a straight up slutty AT that has that scene on it, and not the one supposedly dedicated to brother fucking :|

Also gives off NTR vibes, since it can give the impression she is planning/trying to fuck the dad, whether MC likes it or not.
Which if such content is going to be added later on, I suggest having it with clear separation, i.e one clear AT path for only MC, and another clear AT path for the other (whether that be NTR, sharing etc.).
Hence the suggestion of moving that scene to a general slutty AT, instead of the one named "Brother Fucker" (also allows those who dislike such content to be able to easily avoid it like the plague, and less likely to run into issues of the genres clashing and such).

edit: just noticed, the way she acts in general, and that scene... kinda contradict this ban (cause well, she be slutty :| )
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Like tbh, the "brother fucker" AT comes across as more of a Slut AT than it does "Brother Fucker", given the scenes and context shown in it. (dressing slutty, the extra makeup, flirting with someone besides the brother (the dad) etc.).
Like I originally assumed she was dressing that way mainly for the brother, but because of that scene where she overtly flirts with the father (and not giving a shit about MC in doing so), changed the context to more general slut than just for the brother.
Although I may be reading too much into the AT name and it may supposed to be a general slut AT (if that is the case though... needs a better name, cause gives the wrong impression, if not the case and she is supposed to be dressing that way for the brother... then the flirting with dad scene really is out of place, since it changes the context)
A ban on slutty means she's not chasing after any ol dick. Only the ones that interest her. So what are her interests?




I'm pretty her interests includes incest. So...what's the issue?
 

bobdillan

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A ban on slutty means she's not chasing after any ol dick. Only the ones that interest her. So what are her interests?




I'm pretty her interests includes incest. So...what's the issue?
.... the name "Brother Fucker"... implies it is strictly directed towards the brother though :|

Also wouldn't the father count as any ol dick since she is in a relationship with the MC? and up until this point has really only been shown to have feelings for MC, so it kinda comes out of left field and is just random. (like suddenly don't care about MC as much as they claimed before?)

Cause logically ban on slutty would also mean ban on cheating/flirting with others (and going for the dad is well... that).

Just feels out of place on this specific AT, an AT that connects directly to "Brother Fucker" as a sort of branching path though, would imo work better and have a more natural flow. (and those who wouldn't want to know about it wouldn't be forced on the to go through that scene just to unlock the ability to fuck the sister).

Like that would work best with logical flow and a sort of branch because of "Creeper", where you can then branch off "Brother Fucker" into two main ATs, one to be a MC only type of thing completely (i.e. le vanilla or w/e), and then a more open does whatever the fuck she feels like and is more perverse AT. In which you would have that scene, and possibly more.

But for the whole vanilla route type thing (if you want to call it that), i.e. the sole MC only content, scenes like that should be avoidable because it doesn't match the route that is being followed.

To put it more simply, story so far: Sister is obsessed with brother, holds back on fucking, finally starts fucking MC.... suddenly does massive 180 and is now flirty with the father and borderline outright saying she wants to fuck him, with 0 foreshadowing or build up (or choice :| ). The story is her solely focused on MC, but suddenly lost interest at the climax... which is supposed to be the point where she is most into MC, pointed out by the name "Brother Fucker".

If it is supposed to be the start for the father, to which you response seems to imply, then it really shouldn't be named "Brother Fucker" since the brother isn't the sole focus of that AT despite the name outright stating as much.

So I kinda went and said basically the same thing, two different ways... soooo pick whichever way you prefer and run with that one XS

TLDNR: flirting with the dad and implying they want to fuck him, is still flirtying with someone else while currently with someone which is a slutty action, which is currently banned. (and the whole "brother fucker" with the brother in the name thing).

Bonus edit (another way to put it :S ): Just sticks out of place, and kinda ruins the flow of what is currently supposedly going on, causing confusion as to what the story now is, like isn't it supposed to be "brother fucker" with the two getting closer? no her going off and fucking someone else? Like it doesn't matter if it is the dad or not, the flow up til this point was the two of them, and this is supposed to be the climactic part of that story, but suddenly is derailed for the father to get his dick in instead. the flow so far in the game with the story is slow progression with steps each change of AT, but with the dad it skips an AT and suddenly jumps into a AT that is a different route. The scene feels and plays like it is from a completely different AT, just previously it was them trying not to get caught being too close when the dad walks passed, and now she is borderline jumping his bones?

To add insult to injury the scene is also in place where previously you could have a sexual interaction with the sister, so now it is also like you are getting cockblocked and starting to get cucked while in the "Brother fucker" AT... which is the last impression an AT with that name should be giving.

O something I forgot to specific on this "Only the ones that interest her. So what are her interests?", being promiscuous is still being slutty, more than one dick still counts under slutty :| especially if up to that point they themselves have been emphasizing being with that singular person so much.
 
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khumak

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Has anyone figured out how to progress with Jesse? Before the patch I used to sometimes see her in the park but couldn't talk to her. After the patch I never see her there. I can sometimes find her at Charlie's house but she always says something like move along and I get a message that says I either don't have enough submission or dominance (I forget which). I've tried it with the max dominance lifestyle as well as the max submission lifestyle and I get that message with both. I've also tried having submission or dominance topics ready but that doesn't seem to make any difference either.

I have Charlie's AT maxed as well as Dianne, Gina, and Dad. Still working on Becky, getting to 100 followers is taking awhile.
 

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Cheats for v0.06.01 Public (windows x64)
unzip in "Loser_Data\Managed"

F1 to lock focus/health/stamina/arousal at max

F2 add 10k cash
F3 add one level to the main skills
F4 add 50 exp to all secondary skill

(test and let me know ^-^)
Unfortunately, your cheat just made me realize my fn button doesn't work, so the cheat is unable to be used.
 

Mistress_Kixen

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Cheats for v0.06.01 Public (windows x64)
unzip in "Loser_Data\Managed"

F1 to lock focus/health/stamina/arousal at max

F2 add 10k cash
F3 add one level to the main skills
F4 add 50 exp to all secondary skill

(test and let me know ^-^)
Tried it doesn't work for me sadly.
 
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I can't figure out how to progress Jesse. Even with the one hint that Baal gave to get her started (which I never would have found without that) I just got stuck again immediately.

It feels like you need a psychic link directly to the developers brain to progress this storyarc. The one thing I guess I haven;t tried is just grinding her dominance down to -100, but the dominance lowering effect isn't triggering in conversation topics. You can only get the -2 each time you fuck her mom without cumming. Grinding the sex minigame 5 times to get to -10 was already excessive.
 
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