MrD812

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What you consider to be a problem, I think is the best feature of this game. The unique game mechanics and corruption of characters via dialogues. Yes, the game is grindy but I do not want another visual novel where you sit and simply click the mouse.
He's not wrong no matter how much You or ANYONE else disagree or dislike his example illustrated.
There could be a more concise, comprehensible guide/WT and tutorial then what has been presented.
People need assistance AND it's not advisable directing them to this thread to be bashed by anyone here.
 
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xeph555

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I would add, having some kind of wiki ingame to at least know where to find a topic once you find it would be nice to have. I can't always remember where to find everything unless I keep a sheet where I write everything down. That's why a mod/cheat can come in handy when I'm losing hours of my life to try to find 1 thing instead of enjoying the game. Same goes for the grinding.
At the moment I can't even find where to buy
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MrD812

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I would add, having some kind of wiki ingame to at least know where to find a topic once you find it would be nice to have. I can't always remember where to find everything unless I keep a sheet where I write everything down. That's why a mod/cheat can come in handy when I'm losing hours of my life to try to find 1 thing instead of enjoying the game. Same goes for the grinding.
At the moment I can't even find where to buy
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Exactly, well said Sir!! (y)
 

Mikey_Boy101

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I would add, having some kind of wiki ingame to at least know where to find a topic once you find it would be nice to have. I can't always remember where to find everything unless I keep a sheet where I write everything down. That's why a mod/cheat can come in handy when I'm losing hours of my life to try to find 1 thing instead of enjoying the game. Same goes for the grinding.
At the moment I can't even find where to buy
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I can help you with that. You have to embrace Unhealthy and then you can buy a bulk of either Reds, Blues, and Pinks from Lisa. Just don’t forget to break them down to get individual pills.
 

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At the moment I can't even find where to buy
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Acquired from Lisa.
Make sure You have the skill set via the phone-profile to the 'unhealthy' attribute.
When mine was set to healthy, could not gain the option to buy drugs from her.
 

xeph555

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That's what I was saying earlier, I didn't see anywhere that tells you to do that or help in any way. Some kind of wiki would help not having to ask everyone or go to a forum to have fun.
 

MrD812

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That's what I was saying earlier, I didn't see anywhere that tells you to do that or help in any way. Some kind of wiki would help not having to ask everyone or go to a forum to have fun.
I hear ya, here's a screenshot.
Hope it's helpful.

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MrD812

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I know that lol What I'm saying is finding things in this game can be tedious so unless you have some sort of wiki or cheats it can be unplayable/not fun.
Agreed but, hang in there.
Personally, i don't envy the task of writing up a more concise guide.
Gotta be taxing to write one AND the tutorial WHILE developing the game.

Hell Of A Task INDEED!!
 

Mikey_Boy101

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I know that lol What I'm saying is finding things in this game can be tedious so unless you have some sort of wiki or cheats it can be unplayable/not fun.
Well this game is all about exploring not being handed everything down to you. No one told me where they were. When these Lifestyles were added to the game, I thought to myself why would I embrace these negative lifestyles? So I read up on the skill to so see what I get for Embracing Unhealthy and saw that at level 3, pills were unlocked. I looked it the bathroom first to see if they might be there and when I didn’t find them I thought maybe Lisa sells them.

Also there is a wikia but I don’t know who runs it or if you could add changes to it yourself.
 

Urruah

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I don't feel the game is too complicated, but I do feel like it would probably benefit from some better explanations in game to make it play more naturally. Like a small playable tutorial section where you do an action, get a topic, the game shows you how to put them on your bar, and then tells you to use them on, say, Charlie. Then the game has you do a transition and you get a make out scene or something. Bam, tutorial over, now go play the game for real.
 

MrD812

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I don't feel the game is too complicated, but I do feel like it would probably benefit from some better explanations in game to make it play more naturally. Like a small playable tutorial section where you do an action, get a topic, the game shows you how to put them on your bar, and then tells you to use them on, say, Charlie. Then the game has you do a transition and you get a make out scene or something. Bam, tutorial over, now go play the game for real.
Complicated to a degree it is---> without proper guidance.
That's the whole case and point in a nutshell.
 

Strec

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Well this game is all about exploring not being handed everything down to you. No one told me where they were. When these Lifestyles were added to the game, I thought to myself why would I embrace these negative lifestyles? So I read up on the skill to so see what I get for Embracing Unhealthy and saw that at level 3, pills were unlocked. I looked it the bathroom first to see if they might be there and when I didn’t find them I thought maybe Lisa sells them.

Also there is a wikia but I don’t know who runs it or if you could add changes to it yourself.
The problem is not here, not knowing things at start is interesting, exploring to discover things is interesting.

In many games, the problem is that there are a lot of things to discover and, once discovered you must note the yourself in a sheet or a paper like you did in the old dungeons in the 90's years (Haaaa, Ultima 2 and Dungeon master and the pencil to make your maps :rolleyes: )...

On the 21th century it's not normal to not have in-game a support remembering what you discovered.
 

Mikey_Boy101

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The problem is not here, not knowing things at start is interesting, exploring to discover things is interesting.

In many games, the problem is that there are a lot of things to discover and, once discovered you must note the yourself in a sheet or a paper like you did in the old dungeons in the 90's years (Haaaa, Ultima 2 and Dungeon master and the pencil to make your maps :rolleyes: )...

On the 21th century it's not normal to not have in-game a support remembering what you discovered.
You are right about that. All of these games nowadays hold your hand to much which I really dislike. Loser is a breath of fresh air that I have been waiting for and hopefully we will see more games like it in the future.
 

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Gina's image was annoying me and finally activated grind patience skill.
So I've played Gina's route till the end of her ATs, and Diana's part till "Restrained Mother" AT.

What can I say.

Yes, grind is a little boring, but bearable once you know the drill. Interface, grind options and mechanics need serious improvement, but overally it's nothing I cannot surpass.
My disappointment comes mostly from several things.
- Topics. No sorting, very little storage cap. With items things are better, but not very much. Needs massive improvement, one of main things which disgust players.
- More options for interactions, and lower cost of those.
Not only sexual ones, but casual events and actions too.
Exceptional and particular disapprove for sexual actions which massively consume relationship for no reason. Like, Gina at "Brother Crusher" AT demands 30/40 opinion for hand/blowjob. LMAO! XD
- Not that good money earning options, so it's a grindfest at some point for Gina's next AT. That can be improved with more jobs and working ladder/improve in payment.
- I know there is a tutorial (not covering much, but at least basics), but goddamnit, give some hints of what are my current options with gurls! I mean, it's interesting to find out new scenes spontaneously, but only if you manage to find them! If not, it's a grindfest (you still need to do daily routines) for no particular reason. Like that party thing, which I've discovered by mere chance and still not sure how exactly. XD Good work hiding content from players, I agree, you do not see this often in this type of games which should aim for the opposite. )

Also, Gina example is very sad and disappointing.
The higher is her AT in sexual direction, the heavier makeup and more clothers she wears. Thus, instead of showing more skin and affection, she just dresses more and gets herself the face which makes her look older->uglier. Exceptionally appealing and arousing... :FacePalm:
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The funniest thing is, I think there is no point to dig deep into the AT depths, I'd stick to Gina's "Cool Sis" and Diana's "Restrained mom". Why? Well, for non-consential actions ofc. XD Like, those are exactly what we need - a pretty nice variety of sexual actions with no particular vital resource usage. ) It's questionable from the point of morality, but I doubt anybody really cares. )

Those some of conclusions from game experience, like, it's not that bad of how it looks from the start (still pretty crude and sharp on edges), but could be much more enjoyable with not that much of changes for game progress, reasonable grind routes and variable interaction schedule. You can actually reach for tasty parts, yes, but I'd like the process to be at least more enjoyable (with flirts, flashings, teasing and whatever imagination and experience can offer ^^).
 
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Argrond

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Once you get several sources of those (not really that difficult when you know how this works) they are not a problem at all.
Just for note, I'm all for less grind, so I'd rather that need decrease. )
 

memelman

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I don't think the tutorial is bad. I think it adequately explains the core gameplay. And that is no easy task since it is all fairly unique, which is one of the better things about this game.

There is definitely still room for improvement though. I think the biggest failing of the tutorial is that it doesn't explain and emphasize your main gameplay goals well enough.

Going through the tutorial I did learn how conversations worked to increase interest in a topic, and how topics could allow you to change ATs, but I didn't really have a particularly firm grasp on why I would want to do those things.

It probably took about an hour or so for it to click that the way to progress through the game was a linear path of AT progression. Before that I just kind of wandered around trying different buttons to try to trigger events and to try to raise lust/interest. I think that probably was due to my expectations from other sandbox porn games where that is how you advance the game.

And it didn't help that when I checked out the available ATs in the in game character screen I saw that there was only 1 for each character and none of those ATs seemed like they were bringing me any closer to sexy events with them. But once I went ahead and tried getting a character to change their AT was when it started clicking.

And based on what people have said in this thread I think a lot of people have a similar experience where it takes a while for it to click where they start understand what you are actually trying to do in the game.

I think the tutorial emphasizing that the point of the game is to advance through a series of linear ATs to eventually reach the sexy events, and mentioning it repeatedly to make sure it drives the point home, might help it to click a little faster for most people.

Reinforcing that point in the UI and gameplay might help as well. Currently, the available ATs are placed at the bottom of the character screen while stuff like the character's interest and lust are placed at the very top. That could lead a person to naturally think the most important aspect of that character is what their lust and interest are, when really it is what AT they are on.

Moving the possible ATs to a more prominent place in the UI towards the top, and having some way for the UI to indicate that there are additional ATs you will be able to progress through in a linear fashion might also help make that point more clear.
 

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Moral topic sourses? New patch raise a need in some
Anyplace one of the women is sleeping or passed out. You've either got a choice of 'sleep sex' (Immoral) or don't (Moral).
First instance is Gina's first AT. Fri and Sat at 2400 watch TV in living room.
Guys, how to get topic with tag "massage"?
Research on PC is first place to find it.
 
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