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There is also animation, lighting, post work, coding, proofing, marketing, creating custom environments, custom textures, custom shaders, custom morphs in zbrush, finding the proper assets, looking for music, editing music, video editing, the list goes on. I don't just drop crap in the game and click a button. I try to make sure everything looks good on every single shot. Sure, some devs will just throw shit together quick but some of us actually try to make a quality product. That takes time.
Oh shit. I feel you, dude. Even though I can't support you financially, I would be glad to and will try to get over with this at least here if I can. Just take your time and try to relax and recover. Mental issues are hard to deal with, and I hope you'll manage to soon.
- Feb 17, 2018
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The endless (and often fruitless) attempt to explain the creative drive versus the monetary drive.
Many developers out there are invested in their games emotionally. Yes, the "category" is adult games, but that doesn't mean a developer has to automatically jettison creativity, imagination and commitment to quality.
There are also some developers who prefer to focus on generating a consistent cash flow without delving too far down the "thinking" path. Their games can run the gamut from entertaining to drek, but still manage to grab some support.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the second group (provided they don't claim to be of the first group). Some of those may indeed have "big ideas" but are looking to grab some funding first.
Devs like Philly and Veq went in head and feet first. Sometimes, they survive the venture (as Philly narrowly did) and sometimes the venture chews them up. And sometimes, the venture is left an innocent victim of the undeniable fact that most developers have regular lives which do not specifically revolve around the game creation.
And, if those developers are like most of us, their lives will have times where it all goes sideways.
I am saddened and excited by Veq's news. The sad part is obvious and well expressed here already. I am excited, though, that he is taking steps to understand and, hopefully, address his real life problems. He has stated the game (and all its crazy problems) still makes him happy to work on. That's great. I look forward to his return.
In the meantime, the invasion of the radioactive alien petunias is, thankfully, temporarily held back. The earth is given a reprieve. But who knows how long Veq can restrain that creative backlash. Sooner or later, the real origins of the Barons will come out. Not vampires. Not sylvan creatures from before time. Petunias. Radioactive alien ones.
Just wait.
Many developers out there are invested in their games emotionally. Yes, the "category" is adult games, but that doesn't mean a developer has to automatically jettison creativity, imagination and commitment to quality.
There are also some developers who prefer to focus on generating a consistent cash flow without delving too far down the "thinking" path. Their games can run the gamut from entertaining to drek, but still manage to grab some support.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the second group (provided they don't claim to be of the first group). Some of those may indeed have "big ideas" but are looking to grab some funding first.
Devs like Philly and Veq went in head and feet first. Sometimes, they survive the venture (as Philly narrowly did) and sometimes the venture chews them up. And sometimes, the venture is left an innocent victim of the undeniable fact that most developers have regular lives which do not specifically revolve around the game creation.
And, if those developers are like most of us, their lives will have times where it all goes sideways.
I am saddened and excited by Veq's news. The sad part is obvious and well expressed here already. I am excited, though, that he is taking steps to understand and, hopefully, address his real life problems. He has stated the game (and all its crazy problems) still makes him happy to work on. That's great. I look forward to his return.
In the meantime, the invasion of the radioactive alien petunias is, thankfully, temporarily held back. The earth is given a reprieve. But who knows how long Veq can restrain that creative backlash. Sooner or later, the real origins of the Barons will come out. Not vampires. Not sylvan creatures from before time. Petunias. Radioactive alien ones.
Just wait.
- Oct 13, 2016
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its not the first time and surely not the last that a dev is having irl issues.
because its common, as it happens once in a while, the history is not a happy reading. sure, if you are not a patron you are not losing your investment, but it will not cause you to gain more trust either.
and you wonder, is that a common feature for game developer?
i have been around for many years, without taking a single penny, with a full time job and surely, i have a life too with issues from time to time, who doesnt?
no, devs need to take a moment before starting a patron, make sure you are up for it, because its not just you anymore, you have supporters, that have jobs and spend money on you.
because its common, as it happens once in a while, the history is not a happy reading. sure, if you are not a patron you are not losing your investment, but it will not cause you to gain more trust either.
and you wonder, is that a common feature for game developer?
i have been around for many years, without taking a single penny, with a full time job and surely, i have a life too with issues from time to time, who doesnt?
no, devs need to take a moment before starting a patron, make sure you are up for it, because its not just you anymore, you have supporters, that have jobs and spend money on you.
Oh god yes. I have started checking windows update before I go to bed now to make sure there is no update or tell it to delay the restart for a time.
@LucienK DA was at least 2 thousand hours if not more. Doing this stuff at a good quality like veq was doing takes time. A lot of time. You can forget luxuries like netflix, movies, video games, hanging out with friends and such because the time is not there.
- Oct 29, 2017
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His first responsibility is to his own well-being, look at the state of the world we live in where people who are going through a ton of stuff are working themselves deeper into depression and suicide instead of doing what veq did. He saw the problem, he is taking time off to deal with his life, to deal with everything else outside of the game. I'm sure most people would rather have Veq alive than being another statistic. Show some humanity, the guy is having a hard time, he doesn't need you to kick him while he''s down with accusations.
- Feb 17, 2018
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Why bother responding to someone who clearly is either (a) trolling or (b) has no interest in anything other than his own world view?
Yes, while continuing to take money for nothing, he does not forget. You guys are so naive. I really do not like this trend, shameful for the whole industry. Some developers abandon their game barely starting, but but don't talk about it, keep silent and continue to take money.
Well, I finished the discussion, sorry if my words insulted someone, but I am sure of one thing: I am telling the truth. Unpleasant, but true. You are too trusting.
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WARNING
Guys, we all should be know how this end if continues like that. Please stop now
Guys, we all should be know how this end if continues like that. Please stop now
- Feb 7, 2019
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Hi, I appreciate your concern for those of us who are "too trusting". I understand there have been some developers who have acted in a shady manner before on this site, but I don't believe you're right in this case.
Making VNs as an indie creator is not really a job. It is a time-sink, and money-sink. The creators here are sustained mostly by their passion.
In this case, the creator didn't keep silent. They made a post to alert to all patrons that LaS is going on hold for the time being. We all are within our rights to withdraw our monthly donations, or to continue them for our own private reasons.
Lastly, if you actually want to apologize, please don't frame it in the manner of "I'm sorry that my words insulted/offended you, I'm just telling the truth". If you want to be sincere, just tell us your concerns and experiences with dishonest devs, and I'm sure we can make up our own minds.
- Oct 5, 2018
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As true as this is, you're also assuming that everyone can self-rationalize and empathize and actually care about both. As you can see above there's such a glittering examples of this...
In general, if you guys believe that Veq is milking it or not, you're more welcome to share that opinion as long as you show your opinion in a constructive way and not think that your opinion is the only one that matters/trying to ram that opinion down everyone's throat so the mods don't have to come here and nuke the thread yet again. So let's stay friendly guys and hope Veq sorts himself out so he can get back to finishing LaS
Really lame. I understand that health and wellness comes first, but I was really hoping for better. Can't say I'm surprised, longer and longer for each update with less and less changes. I wish vequil the best! I hope you come back and finish your game. It had a lot of promise. Although updates will need a very serious change of pace to get my support back. Best of luck!
It's a bit embarrassing about Dev's 6 reasons.
1: Work ??? WTF He has 620 patreons ... and (money) for 30 days of work or something ... What's the logic. I do not write how much I earn because I do not know.
2: LaS 0.8 was tested for a month ... And what did not issue because I have problems since version 0.4 if I remember correctly. Well, a cooment for people who think that it is for private case.
3: I understand the problems, but that's all. Understand the disease I understand the death of a loved one, I do not penetrate but ordinary problems? Realy
4: Of course, now a bit of logic with version 0.7 550 renderings for 5 months of work?!? as most people know what's going on. I will not write anymore but I'm sure what's going on. Jak większość Dev nawet w prawdziwych grach 3D ( Fallout, Bf, Call of Duty Itp) Most know what is wrong.
5: Family Friends for PATREON !!! WHAT? Whoever does this does not make sense. Unless I read something wrong. ($)
6: Positive and negative words. From what's on his page Patreon and Discord Up to 99.9% positive, guess what about the negative words. : D DOES NOT HAVE ANY MALE WHO CAN NOT BE A RELATIONSHIP.I am now waiting for your points to defend him? because now I do not see such a stature.
Ps: I do not insult or write about you or about any other time.
1: Work ??? WTF He has 620 patreons ... and (money) for 30 days of work or something ... What's the logic. I do not write how much I earn because I do not know.
2: LaS 0.8 was tested for a month ... And what did not issue because I have problems since version 0.4 if I remember correctly. Well, a cooment for people who think that it is for private case.
3: I understand the problems, but that's all. Understand the disease I understand the death of a loved one, I do not penetrate but ordinary problems? Realy
4: Of course, now a bit of logic with version 0.7
550 renderings for 5 months of work?!? as most people know what's going on. I will not write anymore but I'm sure what's going on. Jak większość Dev nawet w prawdziwych grach 3D ( Fallout, Bf, Call of Duty Itp) Most know what is wrong.5: Family Friends for PATREON !!! WHAT? Whoever does this does not make sense. Unless I read something wrong. ($)
6: Positive and negative words. From what's on his page Patreon and Discord Up to 99.9% positive, guess what about the negative words. : D DOES NOT HAVE ANY MALE WHO CAN NOT BE A RELATIONSHIP.I am now waiting for your points to defend him? because now I do not see such a stature.
Ps: I do not insult or write about you or about any other time.
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That may be true, but what you never mentioned is that people paid money for 3 months and were told that the game was in 'testing' phase, which undoubtedly got them excited. Then, a month and a half later (which brings the total to 5 months without an update) he turns around and says the game is on hold. It's all good saying 'withdraw your donation', but people spent their hard earned money and got nothing out of it.
He might not have kept completely silent but he never gave as many updates as someone making that amount of money should. It was clear months ago that he had stopped working on the game. I'm not trying to attack Veq in any way. I've been here since the start of the game and wish him all the best with his personal life, just saying he handled it pretty poorly.
It mainly seems to be non-patrons that are annoyed, which I don't understand. It's just a porn game after all.