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VN Ren'Py Abandoned Love and Submission [v0.08] [veqvil]

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Animations are not necessary at all. I don't play this game or any of the games I follow for the animations. I'm looking for a good story with interesting characters and well made "hot" women. If there are animations and they don't delay updates then that is a bonus. Just like sound or music is a bonus but I don't need it at all.


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Please, NOT. The animations are the cancer for these games, they take a lot of time and delaying the updates for months and the result is just a few seconds of animation. We had before an update for 1.5/2 months, now an update for 4/5 months at least. It's frustrating for the dev because it takes a lot of time to advance the plot with just 4 updates in a year, and it's frustrating for us, because we have to wait for months for the same content with just a few seconds of animation. In games where the plot is weak I can understand it because is focusing on the porn side, but in games like this where the plot is the most important, an animation add little value.
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-Hex- said:
Agree, animations are nice but feasible only if you have some serious hardware for your renders, otherwise they just take too much time
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Ayhsel said:
+1 to not animations

Or as I said about this topic in Where it all began: they can be a great plus ONCE the game is finished. A lovely justification to replay the game with a greater quality. Until them, not worth it.
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MrFriendly said:
Animations are not necessary at all. I don't play this game or any of the games I follow for the animations. I'm looking for a good story with interesting characters and well made "hot" women. If there are animations and they don't delay updates then that is a bonus. Just like sound or music is a bonus but I don't need it at all.
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I cannot agree about music though. Music is very powerful to set the mood. The more of an emotional rollercoaster a story is, the stronger the emphasis on music in my opinion. And not just for drama. Action, suspense, comedy, romantic. Pretty much every setting can be empowered by good music.

Avalon is a wonderful example of that. Take the music away, and the scenes don't have the same impact at all.
 
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Ayhsel said:
I cannot agree about music though. Music is very powerful to set the mood. The more of an emotional rollercoaster a story is, the stronger the emphasis on music in my opinion. And not just for drama. Action, suspense, comedy, romantic. Pretty much every setting can be empowered by good music.

Avalon is a wonderful example of that. Take the music away, and the scenes don't have the same impact at all.
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Eh, I mute all sound. Not needed at all for me to become emotionally invested in a well written character or scene.

And I am not an Avalon fan at all so I wouldn't know.
 
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MrFriendly said:
Eh, I mute all sound. Not needed at all for me to become emotionally invested in a well written character or scene.

And I am not an Avalon fan at all so I wouldn't know.
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Well, of course you can always claim they are not NECESSARY. In the limit, a book is just a visual novel with no choices, images, animation, sound or any other media besides the text. And a good book story can be amazing and take you to heaven and hell.

But I always viewed Visual Novels as the perfect evolution of books, taking the best from any other media and encompass it to tell a beautiful story with a greater impact.

And while animations for me can almost always be taken out without any difference in the impact a story generates, music is extremely powerful in my opinion. It really touch something in my subconscience.

For example, something a visual novel can do that a book can't is just put an image and the right music and you can totally understand what is going on. Sometimes two characters saying nothing to each other (no text) but the right music totally conveys they are feeling angry, happy, sad, in love.

Of course, I am not trying to convince you, just mentioning why for me music is important. I really wished that for any animation devs do, they would actually take time to set the right music for the scenes. I am absolutely certain, the overall effect would be huge.
 
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Ayhsel said:
Well, of course you can always claim they are not NECESSARY. In the limit, a book is just a visual novel with no choices, images, animation, sound or any other media besides the text. And a good book story can be amazing and take you to heaven and hell.

But I always view Visual Novels as the perfect evolution of books, taking the best from any other media and encompass it to tell a beautiful story with a greater impact.

And while animations for me can almost always be taken out without any difference in the impact a story generates, music are extremely powerful in my opinion. Music really touch something in my subconscience.

For example, something a visual novel can do that a book can't is just put an image and the right music and you can totally understand what is going on. Sometimes two characters saying nothing to each other (no text) but the right music totally conveys they are feeling angry, happy, sad, in love.

Of course, I am not trying to convince you, just mentioning why for me music is important. I really wished that for any animation devs do, they would actually take time to set the right music for the scenes. I am absolutely certain, the overall effect would be huge.
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Most music I've heard in VNs is cheap, repetitive, and doesn't help the game at all. There are a couple that I will actually listen to but most are unnecessary for the enjoyment of the VN. Obviously we all have differing opinions on the necessity of various elements.

Well done animations that aren't just a few seconds looped over and over could add to the experience but most developers don't have the time/budget for them. Even then I don't need them to enjoy the game. If anything poorly done animations can be a negative instead of a positive.
 
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MrFriendly said:
Most music I've heard in VNs is cheap, repetitive, and doesn't help the game at all. There are a couple that I will actually listen to but most are unnecessary for the enjoyment of the VN. Obviously we all have differing opinions on the necessity of various elements.

Well done animations that aren't just a few seconds looped over and over could add to the experience but most developers don't have the time/budget for them. Even then I don't need them to enjoy the game. If anything poorly done animations can be a negative instead of a positive.
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Well yes, anything done wrong can be a total disaster. And very few VN here even have music, let alone, be done right. Pity you don't like Avalon, that is the best example of music done right I can think out of my head here.

And I agree that well done animation can be an improvement. Ocean did an amazing job with the update, quality was higher than many professional video games. I just don't think their cost justify their benefits, almost every time. While I think that if done correctly, choosing the right songs (I am not asking them to made them, just use songs that are copyright free even) totally justify the cost (my guess of course, I am not a dev so I cannot honestly tell, but as an amateur musician I can at least tell which music could go for each scene)

But let's stop. We said what was needed.
 
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It's hard to agree with the sentiment animations are unnecessary or only justifiable after the game's complete. Especially the latter, as most devs prob don't have the time to revisit past creations to repopulate a game with pretty animations in an attempt to shoe-horn in some replay value for a story the player has already experienced. Not to mention the animations can no longer be truly enjoyed at face value anymore, imo. Seems like a waste of time, both for the players and more so the creator.

About them being necessary or not, there's prob more of a grey line on this stance, but there's clearly a market for them as many of the games that are regarded highly offer them in abundance. I doubt that's a coincidence. It just feels like natural escalation where there's another element to these games being offered that aids in elevating the material (much like well placed music... I agree on that one), and people are drawn to it. A more complete product, I guess. And considering well-rounded games like Broken Dreamers and Timestamps offer a release cadence of about 2.5/3 months per update, there's plenty to suggest a nice balance can be found between the time it takes to create them vs a healthy amount of content being provided. I think this is ultimately what Veq is aiming for.

I'm just trying to say Veq has that eye for detail when it comes to providing worthwhile animations, and I'd like to see what he's capable of before we deem them being a nuisance to this game's development.
 
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sUreNdeeR said:
This is just my opinion but i agree. I don't care about music in VNs at all. I always listen spotify when i play. And what about animations? I don't really care those as well. If VN has (good) animations, of course it's good but not mandatory. I really hope devs won't use too much time and resources to music or animations. Just make good story, interesting characters and quality pictures and i am all in.
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Yeah, I will watch tv in the background, listen to spotify, sometimes even podcasts while I play these games. I am here mostly for story and not for the fap material (there are better sites for that). I like these games for the relationships and well thought out plots/stories. I don't need the animations because I'd rather the developer focus on a coherent and intriguing story. Animations rarely are worth the time that is required to make them truly great.
 
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i want to know what is mean red pills and blue pills ? what happen if i take one ?
 
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