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LOL, i think lord game should add text to explain to us what is that pills for :v
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I think it's just an easter egg referencing to the Matrix
Er, you play erotic games for the plot/story, not for the fapping material...?
That's like watching porn for the acting, not for the, well, porn.
And as good plot, you consider a story where mother and son french kiss for no apparant reason, as you do, a couple of days after the aforementioned son has come home from a two year stint abroad?*
No wonder this "erotic" game is two and a half years and eight chapters in the making and still no sex. Which is sad, because the game has potential.
* which is ok in porn-land, because fetishes, but if I read anything like that in a real novel, I would put the novel away immediately and never look back.
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First you are confusing erotic with porn. Something can be erotic without being pornographic. Second, yes, there can be amazing plot in erotic games. In fact, given that they need not censor themselves avoiding specific themes you can potentially tell stories you could not in rated games.Er, you play erotic games for the plot/story, not for the fapping material...?
That's like watching porn for the acting, not for the, well, porn.
Finally, they need not be one or the other. There can be amazing stories that also allow you to fap. The Deluca Family has not sex for now, but the story regarding the teasing with one of the characters was hotter than most full intercourse scenes in most other games. Why? because it made sense given the story. You could cut the sexual tension between the characters with a knife, thing that was possible as the story allowed it and generated it.
Well to be honest I don't care a shit about the sister and mother. I am willing to give the ex girlfriend the benefit of doubt, as there was almost no content for her. But I am truly here in this story for the Barons. And I agree with you that scene is a silly.
Regardless though, a bad scene or subplot (precisely what I hate about sister and mother is that they love MC without MC even lifting a finger) need not render a whole story bad.
First is and year and half as it was abandoned for one year because of dev reasons. Second, so what? I rather they get there at the right pace, enjoying the trip instead of rushing to get to the sex and then start ridiculous plots to try to keep the reader interested, assuming you know, all you care is about the sex.
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I made an analogy, i didn't say it was the exact same thing. Also, the difference isn't that huge. Pornography is a kind of erotica.
In theory, yes, in practise, no, imho. The best plots I've seen in erotic games have been decent, but not more than that. If I think of the best stories I've ever read, watched and listened to, none of them have come from the realm of erotica.
And now we get into another topic, the gaming quality of erotic games. Which, in my opinion, tend to be even worse than the story/plot. There is no erotic game that I would have spent any time playing had it not been for the erotic component. Which is of course not more than can be expected from happy amateurs working out of their basements (or their equivalent).
As for telling stories about taboo subjects, there are plenty of formats where you can do that, without having to resort to the world of erotic games.
There obviously needs to be a tag for abstinence porn, so that those of us who don't fancy playing hours upon hours of erotic games containing not even trace amounts of sex, can avoid these titles like the plague.
Good for you. I guess the idea of not being able to have sex with people (because it kills them) would be up your ally. Not just abstinence -forced abstinence!
Personally, I found the super power/mystery part of the story decent for a erotic game. How ever, my bullshit detector did have a spat over the personalities of the supposedly ancient neighbours. Both daughters are extremely childish considering their age. More effort could have been spent at making them deep and mysterious (but that is of course difficult when you yourself isn't an antediluvian).
I agree with that, but the story in this game isn't exactly a contender for the next nobel price in litterature.
You and I obviously have very different views on what "enjoying the trip" means. Also, regardles of how much time in development this game needs in order to get to the sexy part (assuming there ever will be any of that), the amount of time (roughly four hours) it took for me to play through it, is way too long for me to go without any sex in an erotic game.
But each to his own. We obviously just need a tag for abstinence porn and maybe also one for extreme slow burn, as I think present tags indicate that the dev want to include sex some day.
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It is actually quite huge. Pornographic are all about the act of sex. Erotic are more open and while sex is present it is not the core of the story. You can do an analogy, but your analogy is wrong as you said: "
Er, you play erotic games for the plot/story, not for the fapping material...?
That's like watching porn for the acting, not for the, well, porn.
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You are thinking that the two sets are comparable when they are not. In the first set, erotica, you have both the story plus the erotic content. When you consume that set you are consuming both items, so yes you can consume erotica just for one part. The other set, porn, has only one element, the erotic scenes. So yes, watching porn for the acting sounds silly. But the analogy is flawed, they are not comparable.
That is fine. You don't need to love them. But just because you don't like them does not mean anything more than for you that genre as a whole is not good.
You are missing the point. First it has nothing to do about overall quality, which is subjective. My point was objective: as erotica can touch subjects rated stories cannot, they have less restrictions. That implies that you CAN tell potentially better stories, as everything you could do in rated stories is still available and more.
Whether you like it or not, whether you think it is good or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you that your critique is flawed as yes, reading erotica for the story can make sense. The end result of what is accomplish is subjective and I will no debate it here.
And yes, there are other formats to touch taboo subjects. But they have some kind of constraint regarding age, which more taboo subjects generically having an higher age restriction. Why is sex (18+) higher than murder (17+) I will never know though.
A tag system cannot include everything, otherwise you end up having the whole dictionary and it renders the system useless. Besides, your comment of "hours upon hours" is also hard to understand. Are two hours enough? are four hours? I don't mind reading for several days without erotic action if the story is good. You seemed to say that 4 hours is too much. While this could be established upon the tag, usually is not necessary and you can just ask. But I guess that if enough people claim they need it could be included, who am I to judge?
You seem to be making assumptions about the reason why I liked them. You are mistaken. It's ok, we all make assumptions and it happens (you thought I was gonna go "are you making assumptions about my kinks?" kind of attitude, right? hahah don't worry I am not like that. Hopefully).Good for you. I guess the idea of not being able to have sex with people (because it kills them) would be up your ally. Not just abstinence -forced abstinence!
I find this contradictory. You claim your bullshit detector spat and that their personalities are childish and such and then you say that it makes sense as we would need to be antediluvian ourselves. Are you an antediluvian claiming to understand how immortals would behave? even more, as the standard social rules and dynamics of the immortal society in this game have not been established, how can you tell that their behavior is inconsistent with the plot?
I am not saying you need to like it. I am just saying that for now everything is unclear. Good practices would be to give it a benefit of doubt before claiming is done poorly, in my opinion.
Ok. That is fine. Again, the point I made does not apply only to Nobel Prize literatura, but ok. Sure.
Why? where does a rule in erotica says once you get to four hours you have to have sex? Again, you don't need to agree with me in what enjoying the trip is, but just because you dislike the trip does not mean that there is something wrong with it (neither that it is perfect, of course).
Of course, this is after all a site about hobbies and pleasure. To each their own is fine. That is the reason why I answer your previous message. You were doubting a person's activity by essentially saying their behavior is inconsistent/silly. I answered because, ok being honest because I am stucked in my work and cannot solve a fucking problem and needed a distraction, but regardless of that I answered as I share his views (I think) and I enjoyed adult visual novels for the story. Sex for me is just the strawberry on top of the ice cream, not the reason why I eat the ice cream but something I enjoy nonetheless.
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i love this game for the plot/story and not for the fap material.
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Wow! really! that is impressive! When I was 12 years old I could not code anything. Imagine the potential he will have as a dev if with only 12 years old he is making a game that most here like. When he develops his skills and have more experience is going to be fantastic. That makes me want to follow this game even more!
See what I did? If you are trying to discourage people, you did a terrible job. Not like people would have listened anyway, though.
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antoniomontenegro hasn't got a nice word to say about anyone. He also doesn't understand real-world problems.
He thinks porn developers are just creation machines that don't need food or sleep. He seems to believe they also are not as prone to mental breakdowns and problems as the rest of us.
Pure and utter trollage.
He thinks porn developers are just creation machines that don't need food or sleep. He seems to believe they also are not as prone to mental breakdowns and problems as the rest of us.
Pure and utter trollage.
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are you telling me that these games are not made by robots?
but look at those models, they are clearly not human. They've must have been hired by a computer to play their part in this porn movie...
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Maybe. But their dark master, veqvil, is most definitely not a robot. He merely commands them to do his nefarious bidding.are you telling me that these games are not made by robots?
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Hey me too!! I started reading them when I was a pre-teen and they helped me improve so much! It was totally a side product of my dirty desires as a horny boy, but hey, totally worth it and so happy they helped!
Truly an amazing excuse for underage kids to justify to their parents why they are consuming erotica. My family was aware and they actually liked how my english had improved so it was really a win win situation.
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I repeat: Pornography is a form of erotica. Erotica is simply literature and art meant to sexually arouse the reader/viewer. There are no rules to how a story has to be constructed in order to be classified as erotic (other than it is meant to sexually arouse). Look it up in a dictionary or google the definition of the word erotica if you don't believe me.
Just as there is nothing that says that an erotic story needs to have a story beyond the erotic content, there is also no rule that dictates that a pornographic story or piece of art cannot have a story beyond the erotic content. There are plenty of pornographic films and books which have just that (wether that story beyond the erotic content is good/qualitive is of course a completely different question).You can do an analogy, but your analogy is wrong as you said: "
Er, you play erotic games for the plot/story, not for the fapping material...?
That's like watching porn for the acting, not for the, well, porn.
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You are thinking that the two sets are comparable when they are not. In the first set, erotica, you have both the story plus the erotic content. When you consume that set you are consuming both items, so yes you can consume erotica just for one part. The other set, porn, has only one element, the erotic scenes. So yes, watching porn for the acting sounds silly. But the analogy is flawed, they are not comparable.
Again, imho in theory, yes, in practise, no. At an individual level, what is quality is of course subjective. At a collective level, not so much as individual preferences converge. There will always be outliers, yes, but that does not detract from the trends of what is considered high quality and what is considered low quality.
There is no rule that says a non erotic game can not contain certain subjects that only erotic games can contain. That mainstream game studios avoid, say, incestous love stories in their games is not because it is forbidden, but because the vast majority of gamers do not consider incestous love stories to be qualitative additions to their gaming experience. Quite the opposite.
For someone who will not debate it here, you seem to be debating quite vigorously...
Do you honestly think that there is an exception from laws and regulations when it comes to erotic games? Have you never noticed that only very, very few erotic games outright mention that a character which engages in sexual activities in the game is underage, despite many games taking place in high school or similar environments? There is a reason for that, and that reason is that underage erotica is criminalized in the US.
Where I'm from, there is no ban what so ever when it comes to the written word, so if you want to create erotic (pornographic!) stories with pedophillic content, you can go ahead and knock yourself out. How ever, visual depictions of underage children, including nudes with sexual characteristics, are criminalized, meaning visual novels or other games containing sex scenes including underage children are illegal in my home country (not the US).
No, but there is a tag for games not containing any sex already. We just need a tag for extreme slow burn.
I don't think there needs to be an exact time interval. The dev probably has an idea of where he/she want to take the story regardless.
That was more meant as a joke. Obviosly didn't land.
Let me break it down for you:
1. To construct a believable deep and mysterious character who is supposed to be a centuries old immortal is likely difficult when you yourself is lowly human who probably will not even live to be a hundred.
2. To construct a personality who is at least adult and mature (not like an immature teenager), should not be that difficult if you yourself is an mature adult.
Furthermore, regardless of what rules the imortals have in their own society, the neighbours do spend a lot of time in ordinary society and also have a vested interest in being able to blend in.
There is no such rule, but I think most players of erotic games want to get to the sex part sooner or later, exactly how long people are willing to play without any sex before they tire is certainly individual, but from reading reviews on this site, it's not an uncommon complaint that a game is very time consuming relative to its sexual content.
I'm not doubting anyones preferences, I'm pointing out that they seem contradictory and could have an adverse effect (for the vast majority of players who do want to have some sex in their erotic games) on game development if brought to the fore.
Also, you shouldn't have any trouble understanding my point as you agree on it when it comes to acting in porn (I promise you that if you comb through the entire world population, you *are* going to find people who enjoy porn for it's acting), our disagrement seem to lie in how qualitative we consider erotic games to be in areas such as story/plot and gaming.
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First thing first: sorry about the rambling. My bad. Still stucked in the same work problem.
Again, sorry about the rambling.
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For someone who will not debate it here, you seem to be debating quite vigorously...
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That was more meant as a joke. Obviosly didn't land.
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Again, sorry about the rambling.
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