VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[DeviantFun]

You think ?
I don't think so.
He's ok to share her , he suffers from that fact , he does it reluctantly , but he's ok to share her.
Or maybe the word "accepts" fits better ? i don't know i'm not a native english speaker so i don't know the nuance between words.

Now it is clearer, yes he accepts it because he fears that if he does not go along with her demands she will leave him again.

This is true.

 

[daimadochi]

Same thing about just after the BDSM thing , maybe lover means something different or more nuanced than what i thought ?
I mean my comprehension of english is pretty basic so maybe that's the problem ?
When you read that part in game (the lover thing) what do you think about that ?

 

[DeviantFun]

Same thing about just after the BDSM thing , maybe lover means something different or more nuanced than what i thought ?
I mean my comprehension of english is pretty basic so maybe that's the problem ?
When you read that part in game (the lover thing) what do you think about that ?

From what is said from the rest of the material, the girls ASSUME master dickweed is a great lover, probably coming from how he manhandled and subjugated them.

It does NOT mean he did anything penetrative or sexual directly on their genitals.
He "only" degraded them, dominated them, put them on "sex machines" (I would say props or apparatuses but a native english speaker will help us here), stimulated erogenous zones (tits and ass we are sure of, others could be involved) with paddles and other instruments.

The phrase (the lover thing as you say) was left there so the author could create confusion and misunderstanding in the reader, for mystery.

I hope this is clear, english as it might be painstakingly obvious is not my first language as well.

 

[Lady Lydia]

You are missing the point about monsters, you are missing the point about Mia cheering for sexual assaults, you are missing the point about Mia trying to break their marriage (twice as you also forgot about Mia original plan), you miss the point of MC actually saying that their relationship is colder (skip to them agreeing to the deed through Lacey) and more.

In fact you missed so much that you forgot that MC actually, during one of his half breakdowns, blames her and wonders to whom he should direct his anger (ending up as usual, towards himself).

I do not judge by my perspective, but from the actual dialogues shown, word for word.
Stop with this nonsense about me injecting my wordview, when I do that I strongly underline it in my posts, the rest comes directly from the dialogues.

How boring that I have to have this on repeat, if I ever had to self insert in this novel, which I avoid anyway, it would be on Lacey'd side, surely not MC.

Oh and if you do not see Mia actions as evil during college more kudos to you, but you realized what was Mia's driving force during that time, right?
Explained in act 2 intro to KW and act 3 during the preparation of the painting.
Heck you can read a ccouple of passages in act 1 that actually underline what she has done as very wrong.

But I guess the material really does not mean much, right?

Alright, first point, you are saying that Mia cheered for Lacey's sexual assault, well its a perspective alright because at no point I remember anyone in the game using those terms, so its entirely possible the MC doesn't see it this way, again if Lacey hasn't blamed or kicked out Mia from her life, what the fuck do you think it means from the MC's perspective? That it must not have been that bad.

About trying to break their marriage, he confronted her about it it, and it was resolved. If you think about the videos or Kelly, at this point he is over the first and he like Kelly so its not like he'd blame Mia for bringing her into their lives. Sure he might have some left over resentment, but nothing making a huge fuss over for him.

Now you say the MC during a partial breakdown blame Mia, yea during a partial breakdown, not normally, so obviously you can't expect that to stick outside of those circumstances. You do realize their are times people think differently under various strains you can't expect what he think when half-crazed to stick around when he isn't.

You keep using the excuse 'it comes from the game' without accounting if its information known to the MC or only to Lacey & Mia, and what exactly he was told about it. The problem is you are big on speaking the truth from a perspective that isn't always possessed by the MC, but by other characters, or interpretation of your own.

If I say 'a girl has sex with a boy' and if I say 'a girl has sex with a underage boy' both are the truth, but one has implications the other doesn't. Do the MC is aware of everything that happened in College, or does he know only a limited amount that Mia & Lacey told him? Is it clearly stated he was told all the details you know about what happened? Or does he merely has a vague idea outside those images of what happened?

 

[daimadochi]

Yes , to fit what all of the girls says about that event , appart for the lover thing wich is very confusing to me ,it's pretty obvious that it should be as you said.
Just in my country (france) lover or amoureux is really , well something else than just manhandling or subjugating , i mean really really different if you know what i mean.
That's why it's confusing.

 

[Lady Lydia]

Yes , to fit what all of the girls says about that event , appart for the lover thing wich is very confusing to me ,it's pretty obvious that it should be as you said.
Just in my country (france) lover or amoureux is really , well something else than just manhandling or subjugating , i mean really really different if you know what i mean.
That's why it's confusing.

Oh no even in English using the term 'lover' will typically relate to sex. Not to merely manhandling or subjugating. Its a pretty wild notion for them to supposedly theorize he'd be a good lover from him just manhandling or subjugating them. Maybe however its meant to relate to the notion he knew how to push their buttons so to speak, so they assume he'd be great at sexually stimulating people, which would be more along the definition of 'lover'.

 

[Lady Lydia]

Yo, hold up, buddy. So, about this poll you're bringing up... does that actually mean the Professor is currently grinding away on a new update for this game? That's wild

No the poll state holidays, I doubt the holidays already started for many.

 

[Lestrouduc]

Yes , to fit what all of the girls says about that event , appart for the lover thing wich is very confusing to me ,it's pretty obvious that it should be as you said.
Just in my country (france) lover or amoureux is really , well something else than just manhandling or subjugating , i mean really really different if you know what i mean.
That's why it's confusing.

So Greetings from another Frenchman

 

[monkeyqueen]

I mean for what I assume would be the Romeo & Juliette ending, a bad ending, I assume the MC will decide to leave Lacey but without a replacement for her he'll just be miserable and jump off the Cliff, at which point when Lacey will hear about it she'll go there too and jump off too, but as bad as that sound, death is pretty final, so its not worst than the above. I assume you get this one if the MC refuse every relationships with other women.

Bad / Tragic ending" While I'm glad that lydia has adopted my language of Romeo and Juliet ending I'm sticking with my original theory. They will die in a final sex scene that is just like the sex scene at the end of act 1. He strangles her to death and then jumps off the cliff. The MC never confronts the fact that he (not his wife) is his own worst enemy and he consumed by jealousy because it vindicates his anger and he just enjoys abusing her.

MC will choke harder and harder while he rants about how she cucked him once again. She will smile. He will go too far and break her neck and say "how could I do this"? I'm not like this?! And then make his way to the cliff.

Neutral ending: MC leaves Lacey, Lacey goes to Isaac. Kelly and MC marry and MC makes Kelly into a reflection of Lacey.


Why?

Kelly only feels whole when is with her work husband, MC is starting to show Kelly a peek of the blinding rage that drives him.

Isaac is trying to become more like the MC's (false) persona - generous, patient and self sacrificing.

And we have foreshadowing - Isaac dresses up his conquests in Lacey wigs. Lacey mentions the movie Single White Female.

(those who say the prof doesn't use foreshadowing are mistaken)

Neither MC makes any progress in their mental health journey but are stuck with less destructive copies of their former lovers

 

[Cenc]

They will die in a final sex scene that is just like the sex scene at the end of act 1. He strangles her to death and then jumps off the cliff.

Indeed, Chekov's gun cliff has yet to really go off....

Personally I believe the really tragic will probably be more akin to Romeo and Juliette, a case of death by mistake - it's almost poetic -.-

 

[DeviantFun]

I remember there was a discussion about MC having PTSD or not.

My personal speculation is that at the beginning, MC current mental health status was not planned as such, and it is still my belief that the codependancy part was heavily inspired by our local mental health expert posts here.

I think that MC having PTSD has one pretty damning heavy piece of evidence:

 

[monkeyqueen]

I remember there was a discussion about MC having PTSD or not.

My personal speculation is that at the beginning, MC current mental health status was not planned as such, and it is still my belief that the codependancy part was heavily inspired by our local mental health expert posts here.

I think that MC having PTSD has one pretty damning heavy piece of evidence:

I think co dependency is a core theme of the story. But I also think you are right that PTSD will come into effect. It's weird that we know so much about Lacey's childhood that we do about the MC's does Gristle have a mother and father? Probably not because he never calls them so how did he lose them?

Here's a very dark theory. This is an NTR story - how did a kid figure out the sexual abuse angle? Perhaps he actually saw the abuse take place and was traumatized by that

 

[JarrenBlake]

I think co dependency is a core theme of the story. But I also think you are right that PTSD will come into effect. It's weird that we know so much about Lacey's childhood that we do about the MC's does Gristle have a mother and father? Probably not because he never calls them so how did he lose them?

Here's a very dark theory. This is an NTR story - how did a kid figure out the sexual abuse angle? Perhaps he actually saw the abuse take place and was traumatized by that

That is indeed a dark take.

My own thoughts are that the MCs parents are likely just somewhat negligent and they do not have a close relationship (If still alive). Could indeed be that he was raised in the state/foster system as well. Rather than having seen it, we do know that he observed the after effects and planned out his life and behaviors around such with his rules. Making him a secondary victim to Lacy's parental abuse and not just an outside observer.

 

[AL.d]

I remember there was a discussion about MC having PTSD or not.

My personal speculation is that at the beginning, MC current mental health status was not planned as such, and it is still my belief that the codependancy part was heavily inspired by our local mental health expert posts here.

I think that MC having PTSD has one pretty damning heavy piece of evidence:
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Maybe he picked it up from here but if he did, it's a wonder he managed to nail it right from the start, without knowing of it. It was my immediate thought as early as the intro flashbacks (and since that's the PC, I wasn't too happy about that). Codependency is very common in toxic relationships. All he'd have to do is just a very basic look into trainwreck relationships and the first terms he'd come across, would probably be codependency, narcissism and maybe issues with BPD partners.

PTSD especially combined with heavy depression, can have dissociative episodes with brief delusions. So it fits what's shown without going into more rare/unlikely conditions.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Read dev's comments about forced scenes and how we have to accept it because MC...loves these two. I'm not even going to comment on their side of "love". I've already said how this dude's pathetic ultra simp behavior, combined with constant trauma dumps regarding another woman, would be a repellent for 99% of women. And somehow he is surrounded by the 1%.

What confuses me is his side of that supposed love and where is it in the game? I can understand Anna, we never see it being developed in the game but we can assume it did during college. And now that he has OK from his mistress, he can act on it.

But with Mia? When, where and how? Like 90% of their one on one interactions are about Lacey. Was that one date, where she talks about her past, and a goodnight (optional) bj all it takes? When did that love develop from his side? During the first cuck lesson? The second? Maybe the third? Or when he was trying to stop her from offering a bag of drugs to his addict wife? Their one on one scenes are almost exclusively about Lacey drama. If anything, most of the scenes where she does something endearing and protective, he is either not present, or not paying attention to her. I guess it follows the standard harem recipe, where characters have a couple interactions with each other and then proclaim eternal love. So we can move on to next pokemon.

Personally, I'd rather see the endings referred to by letters, numbers, or some descriptor ("Harem", etc.). "Good" vs. "horrible" in this story is very subjective and what is "good" for one reader may not be good for another. I get the feeling the endings the author describes as "good" won't be very satisfying for me as the reader.

I don't see a lot of love in this story, either. Loving moments? Sure but no character has shown what I would call consistency with respect to that.

I don't recall much character growth, for that matter. Character changes? Sure. But a series of events showing progress for a player? Not so much.

Maybe that's my true source of frustration with this story (?). No actual direction to any of the major characters; just a Bruce Willis movie-like series of disasters one after the other...

I've never been an author. But it's my understanding that one of the tools authors use is a storyboard supported by timelines to show where the story is headed and to provide road signs, if you will, to help keep the author on the correct path to the ending. I get the feeling this developer doesn't use one and is instead building his aircraft in flight. Perhaps we'll get some clarity about this in the next Act but I feel as if I say that at the end of each Act...

 

[monkeyqueen]

I get the feeling this developer doesn't use one and is instead building his aircraft in flight. Perhaps we'll get some clarity about this in the next Act but I feel as if I say that at the end of each Act...

Why do people keep saying this? The monster was foreshadowed in act 1. Like a mystery novel the author has given clues that could point to different figures. Barty's plan and role hasn't changed since act 1 . . .

I mean the foreshadowing is subtle but it's there. For example - the monster calls the MC the glue that holds the group together and then the linchpin. Christine uses the same metaphor to describe his role in the group.

Abby declares that her intention is tear down the MC. So what happens when everything becomes unglued? Maybe it wasn't a great idea to hack away the linchpin while the trailer was being towed?

That's Act 2 foreshadowing Act 3 and 4

 

[cormac69]

I found another typo. I seriously hope the dev follows this thread. lol
This should be Kelly saying this not Lacey. Cheers!

 

[DeviantFun]

I found another typo. I seriously hope the dev follows this thread. lol
This should be Kelly saying this not Lacey. Cheers! View attachment 5524878 View attachment 5524881

Did you try the patched version?

 

[KseiPo]

It's weird that we know so much about Lacey's childhood that we do about the MC's does Gristle have a mother and father? Probably not because he never calls them so how did he lose them?

My own thoughts are that the MCs parents are likely just somewhat negligent and they do not have a close relationship (If still alive). Could indeed be that he was raised in the state/foster system as well. Rather than having seen it, we do know that he observed the after effects and planned out his life and behaviors around such with his rules. Making him a secondary victim to Lacy's parental abuse and not just an outside observer.

It is mentioned at least twice during the story, that MC's father is in the military and serves in Stuttgart (Germany). And mother is also there with him. At least this is the current state at the moment of the story. Where they were when MC was a child - this is not known.

 

[funnythings3785]

You do know 'conditioning' is from a narrative perspective its what we call character development, do you think you are who you are nowadays without having been conditioned heavily to become it? You are conditioned by your parents to think some way, conditioned by your peers to think some way, conditioned by your education to think some way, conditioned by your entertainment to think some way, conditioned by the media to think some way, conditioned by the government to think some way, etc... and that include being conditioned by your partner to behave in a way which is more appreciable for them, if you think otherwise you are naive, you are fundamentally conditioned against your will by so many different forces in the world to be what you are now, and if you think all those forces do it in support of your current leanings, nope, if you think they do it for your benefice, nope.

The point is you see any changes to the character personality induced by anyone else as 'conditioning' well yea but if you think its abnormal you have lived in a cave for a very long time. Its how society has and will always work at anywhere from the micro level to macro level. Its life as a human being. Sure every now and then a change is born out of self reflection, but that is a minority of the changes someone undergoes in their life, the majority are induced by external forces.

You can complain about this, but what are you doing in real life? Have you taken to activism to change the world? Or do you just either accept or escape reality in fiction? Their is a reason the world is shit, because 99% of the population have been conditioned to ignore the fundamental issues that afflict society, so they just stand by as everything goes to Hell. If you expect fictional stories to be any different you ignore the fact that all fictions are based to some degree in reality.

Anyhow if at the end the MC agree of his own free will to be in a NTS relationship with Lacey, because thru this story his mindset on the subject has been changed, well it is what it is, its character growth, just not in the direction you like it. And before you think I am a fan of NTS, I am not, I am not arguing all of this because the idea of the MC & Lacey being in a NTS relationship makes me wet, it doesn't, I am for effectively in for a harem ending, aka 'big family', you can say it doesn't match the MC & Lacey's personality, but it doesn't really matter when their mindset on things have been changing all along the story, Hell Lacey is just about there in Act 3, after hearing Veronica talk about wanting a big family, she seem to like this idea, so she obviously is getting there, the MC will probably be there by the end of Act 4 after having a major mental breakdown as we can expect at this point for him to have.

As they say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions and its quite possible that by Act 5 the two of them will have progressed from being willing to go for a 'big family' to being able to accept the idea of each others fucking other people, allowing for NTS to be justifiable within the story.

Look if you go in any stories with the notion that the characters are going to remain static from start to the end, well you missed the point of having a story. If you say its some fundamental aspect of them, sure maybe at the start, and its why they are undergoing significant emotional upheavels, as a force that cause a change in their personality, you ignore all those stories where the character start one way and end the opposite way by the end, its very common for the coward or shy to become brave its a very typical idea. Do you think this happen just because of the character having self reflection? Or because the narrative force the MC to face a reality they aren't able to handle and which they are driven by external forces to change to be able to deal with?

Now don't worry if you are incapable of handling anything except pure vanilla, you'll probably get something passable as an ending and you'll be able to ignore everything else, an ending which ignore much of the story's character development and try to revert everything back to a shadow of what it was at the start, likely with neither characters quite satisfied because the narrative will have changed them to not quite fit that mold anymore.

I think AL.d summed up my point on this pretty clearly. A sound mind, one that has its own ability to discern, evaluate, and make decisions under normal circumstances isn't "conditioned" (in the sense that we are discussing here) they are offered an alternate view to which they can choose.

I won't get into all the numerous "conditioning" you mentioned because I think you are lumping them all together without respect to their situation, circumstance, and individual responsibility.

As it concerns the story, as AL.d pointed out, the MC is not in a state to "evaluate" such things under normal circumstances. They are driven by mental issues that essentially FORCE him to concede to the demands. Whether it is intentional and knowing, is up for debate, but Lacey IS abusing the MC in this manner.

This is NOT ok, this is pure abuse, pure psychological manipulation taking advantage of the MCs state. Anything Lacey "achieves" while convincing him to go against his initial reactions is... detrimental to him and honestly... this is where I come out with my mean "Pull out the woodchipper" comments. Anyone who would take advantage of another in such a mental state as this... deserves it.

As I said, the MC does not want this, does not seek this, rallies against it, makes it quite clear this is not what he approves of... so if by continued "pounding" this "conditioning" into him, a continued manipulation of his mental state (ie fear of losing Lacey) is used to achieve this, seriously... there is not a death gruesome enough IMO for someone that would do such.